Global Warming - IS IT JUST ME?
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I wouldn't worry about global warming. What about the Earth's natural cycles of 'wobbles'? one of which is inevitable within the next few thousand years.
This is what causes the ice ages and there will be more to follow. When the ice here is a mile thick, the memory of global warming will be a thing of the past.
Grouch.
>> Edited by groucho on Saturday 6th November 09:15
This is what causes the ice ages and there will be more to follow. When the ice here is a mile thick, the memory of global warming will be a thing of the past.
Grouch.
>> Edited by groucho on Saturday 6th November 09:15
ed arent we 
I guess so. I know the Sun is more active now than 100 years ago and maybe the sun might blow up and like you said we are all FUBAR.
I cant help but think of this "If your not part of the solution your part of the problem"
Not saying we are just maybe there is more we can do. I mean the U.S will be soon running the world so why not use the U.K brains and come up with something to help us out.
I cant help but think of this "If your not part of the solution your part of the problem"
Not saying we are just maybe there is more we can do. I mean the U.S will be soon running the world so why not use the U.K brains and come up with something to help us out.
Global warming is a myth (when used in conjunction with greenie lies). How about the melting of the Arctic ice?? the lying greenswine say that it will flood Europe....has no one told them that melting sea ice DECREASES the volume, thus sea levels will FALL!!!!!You can prove this yourself with your own freezer!
Just another twisting of physics just to "prove" some lies, by envious lazy good-for-nothing sandal-wearing lentil-munching yoghurt-knitting liberal-socialist greenslime!
Time we sent all those lazy twats to a work camp to build roads for fast cars, that we (working people) can afford and they can't!!!!
Just another twisting of physics just to "prove" some lies, by envious lazy good-for-nothing sandal-wearing lentil-munching yoghurt-knitting liberal-socialist greenslime!
Time we sent all those lazy twats to a work camp to build roads for fast cars, that we (working people) can afford and they can't!!!!
JMGS4 said:
Global warming is a myth (when used in conjunction with greenie lies). How about the melting of the Arctic ice?? the lying greenswine say that it will flood Europe....has no one told them that melting sea ice DECREASES the volume, thus sea levels will FALL!!!!!You can prove this yourself with your own freezer!
It's the melting of the Greenland icecap that will increase the sea levels because the ice there is currently on land. The same is true of much of Antartica I guess.
To be honest I've been reading a little about the subject.
I am very worried by Global Warming.
Why?
Because whilst its terribly PC to bang on about it we are taking our eyes of the ball and not dealing with issues that are far more important!
Its like sodding fox-hunting. The country and its political resources are wasting man years and man years on something trivial instead of getting on with dealing with real issues like the Iraq, homelessness, immigration and so on.
PC/greenie views may actually be damaging to the environment! Look at how huge hydro-electric dam projects swallow up millions of hectares of irreplacable natural habitats - whole species will be lost along with their potential for scientific exploitation. Biodiversity is important for nature - its also important for US! Vaccines, medecines and so on.
I haven't fully formed my views on this yet. But I am worried that in our rush to deal with "Global Warming" we will do something worse!
I am very worried by Global Warming.
Why?
Because whilst its terribly PC to bang on about it we are taking our eyes of the ball and not dealing with issues that are far more important!
Its like sodding fox-hunting. The country and its political resources are wasting man years and man years on something trivial instead of getting on with dealing with real issues like the Iraq, homelessness, immigration and so on.
PC/greenie views may actually be damaging to the environment! Look at how huge hydro-electric dam projects swallow up millions of hectares of irreplacable natural habitats - whole species will be lost along with their potential for scientific exploitation. Biodiversity is important for nature - its also important for US! Vaccines, medecines and so on.
I haven't fully formed my views on this yet. But I am worried that in our rush to deal with "Global Warming" we will do something worse!
gopher said:
I thought the real issue with sea levels is the increase of volume due to expansion as it gets warmer?
The volume of H2O INCREASES as it freezes because it takes on another physical state.
That's why if you don't put anti freeze in your car, it will burst the radiator core or pop a hose when it freezes overnight.
Water behaves like any other compound i.e. it becomes more dense the colder it gets. However when water becomes solid the weak hydrogen bonds which loosely bond the slight negative charge on the oxygen to the slight positive charge on the hydrogen (called delta minus and delta plus) have enough of an influence to arrange the water molecules into a lattice with each molecule a set distance apart. This distance is greater than when in liquid form hence solid water expands and is less dense. If it wasn't for the hydrogen bonds water would be gaseous at 20 degrees C and we wouldn't be too fussed about global warming..... 
btw water is at its greatest density at 4 degrees C. So IF the water temp rises it WILL expand.
btw water is at its greatest density at 4 degrees C. So IF the water temp rises it WILL expand.
Well I am not so sure. Seems to be a lot of armchair scientists around here.
There has been decades of research into climate patterns and complex modelling of changes in the past. Many people have literally made it their lifes work.
The overwhelming body of opinion says that climate change is real. Not politicians, no quango,s but proper science. And the scientists who support the theories outnumber those that disagree by a massive factor.
There remains dispute over the causes of it, but there is no doubt that it exists.
This is all pretty academic anyway, because whatever we think the fact remains that governments across the world and of different political colours are moving to do something about it.
So its real. Whatever we might think.
There has been decades of research into climate patterns and complex modelling of changes in the past. Many people have literally made it their lifes work.
The overwhelming body of opinion says that climate change is real. Not politicians, no quango,s but proper science. And the scientists who support the theories outnumber those that disagree by a massive factor.
There remains dispute over the causes of it, but there is no doubt that it exists.
This is all pretty academic anyway, because whatever we think the fact remains that governments across the world and of different political colours are moving to do something about it.
So its real. Whatever we might think.
I can't pursuade myself that the emissions from internal combustion engines have a significant effect on global temperatures. No doubt they do have some effect but from what I've seen it is negligeable compared to the other natural factors and other man-made factors. It is natural that global temperatures will vary significantly over time and there is evidence that global temperatures have changed significantly in the past over relatively short time scales (decades/centuries). Clearly it is only a matter of time until this happens again. I suspect that it is already happening, based on the fact that the 'atlantic conveyer' ocean current seems to be shutting down due, apparently, to large amounts of fresh water from melted ice caps being introduced at a critical point. The world as we know it isn't particularly stable. Do we have the capability to prevent these natural variations? Somehow I doubt it, even if we could agree that it was necessary. One thing's for sure: if we put a significant effort into 'fixing' something that isn't really causing the problem, we will be in far worse shape to tackle the real problem once we know what it is.
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