Ling Long Winter tyres, any good ?
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Anyone have experience of these ?
http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/ling-long/gr...
The label suggests they are as good as anything else (It's the wet rating on winter tyres that concerns me the most).
http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/ling-long/gr...
The label suggests they are as good as anything else (It's the wet rating on winter tyres that concerns me the most).
Someone will be along soon to ridicule them because of their name. Someone else will say 'tyres are the only thing keeping you on the road, don't scrimp on them'.
Someone else will say the ECE ratings are nonsense because the manufacturers themselves put the rating on them, or they are done under unrealistic conditions that do not match the real world.
I think you probably know yourself that these will be better than 3 year old summer tyres that are a hair's-width above the legal limit when the really bad weather comes along.
Also, Linglong's Greenmax range seem to be performing well in tyre tests - certainly up there with some of the better known mid-line brands.
Someone else will say the ECE ratings are nonsense because the manufacturers themselves put the rating on them, or they are done under unrealistic conditions that do not match the real world.
I think you probably know yourself that these will be better than 3 year old summer tyres that are a hair's-width above the legal limit when the really bad weather comes along.
Also, Linglong's Greenmax range seem to be performing well in tyre tests - certainly up there with some of the better known mid-line brands.
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 26th November 09:46
Just buy them and if you crash and explode then let us know so we can avoid them
If it was me then it would depend on the car and use as much as anything else. For a cheap little Fiat Panda to take shopping and leave at the pub then they would be just fine, for a GTR doing 20,000 miles a year across Europe's best roads then maybe not so much.
If it was me then it would depend on the car and use as much as anything else. For a cheap little Fiat Panda to take shopping and leave at the pub then they would be just fine, for a GTR doing 20,000 miles a year across Europe's best roads then maybe not so much.
5 quid a tyre more for these:
http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/goodyear/ult...
How is it possibly worth the saving?
http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/goodyear/ult...
How is it possibly worth the saving?
You may get an answer here http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Fox- said:
5 quid a tyre more for these:
http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/goodyear/ult...
How is it possibly worth the saving?
Goodyear have rated the tyre as an E for wet grip. Much of winter is wet......http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/goodyear/ult...
How is it possibly worth the saving?
TheAngryDog said:
Goodyear have rated the tyre as an E for wet grip. Much of winter is wet......
Yea, I wouldn't pay much attention to the EU tyre label. That Goodyear will be better all round than the Linglong. Winter tyres typically do quite poorly in the EU wet ratings anyway so I wouldn't be picking a tyre based on those useless stickers.If wet performance is your primary concern you'd probably be better off with a tyre with proven wet credentials - though they are hard to find in smaller sizes and tend only to be available in larger sizes (Tyres like the Eagle F1 Asymmetric or Continental SportContact 5P).
Fox- said:
TheAngryDog said:
Goodyear have rated the tyre as an E for wet grip. Much of winter is wet......
Yea, I wouldn't pay much attention to the EU tyre label. That Goodyear will be better all round than the Linglong. Winter tyres typically do quite poorly in the EU wet ratings anyway so I wouldn't be picking a tyre based on those useless stickers.If wet performance is your primary concern you'd probably be better off with a tyre with proven wet credentials - though they are hard to find in smaller sizes and tend only to be available in larger sizes (Tyres like the Eagle F1 Asymmetric or Continental SportContact 5P).
'Linglong must be better than Goodyear because the label says so'
Here's what I predict. The tyres will perform similarly in snow; making a snow tyre isn't difficult. The Goodyears will out-perform the Linglongs in the wet due to better tread design, construction and the compound used. They'll also feel a hundred times better subjectively for these reasons. In the dry the Linglongs will be comical, the wear rate will probably be astonishing and the car will feel like it's on half inflated tyres, they'll also make a bloody racket. The Goodyears will feel a bit stodgy when pressing on but virtually indistinguishable from a summer with gentle driving.
I am not a tyre snob, I just do not believe that a Linglong is going to perform as well as a Goodyear just because the manufacturer self-assessed label rating says so.
Someone please tell me I'm wrong if they have tried both.
ETA: Oh and another thing; for the purposes of the EU label, 'D' rating does not exist. This is for some stupid reason that I'm yet to comprehend, but supposedly it is intended to 'draw a distinct line between a good tyre and a bad one'. What it actually does is cause two tyres which have performed quite similarly in a given test to be seperated misleadingly by two ratings, in this case 'C' and 'E'.
ETA: ETA: If 'wet performance is your priority', why are you looking at full winters anyway? There are good affordable all-season options available;
http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/kleber/quadr...
Edited by BritishRacinGrin on Wednesday 26th November 01:48
BritishRacinGrin said:
'Linglong must be better than Goodyear because the label says so'
Here's what I predict. The tyres will perform similarly in snow; making a snow tyre isn't difficult. The Goodyears will out-perform the Linglongs in the wet due to better tread design, construction and the compound used. They'll also feel a hundred times better subjectively for these reasons. In the dry the Linglongs will be comical, the wear rate will probably be astonishing and the car will feel like it's on half inflated tyres, they'll also make a bloody racket. The Goodyears will feel a bit stodgy when pressing on but virtually indistinguishable from a summer with gentle driving.
I am not a tyre snob, I just do not believe that a Linglong is going to perform as well as a Goodyear just because the manufacturer self-assessed label rating says so.
Someone please tell me I'm wrong if they have tried both.
ETA: Oh and another thing; for the purposes of the EU label, 'D' rating does not exist. This is for some stupid reason that I'm yet to comprehend, but supposedly it is intended to 'draw a distinct line between a good tyre and a bad one'. What it actually does is cause two tyres which have performed quite similarly in a given test to be seperated misleadingly by two ratings, in this case 'C' and 'E'.
ETA: ETA: If 'wet performance is your priority', why are you looking at full winters anyway? There are good affordable all-season options available;
http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/kleber/quadr...
Edited by BritishRacinGrin on Wednesday 26th November 01:48
Re your wet performance comment, as Winter inherently is more wet than snowy, would you not want your winter tyres to give good grip in the wet, as well as performing their duties in more wintry conditions?
Alright TAD I won't disagree with any of that, I just wanted to get that in to point out the flaws in the label and back up those who are saying "Spend an extra fiver and get a tyre which is an order of magnitude better".
Regarding your last comment, The Kleber Quadraxers I linked will perform better in the wet than the vast majority of winter tyres, much better in the warm and dry too, whilst retaining snow and ice performance which is much better than any summer and probably not far off a bad winter tyre. All this and they're barely any more expensive than the Linglongs. It seems a better compromise for the OP who wants wet grip.
Regarding your last comment, The Kleber Quadraxers I linked will perform better in the wet than the vast majority of winter tyres, much better in the warm and dry too, whilst retaining snow and ice performance which is much better than any summer and probably not far off a bad winter tyre. All this and they're barely any more expensive than the Linglongs. It seems a better compromise for the OP who wants wet grip.
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