Koenigsegg World Record, or not?
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So, what about this then ...
Koenigsegg CCR breaks the World Record
and
Koenigsegg Site
So, if the 9ff didn't beat the F1's record, did this?
Let the debate commence ...
>>> Edited by Joe911 on Wednesday 2nd March 08:29
Koenigsegg CCR breaks the World Record
and
Koenigsegg Site
So, if the 9ff didn't beat the F1's record, did this?
Let the debate commence ...
>>> Edited by Joe911 on Wednesday 2nd March 08:29
The 9ff wasn't a production car, its a Porsche which is fettled by a tunning company with which they broke the record. The Koenigsegg is a production car, from a large scale company - i.e. you buy the car in record breaking trim from the outset...
If I remember correctly there was some talk that the F1 didn't actually hold the record as they removed the rev-limiter on the car which did the high speed run... I wonder if they had to tape the windows down on the new Koenigsegg tho
If I remember correctly there was some talk that the F1 didn't actually hold the record as they removed the rev-limiter on the car which did the high speed run... I wonder if they had to tape the windows down on the new Koenigsegg tho
Yes, all that debate has raged before - it seems to all revolve around what one considers to be a "production car".
The issue here, I guess, will be -how standard was the car CCR that did this "record" - from the press release it seems clear that it was 100% standard. I wonder if, over time, that will be proved correct. I am not accusing anyone of cheating - it's just that some people have a strange idea of what "completely standard" means - e.g. is it acceptable to tape up the doors, or remove the door mirrors, or raise the rev. limiter, or whatever.
The issue here, I guess, will be -how standard was the car CCR that did this "record" - from the press release it seems clear that it was 100% standard. I wonder if, over time, that will be proved correct. I am not accusing anyone of cheating - it's just that some people have a strange idea of what "completely standard" means - e.g. is it acceptable to tape up the doors, or remove the door mirrors, or raise the rev. limiter, or whatever.
1. Koenigsegg CCR 388 km/h
2. McLaren F1 372 km/h
3. Ferrari Enzo 355 km/h
4. Porsche Carrera GT 334 km/h
4. McLaren Mercedes SLR 334 km/h
5. Lamborghini Murcielago 330 km/h
When this record thingy would be a hint to boost sales, I'll have the Macca thank you . . .
Second hand off curse . . .
Awesome, and where will it end . . . wonder who of you did more than a 300 kmh on a road.
2. McLaren F1 372 km/h
3. Ferrari Enzo 355 km/h
4. Porsche Carrera GT 334 km/h
4. McLaren Mercedes SLR 334 km/h
5. Lamborghini Murcielago 330 km/h
When this record thingy would be a hint to boost sales, I'll have the Macca thank you . . .
Second hand off curse . . .
Awesome, and where will it end . . . wonder who of you did more than a 300 kmh on a road.
Seems to be completely standard from the press-release, which in my eyes means that Koenigsegg now have the record.
I've adored the CC8 and now CCR since it was introduced. The first car since the Macca that had a no-holds barred philosophy behind it.
Sure the McLaren will always be the King for holding the record for so long, but the Koenigsegg has to take the title.
I've adored the CC8 and now CCR since it was introduced. The first car since the Macca that had a no-holds barred philosophy behind it.
Sure the McLaren will always be the King for holding the record for so long, but the Koenigsegg has to take the title.
I guess Koeing had to get the record officially before Bugatti's Veyron steals it in a few months time!
I must confess too traveling on the Queens Highway a couple of years ago, at around 5:30am on a cool summer morning, flat out on my GSX-R750 Suzuki. Published top speed said to be 178MPH. 8 KPH short of that magic 300KPH! Gonna need to get a faster bike!
And some good life insurance and lawyer!
>> Edited by D4V KC on Wednesday 2nd March 12:49
I must confess too traveling on the Queens Highway a couple of years ago, at around 5:30am on a cool summer morning, flat out on my GSX-R750 Suzuki. Published top speed said to be 178MPH. 8 KPH short of that magic 300KPH! Gonna need to get a faster bike!
And some good life insurance and lawyer!
>> Edited by D4V KC on Wednesday 2nd March 12:49
dinkel said:
Awesome, and where will it end . . . wonder who of you did more than a 300 kmh on a road.
Over what distance were these speeds obtained, the Macca took 5miles to reach its Topspeed. These records are pointless unless at the same venue.
Better test is in a set distance say the 1.7 mile straight at Bruntingthorpe. The Macca did 211 there before it was shortened (2.1miles). The world record breaking Ultima (0-100-0) managed 204 in the 1.7miles.
In comparison a AM Vanquish chugged up to 175.
I would love to have 5 miles to see how fast mine would go. It was second fastest at Brunters last year @ 201.8mph.
Rod
ps. Macca for me every time.
Gazboy said:
Agree, otherwise wouldn't Calloway and Jun Auto's be fighting for the top spot with 251mph and 247mph respectively?
Exactly. 9ff beat the McLaren's speed with a modified car... people have done it before. It was just evo making it into a story. It's a fine achievement, but no record.
The CCR is a production car, like any of us could buy tomorrow, thus its a new record.
all imho
Until it is confirmed by Guiness World Records, it hasn't done anything. However with 806 bhp it bloody should be faster!
Taping of shutlines and vents and raising rev limits is standard practice when record breaking and I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case (it was when the F1 took the record). However, removal of wing mirrors, a la 9ff, stops the car being road legal and is therefore a bit cheeky.
I'm sure it'll do Koenigsegg the world of good publicity-wise. Not sure how much merit top speed has these days though.
Incidently, does selling 16 cars make Koenigsegg a large manufacturer?
Taping of shutlines and vents and raising rev limits is standard practice when record breaking and I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case (it was when the F1 took the record). However, removal of wing mirrors, a la 9ff, stops the car being road legal and is therefore a bit cheeky.
I'm sure it'll do Koenigsegg the world of good publicity-wise. Not sure how much merit top speed has these days though.
Incidently, does selling 16 cars make Koenigsegg a large manufacturer?
Frik said:
Not sure how much merit top speed has these days though.
In the real world, for the majority of owners, it won't make a difference.... however... in terms of bragging rights and 'pub chat', top speed means a lot. I would think the super-rich would buy one simply to add to their fleet as its the world's fastest... alongside the Macca, Enzo and Zonda.
rico said:Granted there is that. What I mean to say is that before the F1, a top speed record was obligatory for every new supercar. However it moved the game (and record) on so far that beating it's Vmax became extremely difficult.
In the real world, for the majority of owners, it won't make a difference.... however... in terms of bragging rights and 'pub chat', top speed means a lot. I would think the super-rich would buy one simply to add to their fleet as its the world's fastest... alongside the Macca, Enzo and Zonda.
These other "supercar engineers" realised their time would be better spent elsewhere and didn't bother to go chasing it (although I'm sure it irks the Enzo's engineers just a tiny bit that the ultimate Ferrari ever created is 24 mph slower than a 10 year old McLaren!).
Now that the CCR has come along and broken the record, it's all a bit "That's nice dear". You need so much horsepower and so little drag that everything else gets a little compromised on route.
I get the feeling that there is a part of Gordon Murray that regrets carrying out the run at Ehra-Lessien and indeed releasing what happened at Nardo during development. At least then people might remember what the F1 achieved apart from the lead-weight-around-it's-neck that is the World Production Car Speed Record.
Yeah I read the interview where Gordon lamented that everyone focussed on the F1s top speed. To be honest he ought to be a lot more greatful, I doubt many would still talk about that car now if it hadn't done that run. It cemented its whole mystique and encouraged people to learn more about it.
What about road legal car (regardless of tuning package), top speed? I mean dont get me wrong, but we all know very well how cheeky these 'small' manufacturers can be by putting out a 'special' version of their production versions...
I'd like to see 'joe bloggs' with a production mclaren on the salt plains over in the US of A, thats where many past ground speeds have been broken, would give a fairer reading...
I think road-legal is what they should say, because this 'production' thing is complete crap, everyone knows that the 'press cars' are always a little special, now you can imagine what they would send out for 'record breaking attempts'...
anyone remember the Clarkson Cerbera race video a few years back... 
I'd like to see 'joe bloggs' with a production mclaren on the salt plains over in the US of A, thats where many past ground speeds have been broken, would give a fairer reading...
I think road-legal is what they should say, because this 'production' thing is complete crap, everyone knows that the 'press cars' are always a little special, now you can imagine what they would send out for 'record breaking attempts'...
anyone remember the Clarkson Cerbera race video a few years back... 
? Lets just hope Bugatti get their Veyron ready soon. That will settle 0-100, 0-200 0-100-0 mph records all in one day.
I would hope that it just trashes every other production car or pseudo production car fresh from the factory (on the 400km/h tyres of course)...
Then we can all stop worrying about which is the fastest production car, as there will only be one
But yeah, the CCR is pretty awesome...
As for the Macca F1 speed limiter, it was removed as hitting the limiter at 240mph on a banked circuit was a bit nasty
Either way you look at it, the Macca is the only car that really is a road car that can also do 200mph+ All that torque and power in a lightweight car. Just watching that Tiff Needell video of it racing round Goodwood is awesome... I think only the Veyron will push the Macca into submission, but it's a total different car with a different approach. I'm sure a Macca F1 with a few turbo's would go faster, but it becomes less friendly for the road, more unreliable, heavier etc etc...
Macca F1 has, and always will have it all, in one nice little package.
Dave
I would hope that it just trashes every other production car or pseudo production car fresh from the factory (on the 400km/h tyres of course)...
Then we can all stop worrying about which is the fastest production car, as there will only be one
But yeah, the CCR is pretty awesome...
As for the Macca F1 speed limiter, it was removed as hitting the limiter at 240mph on a banked circuit was a bit nasty
Either way you look at it, the Macca is the only car that really is a road car that can also do 200mph+ All that torque and power in a lightweight car. Just watching that Tiff Needell video of it racing round Goodwood is awesome... I think only the Veyron will push the Macca into submission, but it's a total different car with a different approach. I'm sure a Macca F1 with a few turbo's would go faster, but it becomes less friendly for the road, more unreliable, heavier etc etc...
Macca F1 has, and always will have it all, in one nice little package.
Dave
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