Fuel protest next week
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4221296.stm
Further fuel protests threatened
Organisers of the 2000 fuel protest, which caused severe disruption when refineries were blocked, say they will act again if fuel tax is not cut.
Fuel Lobby made the announcement as the price of unleaded petrol rose to more than £1 a litre in parts of the UK as a result of Hurricane Katrina.
The group says all UK refineries will be blocked from 0600 BST on 14 September unless price cuts are made.
The Treasury said cutting tax would not solve the problem of high oil prices.
'Inadvertent rises'
A week-long campaign of picketing refineries and depots by thousands of hauliers and farmers in 2000 caused major shortages and was thought to have cost British business £1bn.
There was panic buying of fuel and even food during the week-long protest.
More than half the fuel used in the UK bears little or no fuel duty at all
Treasury spokesman
Fuel Lobby spokesman Andrew Spence said protesters were prepared to recreate that campaign.
"Every time the fuel companies have raised the price of fuel, taxation inadvertently has risen with it.
"If we don't do something now then when does it stop? £1.10? £1.20? £1.30?
"When does the country have to stand up and say, 'look, come on, this is too much Mr Blair'?"
US priority
But a Treasury spokesman said that road fuel duty on the main types of petrol and diesel were lower than they were six years ago.
Facts and figures behind UK petrol price rises
At-a-glance
"We believe the biggest priority in terms of reducing fuel costs must be working with the American government to restore production levels affected by the Hurricane Katrina disaster," he said.
"We must also maintain pressure on [the oil producers' cartel] Opec to set their oil production at levels consistent with more stable and sustainable prices.
"More than half the fuel used in the UK bears little or no fuel duty at all... so seeking to address the problem of high oil prices through road fuel duty alone would do nothing for the majority of consumers."
The average price of normal unleaded petrol in Britain went up by more than two pence over the weekend, to 94.6 pence per litre.
The rise came after oil refineries in the US were knocked out by Hurricane Katrina.
Further fuel protests threatened
Organisers of the 2000 fuel protest, which caused severe disruption when refineries were blocked, say they will act again if fuel tax is not cut.
Fuel Lobby made the announcement as the price of unleaded petrol rose to more than £1 a litre in parts of the UK as a result of Hurricane Katrina.
The group says all UK refineries will be blocked from 0600 BST on 14 September unless price cuts are made.
The Treasury said cutting tax would not solve the problem of high oil prices.
'Inadvertent rises'
A week-long campaign of picketing refineries and depots by thousands of hauliers and farmers in 2000 caused major shortages and was thought to have cost British business £1bn.
There was panic buying of fuel and even food during the week-long protest.
More than half the fuel used in the UK bears little or no fuel duty at all
Treasury spokesman
Fuel Lobby spokesman Andrew Spence said protesters were prepared to recreate that campaign.
"Every time the fuel companies have raised the price of fuel, taxation inadvertently has risen with it.
"If we don't do something now then when does it stop? £1.10? £1.20? £1.30?
"When does the country have to stand up and say, 'look, come on, this is too much Mr Blair'?"
US priority
But a Treasury spokesman said that road fuel duty on the main types of petrol and diesel were lower than they were six years ago.
Facts and figures behind UK petrol price rises
At-a-glance
"We believe the biggest priority in terms of reducing fuel costs must be working with the American government to restore production levels affected by the Hurricane Katrina disaster," he said.
"We must also maintain pressure on [the oil producers' cartel] Opec to set their oil production at levels consistent with more stable and sustainable prices.
"More than half the fuel used in the UK bears little or no fuel duty at all... so seeking to address the problem of high oil prices through road fuel duty alone would do nothing for the majority of consumers."
The average price of normal unleaded petrol in Britain went up by more than two pence over the weekend, to 94.6 pence per litre.
The rise came after oil refineries in the US were knocked out by Hurricane Katrina.
treasury tosspot said:
More than half the fuel used in the UK bears little or no fuel duty at all... so seeking to address the problem of high oil prices through road fuel duty alone would do nothing for the majority of consumers.
Yep that may be true, if you include aviation fuel and marine fuel, but it still does not change the fact that pre duty & VAT petrol, in the UK is actually cheaper on the forescourts than the rest of europe. We have one of the highest levels of Duty & tax on petrol in the world!
STOP Dissembling the truth you tosserOooo look, flying pig..... as monkey from the treasury legs it
Diversionary tactics employed.... badly.....
75% of the cost of fuel is taxation. A small increase in the raw costs of fuel is compounded by the huge amount of tax levied on it. A small reduction of the tax will see a massive reduction of the total costs involved.....
Inflation anyone? Be prepared to see it rise and have the economy stall if we arent careful. Nice one Labour.... their strategy backfired on this one.....
Diversionary tactics employed.... badly.....
75% of the cost of fuel is taxation. A small increase in the raw costs of fuel is compounded by the huge amount of tax levied on it. A small reduction of the tax will see a massive reduction of the total costs involved.....
Inflation anyone? Be prepared to see it rise and have the economy stall if we arent careful. Nice one Labour.... their strategy backfired on this one.....
Do you think Bliar will let it happen like last time...
I'm sure those hastily drafted anti-terrorism laws will be used to define refinery blockaders as terrorists.
Last time they were just called killers for stopping the emergency services from responding to incidents. Which was a loud of horse sh1t but swayed public support a bit.
I'm sure those hastily drafted anti-terrorism laws will be used to define refinery blockaders as terrorists.
Last time they were just called killers for stopping the emergency services from responding to incidents. Which was a loud of horse sh1t but swayed public support a bit.
Government survey question "So Mrs 79 year old housewife who has never driven, do you think that the nasty smelly cars should have to pay a bit more tax than say income tax? How about 70% instead of 40%? "
"Ooooo yis course they should. They come down my road ever so fast"
Or should the tax on petrol be aproaching 400%?
Bastards
"Ooooo yis course they should. They come down my road ever so fast"
Or should the tax on petrol be aproaching 400%?
Bastards
An increase in petrol costs on the forecourt, increases the amount of VAT charged on the petrol, which helps bail Brown out for his crap financial forcasting.....
Last year something like £22Billion was taken in Fuel Duty, with another £5Billion taken in VAT on fuel
VAT on fuel is added after duty - a Tax on Tax......
>> Edited by jesusbuiltmycar on Wednesday 7th September 10:18
Last year something like £22Billion was taken in Fuel Duty, with another £5Billion taken in VAT on fuel
VAT on fuel is added after duty - a Tax on Tax......
>> Edited by jesusbuiltmycar on Wednesday 7th September 10:18
Fuel protests are a pain, did nothing particular in the long run, and will temporarily push the price of fuel even higher.
Looking at this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/business_petrol_pricing/html/1.stm
... the UK is paying 67% tax; this compares with 66% in France (where there are m-way tolls all over the place) and 65% in Germany.
Looking at this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/business_petrol_pricing/html/1.stm
... the UK is paying 67% tax; this compares with 66% in France (where there are m-way tolls all over the place) and 65% in Germany.
Firstly let me make it clear that I am a small Haulier (well 6' 2" actually but you know what I mean.)
Blockading refineries is pointless, and I believe illegal.
However, if on a Monday morning, no HGV's were to leave their yards, how long do you think the country would survive? I realise there's a lot of people on here who would relish this happening, but realisticly speaking. Look how quickly New Orleans decended into anarchy, compeletely different scenario I understand but maybe you get the point.
Blockades are illegal, and arrogant. Not going to work is neither of these.
Take a look around you now, how many things that you use for everyday living have to be transported at some point by road? The lists pretty long ain't it.
UK fuel duty is killing the UK haulage industry, the holes left by UK hauliers are increasingly being filled by forgien trucks. Foriegn trucks bring their own problems, insurance, non payment of Vehicle Excise Duty, driving standards, etc etc.
The answer as far as I see it, is to reduce the levy on fuel to create a level playing feild across Europe, I don't want hand outs, just a fair crack of the whip.
Blockading refineries is pointless, and I believe illegal.
However, if on a Monday morning, no HGV's were to leave their yards, how long do you think the country would survive? I realise there's a lot of people on here who would relish this happening, but realisticly speaking. Look how quickly New Orleans decended into anarchy, compeletely different scenario I understand but maybe you get the point.
Blockades are illegal, and arrogant. Not going to work is neither of these.
Take a look around you now, how many things that you use for everyday living have to be transported at some point by road? The lists pretty long ain't it.
UK fuel duty is killing the UK haulage industry, the holes left by UK hauliers are increasingly being filled by forgien trucks. Foriegn trucks bring their own problems, insurance, non payment of Vehicle Excise Duty, driving standards, etc etc.
The answer as far as I see it, is to reduce the levy on fuel to create a level playing feild across Europe, I don't want hand outs, just a fair crack of the whip.
Simonelite501 said:
is to reduce the levy on fuel to create a level playing feild across Europe, I don't want hand outs, just a fair crack of the whip.
Sorry to say it mate but there is already an ongoing programme to allign fuel duties across the EU, the problem is they're not being alligned downwards......
timmy30 said:
Sorry to say it mate but there is already an ongoing programme to allign fuel duties across the EU, the problem is they're not being alligned downwards......
That's quite alright.
Parity is whats required. Higher fuel prices just mean the cost of haulage will increase, at present I can't increase rates as the work will just go to a foriegn truck, on cheaper fuel/wages.
>> Edited by Simonelite501 on Wednesday 7th September 10:33
jesusbuiltmycar said:
An increase in petrol costs on the forecourt, increases the amount of VAT charged on the petrol, which helps bail Brown out for his crap financial forcasting.....
Last year something like £22Billion was taken in Fuel Duty, with another £5Billion taken in VAT on fuel
VAT on fuel is added after duty - a Tax on Tax......
>> Edited by jesusbuiltmycar on Wednesday 7th September 10:18
No no you are forgetting that most people have already paid 40% income tax and another 10% Ni on the money before they even get to the pump. So thats tax on tax on tax. The tax paid on £10 worth of fuel is £13. £8 fuel tax and vat and £5 income tax and NI.
As I said: If you have a toy in the garage go top it up. Its not likely to happen. But if it *does* one might want to be slightly prepared at least.
Lets say the Hauliers all decided to simply stop business for a week....to coincide with the fuel protest.
That would most certainly get the Government's attention.
Lets say the Hauliers all decided to simply stop business for a week....to coincide with the fuel protest.
That would most certainly get the Government's attention.
JagLover said:
I do not believe there should be a fuel tax protest. The previous one did it's job, the escalotor was abondoned, and we have not seen much rise in fuel duty since.
The current high price of petrol is caused by high world oil prices.
This is a very simplistic attitude that fails to appreciate the economic damage that high fuel prices cause and the long term economic effects that will remain long after prices stabilise.
Lets say a haulier ceases to trade due to the current situation, that is a permanent effect that is unlikely to be reversed as the vacuum is filled immediately by foreign hauliers who run with fuel purchased abroad.
The general public are spending money on additional fuel costs that would normally be spent elsewhere - if you are a builder, retailer, or involved in any service sector the effects will soon be felt with reductions in work and possible redundancies.
If this Government really cared it would temporarily reduce fuel duty until the markets stabilised and reduce the long term economic effects.
If you think I am exaggerating just ask some of the hauliers, small retailers etc what their profit margins are - then reflect how you could survive in a similar position.
Rant Over !!
timmy30 said:
is to reduce the levy on fuel to create a level playing feild across Europe, I don't want hand outs, just a fair crack of the whip.
Sorry to say it mate but there is already an ongoing programme to allign fuel duties across the EU, the problem is they're not being alligned downwards......
It would only be reasonable to expect fuel taxes to be equal if other motoring taxes were equal. Motoring taxes in the UK are low on vehicle ownership but high on vehicle usage compared to most other countries. This makes it cheap for someone to run an economical car for essential use but expensive for someone to own a thristy car and use it a lot.
Don said:
As I said: If you have a toy in the garage go top it up. Its not likely to happen. But if it *does* one might want to be slightly prepared at least.
Lets say the Hauliers all decided to simply stop business for a week....to coincide with the fuel protest.
That would most certainly get the Government's attention.
I don't think anything short of total insurection and the ritual dissembowelment of Tony Blair outside Westminster would get the governments attention. This collection of deluded lawyers and schoolteachers are so far removed from reality I really doubt they have the ability to forsee the effects of a sustained attack on civilisation via fuel and goods deprivation. I think they honestly believe that they would be in control in a fuel crisis.
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