Big ship sinks, oil everywhere, etc
Discussion
Anyone know anymore about this? I've been playing GTA for the last 119 hours solid 
and missed the news. Was there a collision, did it get blown off course (how does a 70,000 ton tanker get blown off course anwyay?), what's the odds of there really being a humungous catastrophe, will scunthorpe and skegness still be capable of supporting human life or drowned under a tide of black gold?
and missed the news. Was there a collision, did it get blown off course (how does a 70,000 ton tanker get blown off course anwyay?), what's the odds of there really being a humungous catastrophe, will scunthorpe and skegness still be capable of supporting human life or drowned under a tide of black gold?
From what i've heard, it hit somethingorother near or attatched to spain and spilled about 8ish% of its oil which made quite a mess. The crew then wanted to be towed to a harbour so the ship wouldn't fall to bits any more than it already had. In a typically spanish kind of a way that spanish told them to take a hike. They then towed the ship 100 miles to somewhere not spanish where it promptly fell to bits in the middle of nowhere. It's currently in two bits, two miles underwater and leaking a bit, and in training for leaking a lot.
Oh the fun of it all.
>> Edited by agent006 on Wednesday 20th November 18:24
Oh the fun of it all.
>> Edited by agent006 on Wednesday 20th November 18:24
Listened to a right load of bull*** on R2 this afternoon.
It's all down to the
1. The motor car
2. various shipping magnates
3. Western Europe in general
It IS NOT the fault of the Spanish (or Portugese for that matter) governments, even though the spanish sent it away from a port equipped to transfer the oil out of it when it was 3 miles away from said port.
The boss of the salvage team looked suitably unimpressed on newsnight last night too.
It's all down to the
1. The motor car
2. various shipping magnates
3. Western Europe in general
It IS NOT the fault of the Spanish (or Portugese for that matter) governments, even though the spanish sent it away from a port equipped to transfer the oil out of it when it was 3 miles away from said port.
The boss of the salvage team looked suitably unimpressed on newsnight last night too.
well, in fairness, the ships insurance should payout for the damage done to Spanish coastline, wildlife, fishing etc..
So I don't see that the Spanish suing anyone is necessarily anything other than a matter of course - one assumes by law that anyone shipping enormous amounts of hazardous (in whatever respect) cargo must be insured to do so and thusly indemnified against damages arising therefrom?
So I don't see that the Spanish suing anyone is necessarily anything other than a matter of course - one assumes by law that anyone shipping enormous amounts of hazardous (in whatever respect) cargo must be insured to do so and thusly indemnified against damages arising therefrom?
CarZee said: well, in fairness, the ships insurance should payout for the damage done to Spanish coastline, wildlife, fishing etc..
So I don't see that the Spanish suing anyone is necessarily anything other than a matter of course - one assumes by law that anyone shipping enormous amounts of hazardous (in whatever respect) cargo must be insured to do so and thusly indemnified against damages arising therefrom?
But the injured party had the opportunity to take reasonable mitigating action to reduce the damage they might suffer. They were made aware of the potential consequences of not taking such action, and nevertheless chose not to take it. Indeed the action they did take is likely to have exacerbated the probability of suffering the worst potential consequences.
That is likely, as I understand it, to substantially reduce the compensation to which they may be entitled.
It damn well should anyway.
Edited to increase the count of polysylabbic words
>> Edited by JohnL on Thursday 21st November 00:17
Being cynical.....assuming the Spanish fishing industry is suffering like the UK, then the Spanish will take this opportunity to gain huge amounts of compensation to 'pay off' the fishermen.
This compensation / grant / whatever, will no doubt come from insurance and / or the EU coffers.
Spanish fishermen will get some money and the Spanish government gets an easy way round a situation that troubles all countries with a fishing coastline.
This compensation / grant / whatever, will no doubt come from insurance and / or the EU coffers.
Spanish fishermen will get some money and the Spanish government gets an easy way round a situation that troubles all countries with a fishing coastline.
aww999 said: Errr . . . can any sailors out there tell me how oil gets INTO a ships bilges in the first place thereby neccessitating it being pumped out (taken from the linked news story).
From the bleedin great 100,000bhp or more heavy oil powered engine and a huge propshaft, (similar in diameter to the channel tunnel) that all needs more than 5 litre of mobil one and some grease in a CV joint boot to keep it lubed up!! So the bilge oil pumped out is mainly spilt engine & fuel oils. Or in the case of oil tankers the dodgy captains have been known to wash out the huge empty oil tanks while at sea.
Someone knowledgeable might care to comment on this: But as this ship was an 'old' single-skinned type, whereas the newer ships are of double-skinned structure, shouldn't the single-skinned ships pay a heavier insurance as any failure in the hull is more likely to have a greater effect on the environment. And therefore perhaps a portion of the insurance paid by ship's owners should go into a global fund to compensate countries affected from such disasters.
wolosp said: Someone knowledgeable might care to comment on this: But as this ship was an 'old' single-skinned type, whereas the newer ships are of double-skinned structure, shouldn't the single-skinned ships pay a heavier insurance as any failure in the hull is more likely to have a greater effect on the environment. And therefore perhaps a portion of the insurance paid by ship's owners should go into a global fund to compensate countries affected from such disasters.
They probably do - insurers are pretty canny types on the whole. As for an international fund - shouldn't the insurance cover this anyway?
135sport said:
simpo one said: The Spanish are now suing a British company for damages. Well who else? Of course it's all our fault -
Until we hand over Gibraltar of course....
I thought it was a Greek company owned / registered vessel.
Insurers British perhaps? Like a Lloyds syndicate (which is not necessarily British of course)
IIRC
Oily engine room bilge water goes through an oily water seperator, has to be recorded in the engine room log, and is carefully controlled by the many state port inspections the ship has to undergo.
The ships bunkers (fuel/lube oil etc..) are held in tanks low down near the bilges, the quantities are recorded before and after sailing by the cargo surveyor and checked to make sure the ship wasn't using any of the cargo to power the ship. on D/B'd ships they are separated from the hull the same as cargo tanks.
All tankers have to wash their tanks due to prepping for different cargo grades or to 'gas free' the tanks. (an empty tank full of vapour is more dangerous than a full one). This is where you get the satellite pic's of ships trailing large oily wakes.
Single hulled tankers are being phased out but if you're an operator who can legally use a knackered old crate and save some cash, that's what you're going to do. They're the Rover 800 minicabs of the tanker world.
Dave
Oily engine room bilge water goes through an oily water seperator, has to be recorded in the engine room log, and is carefully controlled by the many state port inspections the ship has to undergo.
The ships bunkers (fuel/lube oil etc..) are held in tanks low down near the bilges, the quantities are recorded before and after sailing by the cargo surveyor and checked to make sure the ship wasn't using any of the cargo to power the ship. on D/B'd ships they are separated from the hull the same as cargo tanks.
All tankers have to wash their tanks due to prepping for different cargo grades or to 'gas free' the tanks. (an empty tank full of vapour is more dangerous than a full one). This is where you get the satellite pic's of ships trailing large oily wakes.
Single hulled tankers are being phased out but if you're an operator who can legally use a knackered old crate and save some cash, that's what you're going to do. They're the Rover 800 minicabs of the tanker world.
Dave
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