Driving without Tax
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ehyouwhat

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4,606 posts

248 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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Off to pick up a car on saturday afternoon that we've bought from a garage. The car doesn't have any tax on it and the dealer has commented that he doesn't want to tax it as he'd have to put another name on the logbook (not ideal). He has said that he'll knock the price of the tax off the car, so essentially he's paying for it indirectly.

If we're driving the car back (around 75 miles) on the saturday afternoon, we're not going to be able to find somewhere to tax it that day. So where do we stand with regards to driving without tax until the monday afternoon? I'm guessing we can still tax the car with our small section of the V5 form (until the new V5 arrives), but post offices generally shut on a saturday lunch time/early afternoon.

blaineuk

2,615 posts

277 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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i have a "universal tax disk" in my van that i take with me when i go to fetch an untaxed vehicle, all driven back on private roads off course . my theroy is that if bib see you and you have a disk in the window you will not get stopped, unlike if you didn't have one. this is all changing now with the cameras in the cars that check your reg/tax/mot and insurance

amcphillips

934 posts

247 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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You'd be driving uninsured to start with. It doesnt matter who's name is on the log book as far as I know. I've had the dealer tax it for me and all I did was gave him may insurance policy before I picked it up and he taxed it for me. Sounds to me like your dealer just can't be arsed. Say you'll give him the money for the tax and expect him to sort it out for you.

Big Al.

69,336 posts

288 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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The simple answer is if you are not taxed you are not insured!

Driving any car without road tax is against the law.

ehyouwhat

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4,606 posts

248 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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Our problem is that the car is around 75 miles away us, so we can't just nip the insurance form round for him the day before we pick the car up so that he can tax it for us. The insurance form should be here before then (and the insurance is applicable from 00:01 on that Saturday) but the earliest we can pick the car up is about 3pm on Saturday afternoon, and I don't think there'll be a post office open to do it (feel free to correct me if there might be though).

The last thing we want to do is get into trouble driving the car back, but we can't think of anything else we can do. Working hours and a house move in 11 days means it would be another 3 weeks before we could pick the car up again. Should the dealer be able to tax the car completely off his own back by saturday?

ehyouwhat

Original Poster:

4,606 posts

248 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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Big Al. said:
The simple answer is if you are not taxed you are not insured!

Driving any car without road tax is against the law.


But isn't it legal if you're driving it to a post office to tax it? If the post office in Bolton is open till 4pm+ on saturday then we won't have a problem.

CombeMarshal

2,030 posts

256 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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Big Al. said:
The simple answer is if you are not taxed you are not insured!



Is that true, I thought they were 2 seperate offences?

Lambochick

1,462 posts

248 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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ehyouwhat said:


But isn't it legal if you're driving it to a post office to tax it? If the post office in Bolton is open till 4pm+ on saturday then we won't have a problem.


No it's not. It's only legal to drive an untaxed car on the public road if it's being driven to a pre-booked MOT test.

Antony Moxey

10,738 posts

249 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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Big Al. said:
The simple answer is if you are not taxed you are not insured!

Driving any car without road tax is against the law.


Rubbish. When I built my kit car I couldn't tax it until it was registered, which couldn't be done until it had passed an SVA test. As long as you have insurance, you can drive to and from pre-booked SVA tests even though the car isn't registered, taxed and has no number plates. I did exactly this, and also for an MOT test I had prebooked before the SVA test as well.

spdpug98

1,551 posts

252 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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When I have bought cars from dealers in the past, they have always said that they cannot tax the car without putting their own name on the log book, but when I bought my 2 year old Merc last year from Mercedes they managed to get the tax and pay for it, all they asked for was a copy of my insurance


>> Edited by spdpug98 on Tuesday 21st March 18:52

morrisman

264 posts

248 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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ehyouwhat said:
Off to pick up a car on saturday afternoon that we've bought from a garage. The car doesn't have any tax on it and the dealer has commented that he doesn't want to tax it as he'd have to put another name on the logbook (not ideal). He has said that he'll knock the price of the tax off the car, so essentially he's paying for it indirectly.

If we're driving the car back (around 75 miles) on the saturday afternoon, we're not going to be able to find somewhere to tax it that day. So where do we stand with regards to driving without tax until the monday afternoon? I'm guessing we can still tax the car with our small section of the V5 form (until the new V5 arrives), but post offices generally shut on a saturday lunch time/early afternoon.


Book an MOT for late Saturday afternoon, near home, and keep a note on paper, tell plod that is where you are going. That way you are covered.

Don

28,378 posts

314 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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morrisman said:
ehyouwhat said:
Off to pick up a car on saturday afternoon that we've bought from a garage. The car doesn't have any tax on it and the dealer has commented that he doesn't want to tax it as he'd have to put another name on the logbook (not ideal). He has said that he'll knock the price of the tax off the car, so essentially he's paying for it indirectly.

If we're driving the car back (around 75 miles) on the saturday afternoon, we're not going to be able to find somewhere to tax it that day. So where do we stand with regards to driving without tax until the monday afternoon? I'm guessing we can still tax the car with our small section of the V5 form (until the new V5 arrives), but post offices generally shut on a saturday lunch time/early afternoon.


Book an MOT for late Saturday afternoon, near home, and keep a note on paper, tell plod that is where you are going. That way you are covered.


Yep. After all you want to know its OK don't you!

But its a piece of piss to have your insurance company send a cover note to the dealer who can then tax it for you. If he really, really cannot be arsed to do it I suggest you turn up early on the day when the local post office is still open and do it right there and then.

FortJefferson

8,237 posts

252 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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Big Al. said:
The simple answer is if you are not taxed you are not insured!


This is bull shit.

pwd95

8,459 posts

268 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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The dealer can tax the car for you no problem. He's either unaware of this or he can't be arsed to do it. I bought and sold a couple of cars last year, the latest documents have a bar code on them, they just bleep the bar code and give the document back to you. I have a traders policy and thats perfectly acceptable with a current MOT. Easy.

Dads Toy

96 posts

262 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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Wish I could help out...I'm road tax exempt here...Diplomatic reg on my Viper, too bad I never see speeding tickets either, I feel just awful..

iguana

7,356 posts

290 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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spdpug98 said:
When I have bought cars from dealers in the past, they have always said that they cannot tax the car without putting their own name on the log book,


Too lazy to go to the post office more like, a traders insurance policy will let you tax a car.


iguana

7,356 posts

290 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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ehyouwhat said:

The last thing we want to do is get into trouble driving the car back, but we can't think of anything else we can do.


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2 sMoKiN bArReLs

32,037 posts

265 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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Big Al. said:
The simple answer is if you are not taxed you are not insured!



Ain't necessarily so.

...but not good practise!

>> Edited by 2 sMoKiN bArReLs on Tuesday 21st March 21:13

Cotty

42,250 posts

314 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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blaineuk said:
i have a "universal tax disk" in my van that i take with me when i go to fetch an untaxed vehicle, all driven back on private roads off course . my theroy is that if bib see you and you have a disk in the window you will not get stopped, unlike if you didn't have one. this is all changing now with the cameras in the cars that check your reg/tax/mot and insurance


The new tax disks are coloured and I got stopped as my tax disk was an expired colour. Copper spotted it as I drove my

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

32,037 posts

265 months

Tuesday 21st March 2006
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ehyouwhat said:
The car doesn't have any tax on it and the dealer has commented that he doesn't want to tax it as he'd have to put another name on the logbook


...that's bollicks...he's being lazy