500BHP Megabusa Turbo Vs Bugatti Veyron
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This guy in my office mentioned to me a while ago that he had a turbo megabusa and he also added it was a tad on the fast side. Well lastnight he took me for a ride in it, apart from being freezing it was suprisingly comfortable until the turbo came onsong ofcourse. Nearly broke my neck. lol
He says its 1000bhp / ton and let me tell you it felt like it as well. He was running semi slick tyres. The rate at which it goes from 50 mph to 150 mph is something you have to experience to believe. I own a modified 05 plate R6 aswell as my TVR and i reckon i would struggle to keep up with it. He bought the car for 12k and spent 3.5 on the turbo conversion. The noise is immense.
My question is how do you think it would fair against a veyron?
I've seen a video of a veyron on a full tilt lauch and it rocketed away, but once rolling i think it would be a close match.
He says its 1000bhp / ton and let me tell you it felt like it as well. He was running semi slick tyres. The rate at which it goes from 50 mph to 150 mph is something you have to experience to believe. I own a modified 05 plate R6 aswell as my TVR and i reckon i would struggle to keep up with it. He bought the car for 12k and spent 3.5 on the turbo conversion. The noise is immense.
My question is how do you think it would fair against a veyron?
I've seen a video of a veyron on a full tilt lauch and it rocketed away, but once rolling i think it would be a close match.
smithyl23 said:
He says its 1000bhp / ton and let me tell you it felt like it as well.
Aren't standard Yamaha R1's and Suzuki GSXR-1000's around 1000bhp/ton anyway ?
I think a standard Hyabusa is around 814bhp/ton.
My money would be on the Veyron, especially at higher speeds.
It would be good to watch though, and even better to paticipate in.
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Would have to be something very special to beat the Veyron - at higher speeds nothing would be able to touch it as far as I'm aware. The Veyron posted some astonishing figures in this years Autocar 0-100-0 challenge - around 9s dead iirc, and that was with a 0-60 time of 2.8s which the Bugatti engineers reckon they've bettered by 0.4s in testing
Agree that something special would be needed ... which may well be similar to Mark Butler's similar specially built Dax Rush Quadra with a 400bhp RV8, which set records on the hills & sprints that nothing has got anywhere near since.
Power/torque to weight would be comparable to the Veyron, but braking (ie. weight to grip) much better, so I for one wouldn't bet against it, but just for 0-100-0, not much above 100
Power/torque to weight would be comparable to the Veyron, but braking (ie. weight to grip) much better, so I for one wouldn't bet against it, but just for 0-100-0, not much above 100
Edited by tail slide on Thursday 24th August 18:38
Edited by tail slide on Thursday 24th August 22:29
A lot of "seven" type cars are quick but only up to a certain point.The sheer power and grunt of the Veyron would at some point just leave the megabusa in its wake.If you've seen the JC drag race down the runway where the Cerbera wins you will notice that the Caterham gets left behind very quickly even though on paper its amongst the quickest cars money can buy.There was a comment made about the Veyron versus the Mclaren F1 something along the lines of...if the Mclaren had a head start upto 60mph the Veyron would still beat it to 200mph.I'm sure someone will know for sure....
I have 330 BHP at the "wheels" in my Megabusa and could run more boost but it would struggle to get any more power down in it's present set up. Mine was done by jack at Holeshot racing which included having the gears sent to the States to be straight cut plus quite a few other things to make the car reliable and driveable, but it cost me £9,000! Not sure what he got for £3,000 though?
Have to say it is immensely quick even uncomfortably so!
Kev
Have to say it is immensely quick even uncomfortably so!
Kev
Power/torque to weight would be comparable to the Veyron, but braking (ie. weight to grip) much better, so I for one wouldn't bet against it, but just for 0-100-0, not much above 100
Power of the veyron is 1000 bhp kerb weight of 1.6 tonnes = 625 bhp / tonne
Megabusa turbo is 500 bhp and 500 kg = 1000 bhp
not sure on the 1/4 mile time of the veyron but the Megabusa turbo ran an 8.4 second 1/4 miles at santa pod last year.
Edited by tail slide on Thursday 24th August 18:38
Edited by tail slide on Thursday 24th August 22:29
[/quote] Power of the veyron is 1000 bhp kerb weight of 1.6 tonnes = 625 bhp / tonne
Megabusa turbo is 500 bhp and 500 kg = 1000 bhp
not sure on the 1/4 mile time of the veyron but the Megabusa turbo ran an 8.4 second 1/4 miles at santa pod last year.
Caterham brought along a specially modified CSR260 (different gearing iirc to help it get to 100 quickly) and Ariel provided a supercharged K20 Atom for the Autocar 0-100-0 challenge this year yet neither of them could get close to the Veyron. I would seriously doubt even a 500bhp Megabusa could beat the Bug simply because it would struggle to get the power down. The ace up the Veyron's sleeve is its 4WD and the traction it provides. I'm not the biggest fan of the Bugatti but I can admire it for the immense engineering feat it is, plus you can't argue with the figures it can post
TurboTomato said:
Caterham brought along a specially modified CSR260 (different gearing iirc to help it get to 100 quickly) and Ariel provided a supercharged K20 Atom for the Autocar 0-100-0 challenge this year yet neither of them could get close to the Veyron. I would seriously doubt even a 500bhp Megabusa could beat the Bug simply because it would struggle to get the power down. The ace up the Veyron's sleeve is its 4WD and the traction it provides. I'm not the biggest fan of the Bugatti but I can admire it for the immense engineering feat it is, plus you can't argue with the figures it can post
But the Dax Quadra IS 4wd....
it feels a bit unlikely to me to get a 500bhp turbo conversion done on a busa for 3.5k. I'm just a cynic where such claims are concerned!
regarding the question about the veyron another problem is that the addition of a driver to a westie wreaks the power to weight ratio. An 80kg driver is 20% of the weight so drops the ratio to 860 bhp per ton. In the veyron the driver drops it to about 925.
Graham
regarding the question about the veyron another problem is that the addition of a driver to a westie wreaks the power to weight ratio. An 80kg driver is 20% of the weight so drops the ratio to 860 bhp per ton. In the veyron the driver drops it to about 925.
Graham
gridgway said:
An 80kg driver is 20% of the weight so drops the ratio to 860 bhp per ton. In the veyron the driver drops it to about 925.
Graham
Graham
That would be provided the Veyron weighs a tonne - in reality, it's 1,950 kgs dry weight with fluids adding another 200 or so, so the unladen power/weight is < 500 bhp/tonne.
As for a direct comparison, a 500 bhp Westie would be more accelerative than anything bar a Caparo T1, but in a very narrow speed range as it would be seriously hampered by (lack of) traction at one end of the scale, and aerodynamic drag at the other.
gridgway said:
it feels a bit unlikely to me to get a 500bhp turbo conversion done on a busa for 3.5k. I'm just a cynic where such claims are concerned!
regarding the question about the veyron another problem is that the addition of a driver to a westie wreaks the power to weight ratio. An 80kg driver is 20% of the weight so drops the ratio to 860 bhp per ton. In the veyron the driver drops it to about 925.
Graham
regarding the question about the veyron another problem is that the addition of a driver to a westie wreaks the power to weight ratio. An 80kg driver is 20% of the weight so drops the ratio to 860 bhp per ton. In the veyron the driver drops it to about 925.
Graham
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And as for the driver in the veyron taking it down to 925????? Its only a smidge over 500 bhp/tonne (got the weight wrong in my previous post) so don't know where 925 came from.
tail slide said:
TurboTomato said:
Caterham brought along a specially modified CSR260 (different gearing iirc to help it get to 100 quickly) and Ariel provided a supercharged K20 Atom for the Autocar 0-100-0 challenge this year yet neither of them could get close to the Veyron. I would seriously doubt even a 500bhp Megabusa could beat the Bug simply because it would struggle to get the power down. The ace up the Veyron's sleeve is its 4WD and the traction it provides. I'm not the biggest fan of the Bugatti but I can admire it for the immense engineering feat it is, plus you can't argue with the figures it can post
But the Dax Quadra IS 4wd....
Didn't realise that.... but thinking about it now the name gives it away!
Fair enough then - let's get some official figures on it and see how it compares
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