Top Gear - Rendezvous

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caro

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1,018 posts

299 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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Did anyone else think that this was a clever scam?

Just looking at the film of a supposed 120mph dash through Paris in a "Ferrari or similar", the buildings were not going by nearly fast enough...i reckon he was on a loudish scooter, doing about 70-ish, with added soundtrack.

or did i drink too much Rose this evening???

Graham

16,376 posts

299 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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too much rose and too much watching american tv with speeded up cars where the speedo says 80 and the backgrounds moving at about 300 ?

scooby_snax

1,279 posts

269 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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That certainly wasnt 120...nevermind watching the buildings looking at the road and road markings it was more like 40mph. Soundtrack was clearly added
What a load of bo**ocks it was too.

With regard the prog, whilst vaguely amusing the first time it was shown...several years ago what is the point in lighting the tyres/driving sideways on a runway just what does it prove?

enginearin

228 posts

267 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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i agree rendevous certainly looked like a scam. have a look around for a pair of movies called "Getaway in Stockholm 1 and 2". bunch of absolute loonies doin very similar things in sweden. 2 is more interesting than 1 cos there's 2 cars involved. its worth a look but gets a bit tedious after 5 mins or so.

heres the link www.getawayinstockholm.com/main.html

and a different one in czech republic
http://a400.g.akamai.net/7/400/8182.../zdvd/HR_QT.mov

try this too for other vids and GTS1&2
http://the16v.com/race/6.htm

mikeylad

31,608 posts

268 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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apart from running the red lights i thought it was tame. i don't think he got out of fourth and never went above 60-65 mph, averaging about 45.

Farmer

1,287 posts

289 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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With regard the prog, whilst vaguely amusing the first time it was shown...several years ago what is the point in lighting the tyres/driving sideways on a runway just what does it prove?


got to agree it's getting to be a bit boring just trashing the tyres/transmission for dramatic effect , an accidental spin or emergency start is one thing but spinning round and round haphazardly sends out the wrong message to the anti's . Now a rally drivers victory pirouette that is always a hoot ,done properly

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

270 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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Errm........have a look here, lads

www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=31784&f=23&h=0&hw=rendezvous

If you're all right, the French authorities got it wrong. Claude Lelouche was arrested after making the film.

duncanreally

45 posts

270 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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This film is very well known, and is widely believed to be authentic. I've asked for a copy for my birthday. Get yours here:

www.spiritlevelfilm.com/

Dan

1,068 posts

299 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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I was watching the TT yesterday and while I know the bikes go much faster that 120 the difference between that and rendezvous was... marked. Definitely a scam.

PetrolTed

34,447 posts

318 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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Farmer said:



With regard the prog, whilst vaguely amusing the first time it was shown...several years ago what is the point in lighting the tyres/driving sideways on a runway just what does it prove?


got to agree it's getting to be a bit boring just trashing the tyres/transmission for dramatic effect , an accidental spin or emergency start is one thing but spinning round and round haphazardly sends out the wrong message to the anti's . Now a rally drivers victory pirouette that is always a hoot ,done properly



I'd be a bit pissed if I was Aston Martin and they were donutting my new car just for the sake of it. Doesn't show a great deal of respect for the car they've been loaned...

Big_M

5,602 posts

278 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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My first thought that it was speeded up - I am sure it was a bike. The camera was very close to the ground which always gives the appearance of greater speed. The pigeons were probably added on afterwards.

AlexH

2,505 posts

299 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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PetrolTed said: I'd be a bit pissed if I was Aston Martin and they were donutting my new car just for the sake of it. Doesn't show a great deal of respect for the car they've been loaned...




True, but I wouldn't have thought it would be much worse than the things they do to them in testing. I expect they just regard as par for the course that testers are going to hammer the cars, even if they would prefer if they didn't.

miniman

28,184 posts

277 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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I would imagine it is a worthwhile excercise for Aston to allow their cars to be used in this way - for every potential customer that wants the effortless GT cruising ability, there's surely one who is turned on by smoking tyres and sideways action?

I do, however, prefer seeing Tiff doing a calm piece to camera whilst sliding an M5 or somesuch round a nice curve... I say bring him back!

rob.e

2,862 posts

293 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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Have any of you guys who say its a "scam" actually watched the film? I've got a copy of it on DVD. Its not dubbed and its done in one single take. You clearly hear which gear the driver is in, and yes - the bit they showed the guy is probably at around 60-70 mph. On some of the open stretches he's easily over 100 mph.

This is one of the best ever automotive 'live action' films ever made. The sound of the 275 GTB echoing off the parisian streets is just fantastic. I can't understand why its getting a slating on this, a petrol heads forum!

Rob

ps - you do know the "matix" isn't real don't you

thub

1,359 posts

299 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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Rendezvous is/was not a scam, and the bits showed weren't necessarily the best or the quickest. We all get mighty cynical in this age of digital picture reworking but that was shot on an old fashioned film camera. Apparently one of the prompts for the film was the development of a new camera mount, so, of course, it had to be tested.

miniman

28,184 posts

277 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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thub said: ...the bits showed weren't necessarily the best or the quickest.

And if they had shown the real footage of 100mph+ through Paris, wouldn't they have been up in front of the "Points of View" judge and jury double quick? Perhaps showing those clips was a good way to advertise the rest of the film without being seen to be approving of lunacy on public roads?

miniman

28,184 posts

277 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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rob.e said: ps - you do know the "matiz" isn't real don't you


What are you talking about?! It's definitely real. Here is one of the little beautys:


roop

6,012 posts

299 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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I've seen the whole of C'etait un rendezvous several times and there is no way that the soundtrack and the speeds that the soundtrack suggests match up with the images - it's a complete fabrication.

At one point the soundtrack suggests very high rpm in fifth yet the picture suggests about 45mph. With the camera mounted so low and some of the narrow streets, the effect of speed should in fact be greatly enhanced, but it still looks far too slow.

The tyre squealing seems no way related to the speed or lateral loads you would expect to to be on the car and doesn't vary between surfaces at all or when going over bumps which is all very dodgy.

There's also a couple of points where the image is of the car decelerating yet the audio suggests the driver is flat out and changing up.

I think somebody strapped an 8mm to the front of their Renault 4 and dubbed the Le Mans soundtrack on after.

As has been mentioned before. Too see some proper speed on public roads, get Getaway in Stockholm - there's ripped versions on Kazaa and such but you can buy the original DVD's in Halfords etc. Compare these with Rendezvous and you'll see what bollocks the latter is.

Roop

alunr

1,676 posts

279 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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That was the first time I've seen any footage but my main feeling was the complete lack of reaction by the few people wandering about - You don't have to be a petrol head to turn and look when 100's of HP's come screaming up the street. Most people would just to check they're not about to die!

stedale

1,125 posts

280 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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roop said: I've seen the whole of C'etait un rendezvous several times and there is no way that the soundtrack and the speeds that the soundtrack suggests match up with the images - it's a complete fabrication.

At one point the soundtrack suggests very high rpm in fifth yet the picture suggests about 45mph. With the camera mounted so low and some of the narrow streets, the effect of speed should in fact be greatly enhanced, but it still looks far too slow.

The tyre squealing seems no way related to the speed or lateral loads you would expect to to be on the car and doesn't vary between surfaces at all or when going over bumps which is all very dodgy.

There's also a couple of points where the image is of the car decelerating yet the audio suggests the driver is flat out and changing up.

I think somebody strapped an 8mm to the front of their Renault 4 and dubbed the Le Mans soundtrack on after.

As has been mentioned before. Too see some proper speed on public roads, get Getaway in Stockholm - there's ripped versions on Kazaa and such but you can buy the original DVD's in Halfords etc. Compare these with Rendezvous and you'll see what bollocks the latter is.

Roop


I would agree with this on the basis of the clips. the driver appeared to be winding the car out in every gear (according to the sound ) but visually there was no increase in speed - to be honest I was left cold by both clips.