new "kuga" from ford..
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davido140

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256 months

Saturday 24th May 2008
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Advert says

"why do we have to keep following the same design rules, what if we could start with a blank canvas?"

And would you believe it, the Kuga looks just like a BMW X3, or any other "city" 4x4 you can think of.


Flintstone

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277 months

Saturday 24th May 2008
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But is it anything to do with TVRs? biggrin

900T-R

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287 months

Saturday 24th May 2008
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Well, one could argue Fords new style of nomenclature comes from the same sort of thinking that gave us 'Grantura' half a century ago...wink

davido140

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Saturday 24th May 2008
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Flintstone said:
But is it anything to do with TVRs? biggrin
whoops, I thought I put it in General Gassing.... move please modwink

Flintstone

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277 months

Saturday 24th May 2008
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No, no!!

Leave it here so we can mock davidowink



Edited to add: You're dead right though. It's fugly.

Edited by Flintstone on Sunday 25th May 00:08

Hub

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228 months

Sunday 25th May 2008
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rubbish name - I mean isn't it pronounced the same as Cougar, a completely different, but also Ford, car?

Ferg

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287 months

Sunday 25th May 2008
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Aaaaaarrrrgggghhhh, my eyes!!

iain_cam

689 posts

260 months

Sunday 25th May 2008
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davido140 said:
Advert says

"why do we have to keep following the same design rules, what if we could start with a blank canvas?"

And would you believe it, the Kuga looks just like a BMW X3, or any other "city" 4x4 you can think of.
Seen that ad twice and the music's already getting on my nerves. . .

JamesK

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309 months

Monday 26th May 2008
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Agreed. Horrific irony - blank canvas = carbon copy of every other utterly pointless "utility" vehicle. Same size as any other 4 door car but harder to park and worse on fuel. BRILLIANT!!

I genuinely pity anyone who thinks these mini 4x4's are a good idea.

Titan Simba

18,451 posts

224 months

Monday 26th May 2008
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JamesK said:
Agreed. Horrific irony - blank canvas = carbon copy of every other utterly pointless "utility" vehicle. Same size as any other 4 door car but harder to park and worse on fuel. BRILLIANT!!

I genuinely pity anyone who thinks these mini 4x4's are a good idea.
Completely agree. My next car has to be something which can carry a load of kid's stuff, etc. But I'll certainly be in the market for an estate rather than an MPV - which is pretty much what this Kuga seems to be.

I'm sure there'll be plenty who disagree with me and are prepared to show me the error of my ways, but I cannot think of any really good reasons to buy an MPV rather an estate.

900T-R

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287 months

Monday 26th May 2008
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The stupid thing is, every young family is led to believe they need one of those high-rise vehicles rather than an estate. Now for older folks, getting in and out of a low vehicle can be awkward and I can see why they would want to sit up higher. But the higher you are above the tarmac, the more impact the vehicle's roll and pitch movements have on you - and young kids especially are generally prone to being car sick quite easily...

Cue the 'model family' owning a normal car that colleagues asked to give a consumer's perspective on a trio of midsize MPVs they were doing a road test on. They hardly were a mile down the road when one of the children threw up in the car, a feat that was repeated by the other kid in one of the other people carriers later on the day. "Gosh, they've never done that before", quipped the mother...

Titan Simba

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Monday 26th May 2008
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900T-R said:
The stupid thing is, every young family is led to believe they need one of those high-rise vehicles rather than an estate. Now for older folks, getting in and out of a low vehicle can be awkward and I can see why they would want to sit up higher. But the higher you are above the tarmac, the more impact the vehicle's roll and pitch movements have on you - and young kids especially are generally prone to being car sick quite easily...

Cue the 'model family' owning a normal car that colleagues asked to give a consumer's perspective on a trio of midsize MPVs they were doing a road test on. They hardly were a mile down the road when one of the children threw up in the car, a feat that was repeated by the other kid in one of the other people carriers later on the day. "Gosh, they've never done that before", quipped the mother...
Estates 1 - MPV 0

andy_s

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289 months

Monday 26th May 2008
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Does it actually have four wheel drive? This was the criteria that I needed that led me into the MPV/SUV/4X$ market.

900T-R

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Monday 26th May 2008
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andy_s said:
Does it actually have four wheel drive? This was the criteria that I needed that led me into the MPV/SUV/4X$ market.
The ones we get here (The Netherlands) have - although lower-specced FWD variants will follow.

Lots of money for a small, non-premium softroader, though. eek

Twincam16

27,647 posts

288 months

Monday 26th May 2008
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900T-R said:
The stupid thing is, every young family is led to believe they need one of those high-rise vehicles rather than an estate. Now for older folks, getting in and out of a low vehicle can be awkward and I can see why they would want to sit up higher. But the higher you are above the tarmac, the more impact the vehicle's roll and pitch movements have on you - and young kids especially are generally prone to being car sick quite easily...

Cue the 'model family' owning a normal car that colleagues asked to give a consumer's perspective on a trio of midsize MPVs they were doing a road test on. They hardly were a mile down the road when one of the children threw up in the car, a feat that was repeated by the other kid in one of the other people carriers later on the day. "Gosh, they've never done that before", quipped the mother...
Also, I can't be the only one who thinks the MPV is also killing off the 'accidental petrolhead' - you know, the person who, despite never watching Top Gear or buying Autocar once in their life suddenly realises they quite like driving their semi-hot hatch fast, revelling in the handling and gunning through the gears? Or the bloke who, despite never really thinking about it, realises that his luxury-spec repmobile gives him a taste for luxobarges?

No, that all goes out of the window when MPV-family buy their first mobile child display case. No driver appeal at all, no chance of ever understanding why anyone actually likes cars, and the pendulum of public opinion on cars swings one inch further from 'indifference' towards 'loathing'.

davido140

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Monday 26th May 2008
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Titan Simba said:
but I cannot think of any really good reasons to buy an MPV rather an estate.
The ONLY reason would be if you needed 7 seats, which makes the mini MPV even more pointless as they have no more load space than a "normal" car, no more seats, worse economy, pain in the arse to park, and most likely more expensive insurance and possibly harsher depreciation.

Do Volvo (or anybody else) still do an estate with 2 seats in the boot? I remember those were great when I was a kid, if a friends dad had one we always had to sit in the back and wave at other drivers!



simba1

547 posts

230 months

Monday 26th May 2008
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There is a market out there and Ford is in the business to make money. Nissan had to rump up production of the Qashqai just to keep up with the demand for this pretend offroaders.

Ferg

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287 months

Monday 26th May 2008
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davido140 said:
The ONLY reason would be if you needed 7 seats,
Or 6.

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Twincam16

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Monday 26th May 2008
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davido140 said:
Do Volvo (or anybody else) still do an estate with 2 seats in the boot?
No they don't and I don't understand why. Surely it makes for a better car - the low CoG of a saloon, but with the layout of an MPV. It seems the Men In Suits have merely decided that 'you' either want an MPV or an SUV because they can't think of a TLA that describes the niche to which you refer.

I'd love to see a 7-seater M5 Touring though. Maybe if regulations really start to crack down hard on SUVs, some manufacturers would consider it. All it would take is a very slight stretch in the chassis.

I suppose the closest is the Ford S-Max, but it still looks far too much like an MPV for my liking, what with that 'can't possibly give it a bonnet in case the chattering-class mums at the school gate think it's phallic' front end.

davido140

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Monday 26th May 2008
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Ferg said:
davido140 said:
The ONLY reason would be if you needed 7 seats,
Or 6.

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smartarse!wink