Times opinion - A fascist proposal to improve road safety
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Did anyone read the Times opinion column by Ross Clark?
He has a real dig at online motoring communities, then uses two posts massively out of context to make all people who frequent them seem like BNP lunatics.
It wasn't here was it?
online abridged version
searched for this, but didn't see it
He has a real dig at online motoring communities, then uses two posts massively out of context to make all people who frequent them seem like BNP lunatics.
It wasn't here was it?
online abridged version
searched for this, but didn't see it
It will be a big surprise if this planned proposal (if and when it becomes law) has any beneficial impact on safety stats, unless they wait for a year with a blip upwards in casualties and the useless government use regression to the mean to justify their transport fascism. Oops can't say the F word now can we.
Hi Ross 
I've yet to read to read a more feeble supporting argument to these proposals.
Having said that, credit where it's due as that is quite some achievement since there have been some things, pretty much all statements from the government, that were seemingly written by high-functioning morons (ETA..of which you clearly aren't, so why the vitriol against people? Take it easy)
Thanks for a jolly good chuckle at the end of a demanding day.
Kisses.
is this where I implore you all to vote for the BNP now?
I've yet to read to read a more feeble supporting argument to these proposals.
Having said that, credit where it's due as that is quite some achievement since there have been some things, pretty much all statements from the government, that were seemingly written by high-functioning morons (ETA..of which you clearly aren't, so why the vitriol against people? Take it easy)
Thanks for a jolly good chuckle at the end of a demanding day.
Kisses.
is this where I implore you all to vote for the BNP now?
Edited by DrTre on Tuesday 10th March 18:07
some blurb said:
Ross Clark is a journalist who has written extensively for The Times, The Sunday Telegraph and Mail on Sunday. For some years he wrote a column in The Spectator entitled 'Banned Waggon' which exposed, week by week, the Government's obsession with stopping us doing things.
Blimey, what made him turn...?
CALM DOWN, CALM DOWN...IT'A A CAMERA, ROSS, NOT A GUNarticle says said:
....I am disappointed by the Conservatives' kneejerk opposition to what is the most sensible proposal to come out of the Government in months.
I agree actually..this is the most sensible thing the governments come out with in months. I wholeheartdly agree with the conservatives opposition to it mind you which should tell you my opinion on everything else the governments said.Dimski said:
Did anyone read the Times opinion column by Ross Clark?
He has a real dig at online motoring communities, then uses two posts massively out of context to make all people who frequent them seem like BNP lunatics.
It wasn't here was it?
online abridged version
searched for this, but didn't see it
online motoring fascists? Look no further than "Safe" Speed:He has a real dig at online motoring communities, then uses two posts massively out of context to make all people who frequent them seem like BNP lunatics.
It wasn't here was it?
online abridged version
searched for this, but didn't see it
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=...
aclivity said:
Dimski said:
Did anyone read the Times opinion column by Ross Clark?
He has a real dig at online motoring communities, then uses two posts massively out of context to make all people who frequent them seem like BNP lunatics.
It wasn't here was it?
online abridged version
searched for this, but didn't see it
online motoring fascists? Look no further than "Safe" Speed:He has a real dig at online motoring communities, then uses two posts massively out of context to make all people who frequent them seem like BNP lunatics.
It wasn't here was it?
online abridged version
searched for this, but didn't see it
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=...
Why do Newspapers print the opinions of a couple of journalists ?
I don't want to know their opinions, particularly when they don't have the intellect to back it up.
I want news from a newspaper.
I'm happy for a bit of wit and humour too.
But as for opinions, well i have enough of my own thanks !!
JOIN THE BNPjoke by the way dimwit
I don't want to know their opinions, particularly when they don't have the intellect to back it up.
I want news from a newspaper.
I'm happy for a bit of wit and humour too.
But as for opinions, well i have enough of my own thanks !!
JOIN THE BNPjoke by the way dimwit
Edited by Swilly on Tuesday 10th March 20:17
The vitriol in this country aimed at just about anyone/anything that a person doesn't agree with is getting to frightening levels.
Whatever happened to 'live and let live'?!? How did we become so bitter and resentful?
More importantly - is it any better (overall attitudes, not just road laws/enforcement) anywhere else?
Whatever happened to 'live and let live'?!? How did we become so bitter and resentful?
More importantly - is it any better (overall attitudes, not just road laws/enforcement) anywhere else?
havoc said:
The vitriol in this country aimed at just about anyone/anything that a person doesn't agree with is getting to frightening levels.
Whatever happened to 'live and let live'?!? How did we become so bitter and resentful?
More importantly - is it any better (overall attitudes, not just road laws/enforcement) anywhere else?
I agree entirely, it seems to have reached epidemic proportions - we're not sleepwalking into an intolorant police state type way of life, we're positively running towards it with open arms!Whatever happened to 'live and let live'?!? How did we become so bitter and resentful?
More importantly - is it any better (overall attitudes, not just road laws/enforcement) anywhere else?
If you're reading this Ross Clark, you are a knob. Do you actually think that local authorities will spend money raising the limit back to 60mph on good roads when the blanket limit has been reduced to 50mph if they can't be bothered to do the reverse for dangerouse roads?
You are a deluded knobber, not living in the real world.
You are a deluded knobber, not living in the real world.
havoc said:
The vitriol in this country aimed at just about anyone/anything that a person doesn't agree with is getting to frightening levels.
Whatever happened to 'live and let live'?!? How did we become so bitter and resentful?
More importantly - is it any better (overall attitudes, not just road laws/enforcement) anywhere else?
Probably not! But the sad facts are (as I see them) that the general population in all its forms sees themselves being inexorably coralled by this government and it seems to be happening almost like death by a thousand cuts, slowly little bits of our daily lives are curtailed (of course that does depend on your point of view, one man's meat and all that...) to the point where the frustration at being 'controlled' makes the recipient want to rebel and protest. Whatever happened to 'live and let live'?!? How did we become so bitter and resentful?
More importantly - is it any better (overall attitudes, not just road laws/enforcement) anywhere else?
Take Mr Clark's assertion in the article posted by the OP that all non-white lined roads (i.e. country roads - some lanes, some decent B roads etc) should be 30mph; how ridiculous, what would that do to journey times let alone pollution from higher emmissions from those longer journeys...the country (and countryside) would grind to a halt but the horse riders and cyclists and ramblers would love it but the petrolheads wouldn't and so the frustration at being controlled would boil over and there would confrontation etc. and vitriol. I once read that Blair finally delivered what previous labour leaders could not, a marketable social party that middle england could support (and would support) that would then enable labour to tweak the country to ensure a socialist rule and agenda ad infinitum. He made this social engineering acceptable and the vast majority of the population swallowed it, whether they will again with a non entity like Napoleon Brown in charge of the little pigs we'll have to wait and see but sure as eggs are eggs as long as the government keeps reducing what are perceived as personal freedoms; be they car driving, hunting or getting p*ssed or whatever your particular way of having fun is, people will be vitriolic in the defence of the things they see as fundamental to their way of life. All just my opinion of course
mybrainhurts said:
aclivity said:
Dimski said:
Did anyone read the Times opinion column by Ross Clark?
He has a real dig at online motoring communities, then uses two posts massively out of context to make all people who frequent them seem like BNP lunatics.
It wasn't here was it?
online abridged version
searched for this, but didn't see it
online motoring fascists? Look no further than "Safe" Speed:He has a real dig at online motoring communities, then uses two posts massively out of context to make all people who frequent them seem like BNP lunatics.
It wasn't here was it?
online abridged version
searched for this, but didn't see it
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=...
Safespeed forum post said:
These Corporate Nazi New Labour b
ds are intent on turning currently law abiding citizens into criminals,
<... snip ...>
If you really want to ps off these incompetent politicians vote BNP at the forthcoming EU elections, forget UKIP they have been proven to be just a corrupt as the rest of them.
Compared to the original linked article on the Times website:ds are intent on turning currently law abiding citizens into criminals, <... snip ...>
If you really want to p
s off these incompetent politicians vote BNP at the forthcoming EU elections, forget UKIP they have been proven to be just a corrupt as the rest of them.Linked Times Article said:
“These corporate Nazi New Labour bds are intent on turning law-abiding citizens into criminals,” began one of hundreds of angry posts on the website of a prominent motorists' pressure group yesterday - before, bizarrely, imploring his fellow petrolheads to vote for the British National Party.
so, I am saying, and in the link, proved, that the journalist was referring to Safe speed. ds are intent on turning law-abiding citizens into criminals,” began one of hundreds of angry posts on the website of a prominent motorists' pressure group yesterday - before, bizarrely, imploring his fellow petrolheads to vote for the British National Party. Criticise safe speed? There is no need, it's a joke now.
Ross Clarke said : "lop 10 mph off the speed limit on country lanes"
And there is the problem, he fail to realise that the majority of the roads affected are not "country lanes" but good well made wide roads that can be used safely at 60 mph. putting the limit at 50mph is going to be used to raise revenues because the wonks in charge of policy know 50 is too slow and they will make a mint.
That is what i am annoyed about, the duplicitous way a revenue raising plan is marketed as safety.
And there is the problem, he fail to realise that the majority of the roads affected are not "country lanes" but good well made wide roads that can be used safely at 60 mph. putting the limit at 50mph is going to be used to raise revenues because the wonks in charge of policy know 50 is too slow and they will make a mint.
That is what i am annoyed about, the duplicitous way a revenue raising plan is marketed as safety.
I think it's just the newspapers adapting to the web era - it's no surprise that most of these "opinion" pieces (for which read "factless conjecture", usually) tend to turn up on a paper's online presence far more frequently than they do in print.
The point is, if you put up something sensible, reasoned and well-researched, a few people might nod their heads and go, "Mmm, that's interesting."
If you lob up a heab of confrontational ste, and especially if you go about it deliberately trying to raise the hackles of a large community, it's almost guaranteed you'll get hits and article comments like nobody's business, even if most of the reaction is negative.
It's just like agrown-up version of a teenage goth's LiveJournal drama, except with a national newspaper as the culprit!
The point is, if you put up something sensible, reasoned and well-researched, a few people might nod their heads and go, "Mmm, that's interesting."
If you lob up a heab of confrontational s
te, and especially if you go about it deliberately trying to raise the hackles of a large community, it's almost guaranteed you'll get hits and article comments like nobody's business, even if most of the reaction is negative.It's just like a
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