Why can't cars gearbox be like motorbikes?
Discussion
Since I started riding a motorbike a couple of years ago, I've come to love the gearbox on a bike as it's much like a manual car with
clutch but it's sequential rather than an H pattern shift. As I hate DSG/SMG type gearboxes with a passion - just seems like a glorified
auto box with manual override so you never feel 100% in control. I wish that manufacturers would offer cars with a sequential box.
Why do they not offer it in mainstream cars?
clutch but it's sequential rather than an H pattern shift. As I hate DSG/SMG type gearboxes with a passion - just seems like a glorified
auto box with manual override so you never feel 100% in control. I wish that manufacturers would offer cars with a sequential box.
Why do they not offer it in mainstream cars?
. i used to find it hard to select neutral, 1st time, everytime, on my bikes,
like said above, people wouldn't put up with it.
imagine them old farts on sunday afternoons, the're bad enough with
an auto.
sorry if there's any old farts here, i wasn't talking about you,
i was talking about all the others, hehehe
like said above, people wouldn't put up with it.
imagine them old farts on sunday afternoons, the're bad enough with
an auto.
sorry if there's any old farts here, i wasn't talking about you,
i was talking about all the others, hehehe
taldo50 said:
correct me if im wrong, but dont rally cars use this technology? seems to work for them? I too being a biker quite like the idea!
Yes, but then a friend of mine who is a very well known and respected rally driver has gone through his sequential box o his Super1600 a couple of times now- he had to work out whether to shift on full bore, trailing throttle or part throttle. They are great for some situations but for daily driving a DSG box will be 99% as good and 5 times easier as well as 10 times more reliable.
pugwash4x4 said:
taldo50 said:
correct me if im wrong, but dont rally cars use this technology? seems to work for them? I too being a biker quite like the idea!
Yes, but then a friend of mine who is a very well known and respected rally driver has gone through his sequential box o his Super1600 a couple of times now- he had to work out whether to shift on full bore, trailing throttle or part throttle. They are great for some situations but for daily driving a DSG box will be 99% as good and 5 times easier as well as 10 times more reliable.
pugwash4x4 said:
taldo50 said:
correct me if im wrong, but dont rally cars use this technology? seems to work for them? I too being a biker quite like the idea!
Yes, but then a friend of mine who is a very well known and respected rally driver has gone through his sequential box o his Super1600 a couple of times now- he had to work out whether to shift on full bore, trailing throttle or part throttle. They are great for some situations but for daily driving a DSG box will be 99% as good and 5 times easier as well as 10 times more reliable.
to preserve the longevity I'm sure. The thing which I don't like about DSG/SMGs is that without the clutch normal everyday stuff like reversing inch by inch
or pulling off can be a pain.
amare32 said:
When I ride my GSXR, I never bother with clutchless shifts as I don't want to risk lunching the gearbox. So you can do the same with a car sequential box
.
Clutchless shifts are easier on the gearbox. It just slips in naturaly smooth as silk. less mechanical stress than engaging and dissengaging the clutch with the differentionals in engine revs and gear box that occur..
Pesty said:
amare32 said:
When I ride my GSXR, I never bother with clutchless shifts as I don't want to risk lunching the gearbox. So you can do the same with a car sequential box
.
Clutchless shifts are easier on the gearbox. It just slips in naturaly smooth as silk. less mechanical stress than engaging and dissengaging the clutch with the differentionals in engine revs and gear box that occur..
AFAIK DSG is a sequential manual gearbox but it is two separate manual gearboxes each with their own clutch whereas SMG is just a modified H-pattern gearbox.
I guess normal cars don't have true sequential manual gearboxes because of cost, longevity plus occasional issues finding a gear when not moving.
I guess normal cars don't have true sequential manual gearboxes because of cost, longevity plus occasional issues finding a gear when not moving.
Edited by 130R on Saturday 21st March 00:43
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