An epidemic of insanely slow drivers
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For me it’s the amount of drivers now on their phones, just at the lights watching Tik Toks and missing when the traffic lights turn green. The amount of drivers I see now with phones in holders on the dash with YouTube/Tik Tok videos is insane.
Motorway driving has become laughable due to the amount of middle lane 65mph drivers.
Uber drivers constantly not knowing where they are so drive at a snails pace to figure out their bearings rather then pulling over to check.
Motorway driving has become laughable due to the amount of middle lane 65mph drivers.
Uber drivers constantly not knowing where they are so drive at a snails pace to figure out their bearings rather then pulling over to check.
I've not read 70+ pages of this, but the topic certainly resonates.
My summation is, it is stupidity. And specifically, people that don't know what road signs mean.
I travel along a 3 mile road every day (Knutsford Road from Alderley, until it becomes Hall Lane in Mobberley, where I turn off, if you know the area), there and back at least once, sometimes twice, on the way to my gym.
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
At least half the drivers do c35-40mph on the entire 3 mile stretch, oblivious to the speed limit. Most of the rest stick at 30 for the whole duration, will wave furiously or flash lights if you overtake in the NSL section (only really one real overtaking spot).
Twice, someone has followed me into the gym car park (one a gym member, the other a resident of the houses on the same complex) and made comments about my 'speeding', neither knew the NSL sign meant NSL, nor that it meant 60mph on that road.
The other reason is that w
ker organisations like 'BRAKE' have sought to dumb down the entire population to think that 'Speed Kills' and that if you drive slowly you are safe, ignoring the fact that only about 5% of RTCs are caused by speeding..... this means that Karen, driving her Toyota Enema, sits at 30mph while she juggles her phone, make-up, eating sweets between glugs of a Venti-Mocha-Frappa-Latte from the 7l Stanley Cup nestled between her obese thighs whilst shouting at her 4 kids in the back....but she thinks she is 100% safe and an exemplary driver *because* she is doing 30mph.
My summation is, it is stupidity. And specifically, people that don't know what road signs mean.
I travel along a 3 mile road every day (Knutsford Road from Alderley, until it becomes Hall Lane in Mobberley, where I turn off, if you know the area), there and back at least once, sometimes twice, on the way to my gym.
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
At least half the drivers do c35-40mph on the entire 3 mile stretch, oblivious to the speed limit. Most of the rest stick at 30 for the whole duration, will wave furiously or flash lights if you overtake in the NSL section (only really one real overtaking spot).
Twice, someone has followed me into the gym car park (one a gym member, the other a resident of the houses on the same complex) and made comments about my 'speeding', neither knew the NSL sign meant NSL, nor that it meant 60mph on that road.
The other reason is that w
ker organisations like 'BRAKE' have sought to dumb down the entire population to think that 'Speed Kills' and that if you drive slowly you are safe, ignoring the fact that only about 5% of RTCs are caused by speeding..... this means that Karen, driving her Toyota Enema, sits at 30mph while she juggles her phone, make-up, eating sweets between glugs of a Venti-Mocha-Frappa-Latte from the 7l Stanley Cup nestled between her obese thighs whilst shouting at her 4 kids in the back....but she thinks she is 100% safe and an exemplary driver *because* she is doing 30mph.Pookie123 said:
For me it’s the amount of drivers now on their phones, just at the lights watching Tik Toks and missing when the traffic lights turn green. The amount of drivers I see now with phones in holders on the dash with YouTube/Tik Tok videos is insane.
Motorway driving has become laughable due to the amount of middle lane 65mph drivers.
Uber drivers constantly not knowing where they are so drive at a snails pace to figure out their bearings rather then pulling over to check.
Around my way, just outside M25, in a queue at the lights, any more than 4 cars will likely have one Motorway driving has become laughable due to the amount of middle lane 65mph drivers.
Uber drivers constantly not knowing where they are so drive at a snails pace to figure out their bearings rather then pulling over to check.
who doesn’t notice when they turn green.And others seem to move off rather reluctantly as if driving the car is a bit of an interruption to what they are really doing.
Hoofy said:
bigothunter said:
tim jb said:
Get these turds off the road.
I agree 
But there's not a hope in hell. These 'turds' fit the culture and align with the widespread imposition of 20mph limits (37% of all roads in Wales).
The future is slow - Get used to it...
What percentage of those roads are now 20mph?
Julian Scott said:
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The other reason is that wker organisations like 'BRAKE' have sought to dumb down the entire population to think that 'Speed Kills' and that if you drive slowly you are safe, ignoring the fact that only about 5% of RTCs are caused by speeding..... this means that Karen, driving her Toyota Enema, sits at 30mph while she juggles her phone, make-up, eating sweets between glugs of a Venti-Mocha-Frappa-Latte from the 7l Stanley Cup nestled between her obese thighs whilst shouting at her 4 kids in the back....but she thinks she is 100% safe and an exemplary driver *because* she is doing 30mph.
Agree, there's too much emphasis on roads being safe. The message should be that roads are dangerous and people should pay attention or they may be hurt or killed. The other reason is that w
ker organisations like 'BRAKE' have sought to dumb down the entire population to think that 'Speed Kills' and that if you drive slowly you are safe, ignoring the fact that only about 5% of RTCs are caused by speeding..... this means that Karen, driving her Toyota Enema, sits at 30mph while she juggles her phone, make-up, eating sweets between glugs of a Venti-Mocha-Frappa-Latte from the 7l Stanley Cup nestled between her obese thighs whilst shouting at her 4 kids in the back....but she thinks she is 100% safe and an exemplary driver *because* she is doing 30mph.bigothunter said:
Hoofy said:
That's interesting. There's a lot of outrage over the 20 limit in Wales but 10 seconds ago I learnt it's not the entirety of Wales but just 37% of it! Most of London's roads are 20mph and since I live inside the M25, 99% of my journeys are under 20mph (my average speed reads 18mph) so I'm experiencing the same as you but there is no outrage over it. We just suck it up.
The M4 in Wales isn't limited to 20 mph, yet 
Hoofy said:
bigothunter said:
tim jb said:
Get these turds off the road.
I agree But there's not a hope in hell. These 'turds' fit the culture and align with the widespread imposition of 20mph limits (37% of all roads in Wales).
The future is slow - Get used to it...
Julian Scott said:
I've not read 70+ pages of this, but the topic certainly resonates.
My summation is, it is stupidity. And specifically, people that don't know what road signs mean.
I travel along a 3 mile road every day (Knutsford Road from Alderley, until it becomes Hall Lane in Mobberley, where I turn off, if you know the area), there and back at least once, sometimes twice, on the way to my gym.
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
At least half the drivers do c35-40mph on the entire 3 mile stretch, oblivious to the speed limit. Most of the rest stick at 30 for the whole duration, will wave furiously or flash lights if you overtake in the NSL section (only really one real overtaking spot).
Twice, someone has followed me into the gym car park (one a gym member, the other a resident of the houses on the same complex) and made comments about my 'speeding', neither knew the NSL sign meant NSL, nor that it meant 60mph on that road.
The other reason is that wker organisations like 'BRAKE' have sought to dumb down the entire population to think that 'Speed Kills' and that if you drive slowly you are safe, ignoring the fact that only about 5% of RTCs are caused by speeding..... this means that Karen, driving her Toyota Enema, sits at 30mph while she juggles her phone, make-up, eating sweets between glugs of a Venti-Mocha-Frappa-Latte from the 7l Stanley Cup nestled between her obese thighs whilst shouting at her 4 kids in the back....but she thinks she is 100% safe and an exemplary driver *because* she is doing 30mph.
Well said that man. Spot on.My summation is, it is stupidity. And specifically, people that don't know what road signs mean.
I travel along a 3 mile road every day (Knutsford Road from Alderley, until it becomes Hall Lane in Mobberley, where I turn off, if you know the area), there and back at least once, sometimes twice, on the way to my gym.
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
At least half the drivers do c35-40mph on the entire 3 mile stretch, oblivious to the speed limit. Most of the rest stick at 30 for the whole duration, will wave furiously or flash lights if you overtake in the NSL section (only really one real overtaking spot).
Twice, someone has followed me into the gym car park (one a gym member, the other a resident of the houses on the same complex) and made comments about my 'speeding', neither knew the NSL sign meant NSL, nor that it meant 60mph on that road.
The other reason is that w
ker organisations like 'BRAKE' have sought to dumb down the entire population to think that 'Speed Kills' and that if you drive slowly you are safe, ignoring the fact that only about 5% of RTCs are caused by speeding..... this means that Karen, driving her Toyota Enema, sits at 30mph while she juggles her phone, make-up, eating sweets between glugs of a Venti-Mocha-Frappa-Latte from the 7l Stanley Cup nestled between her obese thighs whilst shouting at her 4 kids in the back....but she thinks she is 100% safe and an exemplary driver *because* she is doing 30mph.The number of people entering dual carriageways at 35-40mph - despite the slip road being a good half a mile long - is ridiculous. These people invariably have no lights on when light fades, wipers working overtime when it isn't raining, and you know these feckless morons never indicate or even check their mirrors. But so long as they're not speeding, they are safe, aren't they?
I'm not driving god - and I drive a 1.0l Fiesta - but the amount of people in brand new BMWs, Mercedes etc that hold me up wishing to do the speed limit, is rage-inducing.
Please pull your head out of your arse and either speed up or pull over and let competent drivers pass.
swisstoni said:
bigothunter said:
FNG said:
It’s almost as though the majority of the area inside the m25 is urban and warrants lower speed limits than the open countryside you might find in places outside of the m25.
Twenty is Plenty... 
Just come down a slip road onto the A421 heading towards MK, road is a 70, up in front is a car on the slip road, checked mirrors there is a HGV doing 56 in the first lane so we both need to make progress... caught the car up extremely quickly in front hes doing best part of 45mph so we both have to stop and wait as the HGV cant move out as there is something in the lane next to him.
Julian Scott said:
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
"for about a mile and a half"Not in the spirit of this thread, are you!
Why bother to speed up to 60? Have you worked out how much time that saves you?!
There was a time when the IAM (and others) wanted you to be ready to accelerate at the NSL sign, and do as you do. But not now. We are supposed to be saving the planet.
Julian Scott said:
I travel along a 3 mile road every day (Knutsford Road from Alderley, until it becomes Hall Lane in Mobberley, where I turn off, if you know the area), there and back at least once, sometimes twice, on the way to my gym.
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
I've just "walked" along there on Google Streetview and the NSL signs are not obvious - can you post a link to the point it changes?It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
There just maybe a lot more people on the roads today that have no interest in driving or in cars, compared to 30 years ago.
Certainly feels like it.
When I started, err over 45 years ago, it was much much rarer to have a new car so we were driving, and riding stuff from the 70s/60s/50s. You had to know how they worked so you could fix them, often.
Thus I believe a lot more drivers were enthusiasts and took pride in their ability to drive.
Today, any Tom, Dick or Harriet can drive and they don't even have to know how their cars work.
Most don't even know how to change a tyre.
Certainly feels like it.
When I started, err over 45 years ago, it was much much rarer to have a new car so we were driving, and riding stuff from the 70s/60s/50s. You had to know how they worked so you could fix them, often.
Thus I believe a lot more drivers were enthusiasts and took pride in their ability to drive.
Today, any Tom, Dick or Harriet can drive and they don't even have to know how their cars work.
Most don't even know how to change a tyre.
Pookie123 said:
For me it’s the amount of drivers now on their phones, just at the lights watching Tik Toks and missing when the traffic lights turn green. The amount of drivers I see now with phones in holders on the dash with YouTube/Tik Tok videos is insane.
Indeed, just the other day I was in slow moving traffic and watched the car to my right roll by and the guy behind the wheel had his phone in 'landscape' position with Youtube on, moreso he was actually scrolling down the list of videos to pick his next watch.One of my colleagues was car sharing for a while and decided to buy himself a cheap runaround in the end, the last straw was that the guy who was doing the driving was sat swiping on Tinder whilst in slow moving traffic.
Monkeylegend said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
If you have been dawdling for 15 years, heaven only knows, how many other people whose journeys you have delayed and disrupted, but shockingly, you seem to be proud of what you say you have done.
I have been winding you up, report me, I should be banned for breaking PH rules I therefore don't call for people who don't agree with me, to be banned, It does not matter what the subject, who the person posting it is, or what their particular viewpoint is, there will always be others, who will have a diametrically opposed viewpoint. That is the nature of PH.
bigothunter said:
tim jb said:
Get these turds off the road.
I agree But there's not a hope in hell. These 'turds' fit the culture and align with the widespread imposition of 20mph limits (37% of all roads in Wales).
The future is slow - Get used to it...
Humans have been trying to go faster, or find ways of going faster, since they discovered that it was always the slow ones, who got caught, and eaten.
First they discovered that by jumping on the back of another animal, they could travel faster, and further, than they could when using their own feet.
Then they discovered that by inventing, and using things called steam trains, they could go faster, and further (and carry more) than they could by using animals.
Next they discovered that by inventing things called cars, they could go faster, further, and carry more, and do that, from where they actually lived to where they actually wanted to go.
They also invented powered ships, which let them do the same thing on the water.
Unbelievably, they then went on to invent, and use things called aircraft, which let them get from point A to point B, even faster than any other of the methods they were inventing to move faster.
Some might even see that over centuries of human development, the trend has been, to find ways of going faster, so that going faster must be an intrinsic part of (most) humans DNA.
We now seem to be getting a rash of luddites, who want to rail against normal human nature, and its need to find ways of travelling faster, and want us all to go back to travelling slowly (or not even travel at all?) perhaps they would prefer it, if they could take us all back to the speed of the stone age?
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 15th May 10:07
M4cruiser said:
Julian Scott said:
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
"for about a mile and a half"Not in the spirit of this thread, are you!
Why bother to speed up to 60? Have you worked out how much time that saves you?!
There was a time when the IAM (and others) wanted you to be ready to accelerate at the NSL sign, and do as you do. But not now. We are supposed to be saving the planet.
Your wrong and it's inconsiderate bad driving. If the authorities wanted you to do 30 in that section they wouldn't have it as NSL.
M4cruiser said:
Julian Scott said:
I travel along a 3 mile road every day (Knutsford Road from Alderley, until it becomes Hall Lane in Mobberley, where I turn off, if you know the area), there and back at least once, sometimes twice, on the way to my gym.
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
I've just "walked" along there on Google Streetview and the NSL signs are not obvious - can you post a link to the point it changes?It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
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