muppets who get shirty when you wont drop the price of a car
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I am selling a car at the moment. Its a bit specialist, but its a really nice example and is in near perfect condition. I have advertised it at perhaps the top end of what its worth, and stated no offers. I am in no hurry or need to sell.
I have had a few Emails and phone calls making me offers, some silly, but I politely say no thanks, not a problem, you can kind of respect people for giving it a try.
I have had 2 people to come and look at it now, and both have said its the best example they have seen, both have made offers, which I have declined. The first guy got a bit s
tty as he said it was a fair offer (£300 less than the asking price)... but went away after I said no, firmly.
The second guy who had travelled a fair way, offered me £1000 less in cash, there and then. I said no. He kept upping the offer until he was within £200 of the asking price, but I said "the price is the price - take it or leave it"
He got REALLY stty! Saying I was greedy and that it was the best offer I would get and I was a fool not to take it! He went on and on about the fact he never pays the asking price...!! he went after a while muttering "you will never get the asking price"
What is it with people? I told both people that I would only accept the asking price before they came. Didn't they understand "no offers"?
I hate selling cars.
I have had a few Emails and phone calls making me offers, some silly, but I politely say no thanks, not a problem, you can kind of respect people for giving it a try.
I have had 2 people to come and look at it now, and both have said its the best example they have seen, both have made offers, which I have declined. The first guy got a bit s
tty as he said it was a fair offer (£300 less than the asking price)... but went away after I said no, firmly.The second guy who had travelled a fair way, offered me £1000 less in cash, there and then. I said no. He kept upping the offer until he was within £200 of the asking price, but I said "the price is the price - take it or leave it"
He got REALLY s
tty! Saying I was greedy and that it was the best offer I would get and I was a fool not to take it! He went on and on about the fact he never pays the asking price...!! he went after a while muttering "you will never get the asking price"What is it with people? I told both people that I would only accept the asking price before they came. Didn't they understand "no offers"?
I hate selling cars.
Maldini35 said:
Have you ever paid the full asking price for a car?
I would probably be shirty if I'd come a long way to look at the car that was priced at top dollar and the seller wouldn't do a 'token' deal for £200 off.
You say you are in no hurry to sell which is fine but you seem to have a startling lack of understanding in how to sell cars. I'm not surprised you hate selling cars, it doesn't seem you're particularly adept at it.
Hold out for the full asking price by all means (and waste a lot of your free time showing punters around the car) but don't expect much sympathy on here.
(Bet you end up taking an offer after getting bored of seeing it sitting on your drive / taking up garage space)
Yes, I have paid the asking price for a car... on several occasions. I also negotiate heavily on a car whenever I can. But if a car is advertised as "no offers" I respect that and assume that the price is the price!I would probably be shirty if I'd come a long way to look at the car that was priced at top dollar and the seller wouldn't do a 'token' deal for £200 off.
You say you are in no hurry to sell which is fine but you seem to have a startling lack of understanding in how to sell cars. I'm not surprised you hate selling cars, it doesn't seem you're particularly adept at it.
Hold out for the full asking price by all means (and waste a lot of your free time showing punters around the car) but don't expect much sympathy on here.
(Bet you end up taking an offer after getting bored of seeing it sitting on your drive / taking up garage space)
What amazes me is the total arrogance of people like you that EXPECT someone to give you a "token" £200 off.
Tyre Smoke said:
Has anyone ascertained the car in question and the asking price?
No, and I wont be disclosing it on here! For one, the moderators will see it as me trying to get exposure on here on a car for sale and close the thread... And can you imagine how this thread would go if I told you what it was!!!
Lets just say I have had it a long long time... and its appreciating, not depreciating
Tyre Smoke said:
Not really.
There's plenty of 'have I priced this right?' threads.
It seems to me that you are being a bit 'up yourself' over this.
Most people put a car up for sale because they want to sell it. Anything that can be considered a 'major' purchase is usually subject to an offer or haggling if you prefer.
Either you want to sell the car or you don't. If you want to sell it, then be prepared for offers - which purchasers will deem to be fair, to be made. Don't come on here expecting the vast majority to side with you.
If you make it clear, politely to any potential purchaser that you will not haggle and the ticket price is the price no matter what, expect your viewings to drop.
Why not at least tell us what you are selling? Is it a case you need a secret handshake before you will divulge anything?
no secret hand shakeThere's plenty of 'have I priced this right?' threads.
It seems to me that you are being a bit 'up yourself' over this.
Most people put a car up for sale because they want to sell it. Anything that can be considered a 'major' purchase is usually subject to an offer or haggling if you prefer.
Either you want to sell the car or you don't. If you want to sell it, then be prepared for offers - which purchasers will deem to be fair, to be made. Don't come on here expecting the vast majority to side with you.
If you make it clear, politely to any potential purchaser that you will not haggle and the ticket price is the price no matter what, expect your viewings to drop.
Why not at least tell us what you are selling? Is it a case you need a secret handshake before you will divulge anything?
Its just that when I do a search on here, Ebay and Autotrader only 5 - 6 of this particular car are for sale at the moment, and 3 of those are restoration jobs... It would be easy to see which one it was...and then worms, tin, open!
Great Pretender said:
buzzer said:
I am in no hurry or need to sell.
But yet your car is for sale; ergo you obviously want/need to sell it.I can't help but think (notwithstanding lack of info you have provided) that you are being a tad unreasonable in your appraisal of the potential buyers. After all, if your car really was that good and really was worth what you are asking, then it is reasonable to assume that a buyer might well pay the extra £200 to get the perfect car. Besides, you've explained that two people have bothered their respective arses to view your car; it's not like the general public is bettering down your door is it?
yet people are still so arrogant to turn up and expect me to drop my price!
Maldini35 said:
doogz said:
Congratulations on missing the point entirely
On the contrary, the OP was obviouysly annoyed to receive an offer in the first place. A punter then getting shirty would obviously never help the situation and cannot be condoned but can be understood if the offer was reasonable."I have had a few Emails and phone calls making me offers, some silly, but I politely say no thanks, not a problem, you can kind of respect people for giving it a try."
How can it be understood? the price is the price, It was clear in the advert, I told them over the phone that I was not prepared to haggle... how can you not understand that unless you are so arrogant to think that you are such a good negotiator...
And what is reasonable, a car price is very subjective... particularly when there are so few of these for sale so to set a benchmark.
Wasn't you that came was it?
Fox- said:
Amazing.
So OP wants to sell his car, with NO OFFERS, for £1500 more than you'd expect to pay for the same car from a dealer.
And he's wondering why potential buyers are irritated he won't take less for it?
How have you cone to the conclusion that I am asking £1500 more than its worth? you don't know what it is!So OP wants to sell his car, with NO OFFERS, for £1500 more than you'd expect to pay for the same car from a dealer.
And he's wondering why potential buyers are irritated he won't take less for it?
For the record, I have owned it for over 20 years...
There are only 5 - 6 of these for sale at the moment that I can find, and some of these are restoration cases. Mine is near MINT, none of the others are. This makes estimating the price of the car VERY difficult. In the past 12 months only a handful have sold, and no where near the condition of mine, so there is no benchmark.
I don't need to sell it, I don't need the cash and I don't need the space.
Its appreciating not depreciating, so its probably better than cash in a building society at today s rates.
Hence, I have stated in the advert no offers. I have been absolutely clear to two people BEFORE they come to view it that I will not haggle, and the price is the price. yet they still get s
tty when I say no to a lower offer!! It was like the second guys pride was hurt when I would not negotiate!As for knocking £200 off just to get a sale... are none of you guys in business? that's £200! As a percentage of the cars worth is fairly low, but its still £200 and in the end, I will get my price.
The whole point on my post is that people don't read or listen or are so arrogant that they think they are a fantastic negotiator!
TOENHEEL said:
So you lost a sale in the middle of a recession on a strongly priced car for the sake of £200...
As its a recession, you should be looking to maximise what you get... I lost that sale, but others will come along and I will get my asking price...I guess your not in business are you
As it happens I have just had an email from a guy in Holland who wants to come over to see the car. I sent him some high res photos a couple of days ago and he is keen and has asked that I keep the car until the weekend, which I will. Again I have spoken on the phone to him and told him the price is non negotiable, he seems a really nice guy and at says he understands where I am coming from. I hope he buys it, I would like it to go to a good home rather than some arrogant muppet.
we will see.
Fox- said:
buzzer said:
I don't need to sell it, I don't need the cash and I don't need the space.
Seems a bit daft advertising it for sale then really doesnt it? Keep it? If you've had it 20 years then the decision to part with it must have been quite hard, and quite illogical given it appears you don't need either the money or the space?Maldini35 said:
I wish the OP the best. I don't enjoy selling cars either but I can't help feeling both he and the potential buyers he's had are being a little silly.
To travel a long way to view a good car and then leave in a huff over £200 is not very smart.
But then to try and buck the system with a no offers approach when you've priced the car at the top end (and potentially waste a lot of time showing people around the car without a sale) is also a tad daft.
Nice car though. I drove a friend's at Silverstone and was amazed at the pace.
but you don't know what the car is!!To travel a long way to view a good car and then leave in a huff over £200 is not very smart.
But then to try and buck the system with a no offers approach when you've priced the car at the top end (and potentially waste a lot of time showing people around the car without a sale) is also a tad daft.
Nice car though. I drove a friend's at Silverstone and was amazed at the pace.
WeirdNeville said:
It sounds to me like a classic case of someone who doesn't actually want to sell the car at all.
Put it up at a high price, refuse to negotiate and treat potential purchasers with contempt, then get all upset because people dare ask for a negligible amount of money off.
how do you know its a high price?Put it up at a high price, refuse to negotiate and treat potential purchasers with contempt, then get all upset because people dare ask for a negligible amount of money off.
I do want to sell, and will sell at a price I want for it....
how have I treated purchasers with contempt? I just told people what I wanted, said it was none negotiable. how is that treating people with contempt?
exactly the arrogant attitude people have come with
Maldini35 said:
buzzer said:
but you don't know what the car is!!
Busted.Go on, let us know what it is. Pleeeease.
So I tell you what it is... you look it up as there are so few for sale...
People on here start sucking their teeth and saying "you have over priced it" or "you should have asked more"
Then we will have 5 more pages of you guys slagging me off! (well some of you, the more savvy guys get my point!)
maz8062 said:
Perhaps the OP enjoys the interaction ]
you know... I do. When I said I hate selling cars, I should have qualified it. I hate selling cars to arrogant muppets.]I quite like selling cars to decent people. I have time on my hands (retired) and I do like the interaction.
The guy in Holland seems very interested, and seems a decent sort. I hope he buys it, its nice to sell to someone you like!
maz8062 said:
It's one of these cars;
Lancia Beta
Lancia Delta GTIE
Lancia Thema
Lancia Montecarlo
Laverda Jota
Westfield SEi
Toyota Celica
Caterham HPC
Elise 111R
Audi TT
Clio Trophy
My guess it's the Montecarlo
you must have time on your hands to do that amount of digging!Lancia Beta
Lancia Delta GTIE
Lancia Thema
Lancia Montecarlo
Laverda Jota
Westfield SEi
Toyota Celica
Caterham HPC
Elise 111R
Audi TT
Clio Trophy
My guess it's the Montecarlo
the Lancia went many years ago... I still have the Trophy, although its for sale, and the TT but there are several others in the garage!
Maldini35 said:
maz8062 said:
It's one of these cars;
Lancia Beta
Lancia Delta GTIE
Lancia Thema
Lancia Montecarlo
Laverda Jota
Westfield SEi
Toyota Celica
Caterham HPC
Elise 111R
Audi TT
Clio Trophy
My guess it's the Montecarlo
That is a great collection. I now see your point in not being in any rush to sell...Lancia Beta
Lancia Delta GTIE
Lancia Thema
Lancia Montecarlo
Laverda Jota
Westfield SEi
Toyota Celica
Caterham HPC
Elise 111R
Audi TT
Clio Trophy
My guess it's the Montecarlo
It did sell however for the full amount. The guy came over from Holland last Friday, he flew into Birmingham, took the train and I picked him up from the station. he looked all over the car and said he was pleased and it was as described and as he had seen in the high res pictures I had sent him. We went to my bank and he paid me cash inside the bank, and into my account. We had a bit of lunch, talked cars, and he set off to get the ferry home.
On Saturday he called me to say he had arrived safely back home after an uneventful journey, and was very pleased with the car. I had loaned him my old SatNav which he had already posted back to me.
I am glad I waited for the full price, but even more that I waited for the right buyer who I was happy to sell the car to, rather than some arrogant twonk who thought he was gods gift in negotiation!
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