Clio 172/182 Cup vs Golf Mk2 GTi vs 106 GTi
Discussion
Apparently like many others of these boards, the process of choosing my next car is long but enjoyable one. Despite only being 6 weeks into the ownership of my present vehicle, it's time to start pondering the next.
I commute by (pedal) bike, so it'll mainly be used as a runabout, for recreation, with the occasional long motorway slog and (hopefully and if funds allow) track day.
I've owned 3 cars in my motoring life, all of which were or are FWD. Before I make the switch to a 'pusher', I want to have a car that epitomises the FWD genre, with the emphasis firmly on fun. A final tribute to FWD if you will.
So, with that in mind, my requirements are as follows; first and foremostly it'll be a hot hatch, but more specifically it needs to be brimming with feedback, light on it's feet - not to bludgeon the road into submission like my current T5-dragged Volvo.
Other than communicative handling, my other main factor is running costs, not in terms of fuel, tax and insurance which I can plan for, but more the chance of bits going wrong, and the cost to mend.
I've narrowed to choices down to these as follows;
Renault Clio 172 Cup or 182 Cup
Pros:
Quickest in a straight line
Most modern in design
Cons:
Fattest tyres (poor feedback and less approachable limits)
Poor reputation for reliability
3 door
VW Golf (Mk2) GTi 5 door
Pros:
Practically of 5 doors
Retro-cool factor - best looks of the 3
Lack of power steering (I believe) and narrow tyres > good feedback
Cons:
Old > components closer to end of useful life > more expensive to run
Old > suspension past it's best > poor handling
Hardest to find a nice (rust free and unmodified) example
Peugeot 106 GTi
Pros:
Lightest and most 'chuckable'
Narrowest tyres (more approachable limits)
Low running costs?
Cons:
Not that quick in a straight line
Perceived quality
Comfort on motorway slogs
3 door
I commute by (pedal) bike, so it'll mainly be used as a runabout, for recreation, with the occasional long motorway slog and (hopefully and if funds allow) track day.
I've owned 3 cars in my motoring life, all of which were or are FWD. Before I make the switch to a 'pusher', I want to have a car that epitomises the FWD genre, with the emphasis firmly on fun. A final tribute to FWD if you will.
So, with that in mind, my requirements are as follows; first and foremostly it'll be a hot hatch, but more specifically it needs to be brimming with feedback, light on it's feet - not to bludgeon the road into submission like my current T5-dragged Volvo.
Other than communicative handling, my other main factor is running costs, not in terms of fuel, tax and insurance which I can plan for, but more the chance of bits going wrong, and the cost to mend.
I've narrowed to choices down to these as follows;
Renault Clio 172 Cup or 182 Cup
Pros:
Quickest in a straight line
Most modern in design
Cons:
Fattest tyres (poor feedback and less approachable limits)
Poor reputation for reliability
3 door
VW Golf (Mk2) GTi 5 door
Pros:
Practically of 5 doors
Retro-cool factor - best looks of the 3
Lack of power steering (I believe) and narrow tyres > good feedback
Cons:
Old > components closer to end of useful life > more expensive to run
Old > suspension past it's best > poor handling
Hardest to find a nice (rust free and unmodified) example
Peugeot 106 GTi
Pros:
Lightest and most 'chuckable'
Narrowest tyres (more approachable limits)
Low running costs?
Cons:
Not that quick in a straight line
Perceived quality
Comfort on motorway slogs
3 door
not260 said:
The standard tyre width on these cars are similar, 185 on the golf and pug and 195on the clio. Mk2 golfs don't perform or handle like the other 2.
I think you should get a 205 gti or a 309 gti failing that the clio is probably the best of your choices.
Didn't realise the tyre widths were so similar. In which case you can discount my arguments pertaining to them. I think you should get a 205 gti or a 309 gti failing that the clio is probably the best of your choices.
Not so keen on the 205 / 309 GTi as I've heard they're quite "snappy" at the limit.
Baryonyx said:
If you really like pressing on, you'll probably find FWD or AWD far better for making progress on UK roads than RWD.
I pressing on, but pressing on in relation to the capabilities of the car rather than overall journey time. My S60 T5 is all too capable in the respect, doesn't provide the 2-way interaction I crave, and rewards you with little at legal speeds.My first car was a classic mini, and in a way this is the kind of fun I'm after. Chuckable and communicative in equal measure - just this time something a little bigger, more practical and a lot more powerful.
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