Car scrapping incentive
Discussion
http://www.parkers.co.uk/News/Motoring-Costs/Car-s...
Interesting reading this - it would certainly help get rid of the s
t boxes we have on the roads.
This is a choice policy so classic cars would not be impacted in any way or if your P&J is a clapped out Cavalier 1.4L then thats fine BUT it gives the vast majority of old car owners a sensible choice.
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Interesting reading this - it would certainly help get rid of the s
t boxes we have on the roads.This is a choice policy so classic cars would not be impacted in any way or if your P&J is a clapped out Cavalier 1.4L then thats fine BUT it gives the vast majority of old car owners a sensible choice.
Views.
Orangecurry said:
Greeks have the best system - incentive to scrap BUT not tied to buying 'new'.
Therefore it helps 2nd-hand values, and so props-up the whole system.
Id agree this would be preferable to me. It would certainly focus people's mind as to the cost of the repair vs car value i.e. is it economically viable & would certainly get rid of the dodgy MOT failures. In addition as older cars are less secure car crime would fall - but flip side I guess it would cause more break ins to the house to steal the keys.Therefore it helps 2nd-hand values, and so props-up the whole system.
judas said:
This scheme will never get rid of the very bottom of the car food chain - all those rolling deathtraps that swap owners down the pub carpark for £50 a time. Often, the people running these kind of cars aren't going to be buying new no matter what, either because they'll never be able to afford it or because it would mean having to pay for tax and insurance too.
In any case, there are plenty of cars over 10 year old that are nowhere near ready for the scraphead - and that includes all four cars in our fleet!
I fully agree about the age 10 years is nothing perfectly fine cars at that age and even 15yo.In any case, there are plenty of cars over 10 year old that are nowhere near ready for the scraphead - and that includes all four cars in our fleet!
But your first point about cars swaping hands for £50 in the pub car park just would stop - reason (if you take Greece as an example) they would give you nearly £600-800 for it so you have a choice save up + the scrap Govt payout for your car then buy a £1.5k car run that until its dead then do the same again.
It would certainly sure up car prices
mat205125 said:
judas said:
This scheme will never get rid of the very bottom of the car food chain - all those rolling deathtraps that swap owners down the pub carpark for £50 a time. Often, the people running these kind of cars aren't going to be buying new no matter what, either because they'll never be able to afford it or because it would mean having to pay for tax and insurance too.
In any case, there are plenty of cars over 10 year old that are nowhere near ready for the scraphead - and that includes all four cars in our fleet!
I agree 100% with the above. Limiting this scheme to people buying new cars will not get rid of the dangerously unroadworth and uninsured death traps on the roadIn any case, there are plenty of cars over 10 year old that are nowhere near ready for the scraphead - and that includes all four cars in our fleet!
1 scrap value
2 scrap value + 2nd hand car allowence which is lets say no older than 10years old
3 ditto to number 2 but with cars of 5 years old
ops 4th - Scrap value + a new car allowence
Note as all the 2nd/new cal allowences would be CO/2 ratable you could encourage owners financially to opt for lower C02 vehicles - or zero for cars emmitting above a certain amount. That gives the buyer the choice.
danrc said:
What a load of rubbish. Its not about the age of a car, its about the condition. I have seen a 3 year Fiesta in far worse nick than my 10 year Bora. Why can't people get past the fact a car needs more than an MOT an service once a year to stay on the road for more than 5 years.
Its not an incentive people need, its education or better enforcement of the current rules.
Welshbeef, I think i remember you pushing for something like this last year in some thread. I appologise if its not you just something rings a bell.
I stated that it wasnt compulsory & I fully agree that ondition is the most important thing - I also think that a car should have an MOT from day 1 & tread depth legal limit should be more but thats a different issue.Its not an incentive people need, its education or better enforcement of the current rules.
Welshbeef, I think i remember you pushing for something like this last year in some thread. I appologise if its not you just something rings a bell.
The point here is that the owner can choose what to do. You might have a mid 80's Metro in Gold with brown interior full of rust but MOTable and still want to keep it even though the repairs and market value of it would make it non financially viable to do anything but scrap it BUT you have the choice.
My current car is 12 years old, 16years old & the other 11 years old - all are certainly not in the scrap yeard condition far from it & could easily see them doing a good 8 - 15 years again. BUT there comes a point whereby the cost of repairing the car and the cars available for sale which are far newer plays on your mind and unless you have a classic you change at some point.
chrisr29 said:
Welshbeef said:
http://www.parkers.co.uk/News/Motoring-Costs/Car-s...
Interesting reading this - it would certainly help get rid of the st boxes we have on the roads.
This is a choice policy so classic cars would not be impacted in any way or if your P&J is a clapped out Cavalier 1.4L then thats fine BUT it gives the vast majority of old car owners a sensible choice.
Views.
What a complete load of bInteresting reading this - it would certainly help get rid of the s
t boxes we have on the roads.This is a choice policy so classic cars would not be impacted in any way or if your P&J is a clapped out Cavalier 1.4L then thats fine BUT it gives the vast majority of old car owners a sensible choice.
Views.
ks! The reason for the majority of 'st boxes' on the roads is that that's all some people can afford! If the best they can manage is a 100 quid old nail how the hell they gonna be able to afford several hundred quid a month financing a new one!?k me you didnt read that link at all did you??Greece pay £600-800 for scrap cars. If you have a car thats on its last legs and a big repair bill coming along you can scrap it and get one for maybe £1.5k.
Why are you suggesting anyone gets finance?
Note several hundred a month financing assuming HP is going to be a £10k used car. I'd say they should go for a £1-1.5k car & if your taken the time to read my posts I said save up so then scrap value + savings = far newer car and no big repair issue.
Mr POD said:
Why would you want to scrap a car JUST because it's old ?
I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.
Thats the point you can choose to do so if you want to IT IS NOT COMPULSORY.I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.
I guess many people are skim reading all the posts.
Nolar Dog said:
Welshbeef said:
I fully agree about the age 10 years is nothing, perfectly fine cars at that age and even 15yo.
Excuse me! 
My little XR2 is 25 this year and in fabulous condition.
Just about to become my new daily driver for Spring.
Its up to the owner thats the beauty of it - ITS NOT COMPULSORY.
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
Maybe that puts the record straight & is clear enough
cheesesliceking said:
Welshbeef said:
Mr POD said:
Why would you want to scrap a car JUST because it's old ?
I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.
Thats the point you can choose to do so if you want to IT IS NOT COMPULSORY.I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.
I guess many people are skim reading all the posts.
whoami said:
Welshbeef said:
cheesesliceking said:
Welshbeef said:
Mr POD said:
Why would you want to scrap a car JUST because it's old ?
I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.
Thats the point you can choose to do so if you want to IT IS NOT COMPULSORY.I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.
I guess many people are skim reading all the posts.
raharley said:
So the used car market for cars <£600 will evaporate?
Thats the Greek model. What about the other models in the original link?What it means is any car which is very old and needs work doing to it you need to really think shall I buy a say £800 car instead - result I get £600 from the scrapping of this one which is shot/needing big work andthen buy one for £800 net cost £200.
If someone cannot afford £200.. they shouldnt have a car.
adycav said:
Welshbeef I've stuck up for you in the past but, not for the first time, you appear to be talking b0ll0cks.
I dont think anybody has read the link - it has many differing options which are actually being used in the EU countried & the reason for my post is that its being looked at by OUR transport minister... which could mean implications to us.Clearly noone here agrees with any issue used accross Europe - but noone has given an alternative.
Look at what happened when the price of Steel/metal went up you had scrap dealers at the auctions buying up cars up to c£300 and clearly they couldnt care less about condition it was purely weight. That was an issue which was raised in Autocar not that long ago basically saying that you just couldnt buy tank of fuel cost cars anymore. Times have changed somewhat over the last few months - but the long term issue remains, once were out of the depression (opps sorry recession) then were going to see the demand for metal increase again and be in the same scenario of scrap dealers buying up all the cheap bangers.
Marquis_Rex said:
I was going to do a seperate thread on this:
"German car buyers already enjoy a £2100 contribution when they trade-in an older car, while Spanish buyers are entitled to a £10,000 interest-free loan. The German dealers' organisation, ZdK, claims that this helps 200,000 more people into new cars."
My German friend phoned up from Germany absolutely irrate regarding the above.
After going over it, I cant say I blame him. Bascially it means that peoples taxes are being used ostessibly in the name of safety and the environment, where as really it's just wasting tax money. It's little suprise that decent earners in Germany waste 50% on income tax
It's funny how everyone is ready to criticise the US administration for their direct cash bail /stimulation to the auto industry- where as what Germany is doing is little different.
So basically anyone who doesnt trade in their (non classic or P&J) are losing out on this tax cut."German car buyers already enjoy a £2100 contribution when they trade-in an older car, while Spanish buyers are entitled to a £10,000 interest-free loan. The German dealers' organisation, ZdK, claims that this helps 200,000 more people into new cars."
My German friend phoned up from Germany absolutely irrate regarding the above.
After going over it, I cant say I blame him. Bascially it means that peoples taxes are being used ostessibly in the name of safety and the environment, where as really it's just wasting tax money. It's little suprise that decent earners in Germany waste 50% on income tax
It's funny how everyone is ready to criticise the US administration for their direct cash bail /stimulation to the auto industry- where as what Germany is doing is little different.Hmm seems silly to burden so many people with debt at a time like this.
Marquis_Rex said:
Welshbeef said:
cheesesliceking said:
Welshbeef said:
Mr POD said:
Why would you want to scrap a car JUST because it's old ?
I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.
Thats the point you can choose to do so if you want to IT IS NOT COMPULSORY.I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.
I guess many people are skim reading all the posts.
I own cars that vary from classic exotica to work horses, but I still think it's nice/fun that you can pick up bargain Rover 623is for knock down prices in the UK, or the fact I bought a totally road worthy Mercedes 280 TE (when I lived in the UK) complete with MOT for £50. I have no real desire to buy one of these right now, but I defend the right of people to do so.
Don't try to play richboy/snob. They're always people MUCH richer than you. What is your beef with old cars? Over and over- you harp on about lives being saved (on other threads) or unroadworthy cars, but they're excuses and seperate issues. Your issue is with older cars.
You would not have been able to pick up cars with MOT's for £50 within the last 18months due to the fact metal price was so high scrap dealers were buying anything to cash in. Hence my post & it being on TV that many of the cheap auction cars now just dont exist or they would be a min of £300.
The post you specifically reply to is a retort of mine to a rather rude comment to me oddly not constructive re the issue we could be facing as this is whats happening in Europe.
Maybe your head is nice & deep in the sand time to pull it out and have a good look around. The car industry is on its knees - with many supporting Business's in the UK ... the UK transport minister is seriously looking at plans the EU have... doesnt that ring Hello big boy this could be an issue for us?? If not I guess back to sleep with you.
900T-R said:
Welshbeef said:
Have I mistyped in a previous post in this thread?
Its up to the owner thats the beauty of it - ITS NOT COMPULSORY.
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
Maybe that puts the record straight & is clear enough
It does give a signal to car owners though - 'if your car is older than (insert arbitrary age limit) you are polluting our environment and you really should get rid, you peasant'.Its up to the owner thats the beauty of it - ITS NOT COMPULSORY.
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
Maybe that puts the record straight & is clear enough
Given stagnating household incomes in Europe and governments' tendency to be like Microsoft Windows (taking over ever more of your resources in order to 'operate' stuff no one ever felt needed to be operated) I'm left to wonder how realistic it is to scrap cars at a mere 10 years old, economically.
Didnt the Chealsea Tractor come about due to the fact on TV big SUV'sd/4x4's would be safer in an accident if they hit a small city car/...
Nolar Dog said:
Welshbeef said:
Nolar Dog said:
Welshbeef said:
I fully agree about the age 10 years is nothing, perfectly fine cars at that age and even 15yo.
Excuse me! My little XR2 is 25 this year and in fabulous condition.
Just about to become my new daily driver for Spring.
Happy to help.
chrisr29 said:
Welshbeef said:
raharley said:
So the used car market for cars <£600 will evaporate?
Thats the Greek model. What about the other models in the original link?What it means is any car which is very old and needs work doing to it you need to really think shall I buy a say £800 car instead - result I get £600 from the scrapping of this one which is shot/needing big work andthen buy one for £800 net cost £200.
If someone cannot afford £200.. they shouldnt have a car.
Most here seem very agressive about this link & I feel the same sadly it could be for us. One poster here even has restrictions on cars >12yo not allowed into the city's... Neatherlands... Greece cars scrapped for £600-800.
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I work in the automotive industry, and contributed to it for a long time in the UK.
I don't agree with rampant consuerism and believe that's why we're in this mess in the first place.
I also don't agree with legislating people into New cars. They should be enticed motivated of their own accord.
It may be a concept thats hard for you to comprehend, but that's called FREEDOM.
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Sorry to sound rude here - but it seems Reading is beyond your comprehension.
Every country in that link NOTHING IS COMPULSORY
Every country in that link NOTHING IS COMPULSORY
Every country in that link NOTHING IS COMPULSORY
Every country in that link NOTHING IS COMPULSORY
3 times is enough for it to sink??
In the Neatherlands one poster here states that cars >12yo cannot enter the city.
However to directly answer your point to entice them into it - well if you say live in Greece the scrap value is £600. So every car is worth £600 at the end of its life. IF your car say needs £400 worth of work done to it you wouldnt bother as you could get £600 for yours then buy another car up to the value of £1k without having the hassle of doing the work or if less than the £1k example then you'd be in profit - so there you go thats the incentive.
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