RE: Grinnall - more Scorpions!
RE: Grinnall - more Scorpions!
Wednesday 22nd August 2012

Grinnall - more Scorpions!

Scorpion IV on the up after move to new premises



British sports trike specialist Grinnall is promising to ramp up production of its neglected Scorpion IV four-wheeler after securing spacious new premises.

The Worcestershire-based firm first revealed the unique open-wheeler all the way back in 2000 after successfully transplanting the styling of its radical three-wheel Scorpion III. But lack of space in the farm-building factory and demand for the firm's BMW motorbike based trikes meant that production of this promising Caterham rival with its 1.8-litre turbo Audi engine never took off.

Scorpion III aiming for Euro approval
Scorpion III aiming for Euro approval
In fact, just three road-going versions exist, one of which is currently in the PistonHeads classifieds [pictured above] being sold by PHer ScorpKing at £22,500.

"We expect to ramp up production [of the Scorpian IV] to 20 a year, and we could make more than that," Mark Grinnall told us. The company moves to the one hectare site, also in Worcestershire, later this year with production starting in spring.

He's also expecting greater demand for the Scorpion III under plans to obtain European type approval for the car, which would massively increase its market reach.

The Scorpion IV costs £29,995 right now with 225hp from the mid-mounted Audi engine, although that can be increased to 300hp (as you'll find in the 2006 car advertised on PH). Boring out the reconditioned engines to two litres can take power to 500hp, which in a 680kg car should rattle the eyeballs nicely.

The potential for further bespoke tuning has been proven by Saab parts supplier Neo, which has a Scorpion running a 1.8-litre turbo Saab engine it says makes 420hp. Mark also tells us he has revised the geometry on the front suspension that should answer criticisms from some quarters that its handling didn't quite match the power levels.

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Gruffy

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7,212 posts

285 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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It's great to have more choice in this type of car, but isn't 680kg a bit on the heavy side for a topless roadster?

KDIcarmad

703 posts

177 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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I always wondered what happen to the 4 wheeled one! I like both, but the 3 wheeler is cheaper to own and run as it's classified as a motorbike. The 4 wheeler needs to be very good to sale against it sister model.

It seems that the 4 wheeler could be very good, very fast. Person I see the 4 wheeler as a KMT X-Bow rival more than a Seven. Funny they both use Audi engines and the Grinnall predates the X-Bow. I wonder if KTM had seen one. As a Seven rival it lack usability. No hood for weather protection offered, which every seven could be fitted with and no boot space. The hood is not a big problem as most seven's today lack a windscreen, but it is an option I would like to have. The boot or lack off is much harder to look pasted, it stops you use the car to goto the shops.

Frimley111R

18,856 posts

260 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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Great news! Nice to see a niche manufacturer doing well.

V8 FOU

3,023 posts

173 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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Good luck to them. always fancied the 3 wheeler.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to use a different engine in the 4 wheeler? It is a left field car, so an audi is a bit mainstream.....

Canningmister

33 posts

167 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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Saab didn't make a 1.8turbo engine, it must be a 2.0 unless they have somehow managed to squeeze in a 2.8...

MGZRod

8,176 posts

202 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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Canningmister said:
Saab didn't make a 1.8turbo engine, it must be a 2.0 unless they have somehow managed to squeeze in a 2.8...
Are you sure? Fairly sure my friend has a 1.8T 9-5?

Canningmister

33 posts

167 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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Yeah 1.8t is a 2.0 with the low pressure turbo. One of them silly things car manufacturers do Like the BMW 318s that can have either a 1.8 or 2.0 engine.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

216 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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Why is this car not featured in transformers? It already has a face with eyes, mouth and cheeky looking personality hehe


Gorbyrev

1,171 posts

180 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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Strikes me Grinall is a pretty good description of what PHers would be doing at the wheel of one of these!

EDLT

15,421 posts

232 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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Gruffy said:
It's great to have more choice in this type of car, but isn't 680kg a bit on the heavy side for a topless roadster?
The Audi engine is quite heavy iirc, and many 500kg kit cars actually weigh 600kg+

chrisironside

929 posts

188 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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Think the four four wheeler looks great. Hope it makes it into production and proves a success.

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SC00P

18 posts

194 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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Still remember the Grinnall Scorpion from the game TOCA Touring Cars 2 - brilliant bit of product placement for such a tiny manufacturer.

Dave Hedgehog

16,074 posts

230 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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Damn that's fugly

McSam

6,753 posts

201 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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SC00P said:
Still remember the Grinnall Scorpion from the game TOCA Touring Cars 2 - brilliant bit of product placement for such a tiny manufacturer.
yes That was excellent!

Anyway, best of luck to them, that engine sounds like a fantastic choice. Hope them being reconditioned ones rather than new doesn't put people off.

K2MDL

2,673 posts

245 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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Actually I think it looks great - each to their own of course.

Always wanted one but before the 4 wheeled version came out I drove a 3 wheeler for an hour. Couldn't wait to give it back. On UK roads the thing was so hard it shook me and the passenger to bits. Great on a track no doubt or indeed French glass smooth roads but terrible over here. Pity because I think the owner of the company is a great guy and the workmanship is excellent. Plus it's British!

Maybe they can offer softer springs and indeed they maybe better now. Still love the idea but then again I wanted a Calver too.....

This is as close as I got to a Grinnall:




FlossyThePig

4,141 posts

269 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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chrisironside said:
Think the four four wheeler looks great. Hope it makes it into production and proves a success.

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Where have you been? It's been in production since 2000.

jamespink

1,218 posts

230 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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I had a 3 wheeler 1200cc Grinnall some years back. It was GREAT! Very well resolved, sooo much fun chasing super bikes (little lifting for corners and brilliant brakes). There is little else that puts you closer to the action! All power to you Mark!

K2MDL

2,673 posts

245 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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FlossyThePig said:
chrisironside said:
Think the four four wheeler looks great. Hope it makes it into production and proves a success.

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Where have you been? It's been in production since 2000.
Read the story again.

skinny

5,269 posts

261 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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"lack of space in the farm-building factory and demand for the firm's BMW motorbike based trikes meant that production of this promising Caterham rival ... never took off"

does that mean too much demand, or lack of demand? could be taken either way.

i like the grinall iv, but think i still prefer the LCC rocket


it also appears to be quite similar to the brooke 260 double R, don't know if these are related in any way...?

KDIcarmad

703 posts

177 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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skinny said:
"lack of space in the farm-building factory and demand for the firm's BMW motorbike based trikes meant that production of this promising Caterham rival ... never took off"

does that mean too much demand, or lack of demand? could be taken either way.

i like the grinall iv, but think i still prefer the LCC rocket


it also appears to be quite similar to the brooke 260 double R, don't know if these are related in any way...?
I understand the Rocket was killed off by the banning of motorbike engines in production cars. Why a kit car manufacturer never took it on is a question that needs to be asked.

As to the two of them looking similar it's just they were both inspired by 1950's F1 cars.