RE: Hot hatch debate
Wednesday 16th May 2007

Hot hatch debate

Ever since the hot hatch was invented, car journos have argued about which ones hit the bullseye and which ones don’t. And rarely have they agreed. Steve Sutcliffe explains why.



Most of the time, most of us car journos think broadly the same things about the cars we drive and write about. Occasionally there might be disagreement over the ethics or logic behind the latest German uber-saloon, and sometimes one writer might like the styling of a particular car more than another. But, by and large, there is consistency within the industry when it comes to working out which cars are good, which cars are not so good, and which cars are no good whatsoever.

Mk 1 Golf GTi
Mk 1 Golf GTi
With one particular exception; the hot hatchback. Pretty much since the hot hatch was invented (and even this is a source of debate, some claiming it was Alfa Romeo who invented the breed with the AlfaSud, others reckoning the Mk 1 Golf GTi to be the first genuine hot hatch) car testers have argued in all sorts of directions about all sorts of different hot hatches. And, you suspect, we will continue to do so until the genre is no more.

Take, for example, the Peugeot 205 GTi. In its heyday Peugeot’s numero sacre was regarded by many as the holy grail of hot hatchdom. It was light, unusually powerful in 1.9-litre guise and, if you believed what some people wrote at the time, more fun to drive than most supercars.

Peugeot 205 GTi 1.9
Peugeot 205 GTi 1.9
Others, however, reckoned the 205 1.9 was borderline dangerous thanks to its tendency to swap ends if you backed away from the throttle in a bend. According to these people the 205 1.9 was naughtier on the limit than a 911 of the same era because when it went, it went fast. And it hardly ever came back. These same commentators also reckoned the cheaper, less powerful 205 XS was a better car to drive because it had sweeter steering, less edgy handling and even crisper throttle response.

Who was right? Who knows?

What we do know is that before and, predominantly, since then there have been countless hot hatches that have split opinion. And only one or two which have hit the bullseye on all fronts.

Most car hacks would agree, for example, that the Mk II Golf GTi was A Very Good Car, especially in 16v guise. Similarly, we’re all reasonably united in declaring the latest Mk V Golf GTi to be a welcome return to form from VW. But that’s just about where praise of the unanimous variety ends.

Ford Focus ST
Ford Focus ST
If there’s any kind of pattern to the cars that split opinion most keenly, it usually involves the more hardcore models. Cars like the Ford Focus RS, Peugeot 306 Rallye and the first generation Honda Civic Type R.

All these are cars that tend to be stamped with the label “not for the faint-hearted.” And that’s why, probably, they divide opinion more than most. Truth is, they are simply too manic for some writers to get on with. Which is why in one magazine or paper you’ll read that a car like the Focus RS suffers from wild torque-steer and is the four-wheeled equivalent of a rabid dog, while in another you might be told it’s one of the fastest, most exciting hot hatches ever created.

And in a way both sets of opinions are valid. Why? Because some drivers get a kick out of trying to master a car that’s fast but furious on the limit while others think life is too short to bother. In such specific instances a horses for courses verdict is the only one that’s sensible to deliver.

Renault Megane R26
Renault Megane R26
Nothing much has changed in the last few years. Take the way the latest crop of uber-hatchbacks has been received by the press. In the Sunday Times recently Jeremy Clarkson wrote of the Renault Megane R26 “You will have the sense that unless you hold on tight you will be in a tree…it’s like being in a room with a lion.” The article from which the quote is taken was headlined “A case of power corrupting absolutely.”

Yet in the same week Autocar’s testers put the Megane R26 top in a 14-car test of hot hatches. Autocar’s team was blown away by the Renault’s pure pace around a track and over winding B-roads, but they were also impressed by how civilised it was at the same time. And in the same month Evo magazine compared the R26 with all its key rivals and, once again, placed the Renault top of the crop.

“In the end” wrote Evo “ it comes down to a straight fight between the Volkswagen (Golf GTI) and Renault, and which one wins is decided simply by how feisty you want your hot hatch to be.”

Honda Civic Type R
Honda Civic Type R
It’s the new Civic Type R that’s attracted the most contravesy, though, because no one can make up their minds quite what to think about this wild and weird looking device. Never before has a hot hatch made the world of car journalism appear so divided.

Believe what they say in Evo and even within the pages of the same magazine there is clearly consternation. In a group test that contained the Megane R26 the Civic was deemed by Evo’s testers to fall “a long way short of the mark” on account of its “peculiar steering and inert balance.” It came last out of six cars.

Yet in the drive story that preceded Evo’s group test the writer claimed the Type R was “still properly hardcore.” And of the handling he wrote “…but the balance appears to be safe enough to allow you to tramp on without fear. And tramp on you will.”

Autocar is no less guilty of such apparent inconsistency. In its road test Autocar wrote of the Civic TR; “Like the manic Astra VXR, the Type R will have its fans, but we are not among them.” A couple of weeks later, though, Autocar group tested the Civic and claimed its steering and handling “seemed to click whenever the conditions underfoot got really tricky.” Overall they gave it a lukewarm thumbs up.

And in the same month as the above Car magazine also group tested the Type R against several key rivals and wrote “To drive the new Civic Type R is to find petrolhead nirvana. It will be remembered as one of the true greats.”


So who knows? The only thing that’s consistent whenever a manufacturer launches another thunder-hatch, it seems, is inconsistency.

Always has been, always will be.

Forever and ever A-men.

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Rob_F

Original Poster:

4,148 posts

290 months

Friday 8th June 2007
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Anyone want to run a book on how long it takes Mungo to whack off over the Cupra-R, and ASBO to propose marriage to Chris Harris because he also likes the Focus RS?

Cheers,
Rob. biggrin

jdelmo

5,108 posts

235 months

Friday 8th June 2007
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Ok, which idiot labelled the ST an RS in the pic above?

mechsympathy

58,009 posts

281 months

Friday 8th June 2007
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nerd

polus

4,343 posts

251 months

Friday 8th June 2007
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Rob_F said:
Anyone want to run a book on how long it takes Mungo to whack off over the Cupra-R
rofl

ASBO

26,140 posts

240 months

Friday 8th June 2007
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Rob_F said:
Anyone want to run a book on how long it takes Mungo to whack off over the Cupra-R, and ASBO to propose marriage to Chris Harris because he also likes the Focus RS?

Cheers,
Rob. biggrin
rofl

I've already asked him to marry me...

A very valid argument though, but one that can only reach anything near a conclusion, if you drive the things 1st wink

Cabinet Enforcer

503 posts

252 months

Friday 8th June 2007
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jdelmo said:
Ok, which idiot labelled the ST an RS in the pic above?
Oh come on, you can hardly tell the difference, the colours almost the same and the bodyshapes nigh on identical.


shoot

ASBO

26,140 posts

240 months

Friday 8th June 2007
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^^Oooh nice motor sir.

Mine's a blue one as well wink

jdelmo

5,108 posts

235 months

Friday 8th June 2007
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Cabinet Enforcer said:
jdelmo said:
Ok, which idiot labelled the ST an RS in the pic above?
Oh come on, you can hardly tell the difference, the colours almost the same and the bodyshapes nigh on identical.


shoot
Exactly.
shout Haymarket! I know my ST from my RS. Any jobs going?

bad_roo

5,194 posts

263 months

Friday 8th June 2007
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I'm going to give the Renault Clio 197 another try next weekend.

Really didn't understand all the praise for that car when it was first launched.

rallycross

13,717 posts

263 months

Friday 8th June 2007
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what a load of crap!

what is the point of this post?

In fact, what is the point of most of the articles written by the spotty teenagers at EVO mag anyway?

They couldnt even get their sweaty hands on the diffinitive version of the Mk1 Golf GTi. The one in the pic is a lame, late (heavy) version with a naff aftermarket body kit that makes its look cr@p.


flattotheboards

6,689 posts

232 months

Friday 8th June 2007
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this post is basically telling us what we already know - the not all car mags agree

mulletmark

1,181 posts

249 months

Saturday 9th June 2007
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rallycross said:
what a load of crap!

They couldnt even get their sweaty hands on the diffinitive version of the Mk1 Golf GTi. The one in the pic is a lame, late (heavy) version with a naff aftermarket body kit that makes its look cr@p.
IIRC the silver Mk1 in the pic is the official Volkswagen UK press car. But yes, the BBS bodykit and gold wheels do look a bit cr@p, don't they.

alextgreen

15,881 posts

268 months

Saturday 9th June 2007
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This article is like one of those cheesey clip shows The Simpsons did every so often in the umpteenth season :/

sprinter885

11,550 posts

253 months

Saturday 9th June 2007
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I guess it's a lesson never EVER to take any journos word for "best whatever" car. Just go out & try 'em for yourself. After all you journos live in a slightly priviledged high-octane, high value world of trying any car on the planet, sometimes for short other times,longer periods of time. You only get to know a car when you live with it day in day out. Thank heavens we're all different & enjoy a motor for different reasons hence there ain't no one car sold to every joe out there.

JagLover

46,452 posts

261 months

Saturday 9th June 2007
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The article makes a good point that some are looking for a really mental hot hatch while others(like me) just want a practical affordable car with decent performance.

OutKa5t

1 posts

282 months

Saturday 9th June 2007
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So PH is saying that its now sister magazine has dubious road testers that can't make thier mind up?


Chris71

21,549 posts

268 months

Saturday 9th June 2007
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jdelmo said:
Ok, which idiot labelled the ST an RS in the pic above?
SHOCK NEW RS BREAKS COVER ON PH!

It'll be in Autoexpress next week....

FestivAli

1,165 posts

264 months

Saturday 9th June 2007
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I like the dig at Clarkson. Sutcliffe (from Autocar I believe) having a go at a rival?

The best hatch in the world is the 1993 Ford Festiva Trio is how the article should have ended.

Ali.

warren182

1,091 posts

236 months

Saturday 9th June 2007
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Hot hatches must be one of the hardest performance cars to produce, all things to all people (most likely an only car), but affordable.

exgtt

2,067 posts

238 months

Saturday 9th June 2007
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Are there any fans of the Renault 5 GT Turbo on here? Ok the 205 was ultimatly better round corners, but when it comes to excitement there's ALOT in the GT's favour. Stupidly lightweight, no pas, no abs, big torque when tuned, tin foil bodywork and guaranteed serious injury in a crash, these little rockets are the pinnacle of this genre (my 2p!)
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