RE: New VW Golf GTI - official
RE: New VW Golf GTI - official
Wednesday 27th February 2013

New VW Golf GTI - pricing and more

Full details of the seventh-generation Golf GTI ahead of Geneva unveiling (now with price info!)



Surprise! The VW Golf GTI 'concept' revealed at Paris just last September was little more than a teaser - the new Mk7 Golf GTI will be revealed in production form next week at Geneva. We realised it wasn't really a concept of course - everyone knows it'd have needed crazy gullwing doors, a 50cc hybrid drivetrain and 25-inch wheels to make us believe that.

What, you were expecting a new look?
What, you were expecting a new look?
So this is the real thing, hot on the heels of the GTD announced last week. And with clearer ground between the 'proper' petrol GTI and its diesel equivalent than ever before. They may get the same plaid seats but that's about where the similarity ends.

If the styling is, to put it diplomatically, evolutionary there are significant developments as the GTI makes it onto VW's (soon to be) all-conquering MQB platform. Power gets a slight tickle to 220hp, with 258lb ft of torque and a choice - a choice! - of manual or DSG gearboxes.

In a break from tradition VW will also be offering a more powerful variant from the off, known as the Golf GTI Performance. No holding out for special editions this time then. This has the same torque, spread over a slightly wider power band, but gets an extra 10hp, slicing a tenth of the standard car's 6.5-second 0-62 time. It'll hit 155mph over the standard car's 152mph too. It also gets bigger brakes.

Active diff a big step up from the eLSD of old
Active diff a big step up from the eLSD of old
But the really significant upgrade is the VAQ active 'differential', basically a Haldex-style torque distribution device mounted twixt diff and right-hand driveshaft to give the GTI Performance the necessaries to go chasing Megane 265s. The Megane uses a traditional mechanical limited-slip diff and is half a second quicker to 62mph, the GTI's VAQ system again 'reactive' like the ESP-based XDS seen on other hot VW group cars (and the last GTI) but a lot more sophisticated in operation than simply braking the wheel with less grip and fully variable in torque distribution via a system of clutch packs. Whether it gives the GTI the same lightning reflexes as the Megane remains to be seen but a fully active, computer-controlled torque vectoring is sophisticated tech for a hot hatch and an impressive innovation.

Like the Megane, this gives GTI buyers the choice of a more comfort-oriented 'standard' spec or more focused set-up - equivalent to the Cup spec Megane we chose to run on the PH Fleet.

Other numbers? Well in manual form the standard GTI will record 139g/km and 47mpg which, after the mid to high 20s achieved with our Mk6 Edition 35 long-termer, should come as a big improvement. Weight is a reasonable 1,350kg (43kg less than the Megane 265) and the cost, yet to be confirmed here, will be 28,350 euros in Germany. That's 1,000 euros cheaper than the GTD but with GT-spec Golfs nudging £25K here don't be surprised if on the road prices begin with a three. UK cars do get standard 18-inch wheels though! Orders open at the end of March with UK deliveries beginning in June.



UPDATE:
Since we published VW has been in touch to confirm pricing and some other detail info. The new GTI starts at £25,845 for a three-door manual, the DSG version £27,260. The five-door is £26,500 for a manual, £27,915 for DSG. The GTI Performance version will be +£1,000 and gets vented rear disc rotors among the changes mentioned above. The wheels in the cars pictured are the optional 19-inch Santiago, UK cars getting the 18-inch 'Austin' wheels as standard. That's Austin as in Texas we're told, not Austin as in Allegro.

   
   
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Oddball RS

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1,757 posts

244 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Why is it that cars are becoming more like blobs of featureless melted plastic every week, but yet manufacturers are sticking on the naffest alloy wheels they can find?

Krikkit

27,897 posts

207 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Oddball RS said:
Why is it that cars are becoming more like blobs of featureless melted plastic every week, but yet manufacturers are sticking on the naffest alloy wheels they can find?
I like those alloys a lot more than the ones on the Mk.5/6...

The diff sounds extremely clever, I bet it'll cost a pretty penny over the non-"Performance" edition though.

Charlie Michael

2,753 posts

210 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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As with most things VW - I applaud the progress and the tech behind it, but their cars (for the most part) leave me underwhelmed and not really "wanting" one.

Lordbenny

8,743 posts

245 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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155mph yikes

WHY? confused

RacingBlue

1,455 posts

190 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Oddly, with that kink in the rear window, it looks a little like a previous gen A3.

I agree with others though, I'm sure it's not bad, but I just don't 'want' one, much like the Mk5 and 6.

MikeyBoy2000

72 posts

175 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Yawn, yawn and thrice yawn...

bobberz

1,832 posts

225 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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I like it. Its evolutionary styling is much more pleasing than, say, a Focus ST! The torque is impressive for a petrol four cylinder. The wheels are a bit fussy, but far better than the horrid "five hole" design of the previous two generations.

Cue the usual onslaught of hackneyed "VWs are boring/bland/too expensive, etc" comments...

jimbob82

690 posts

160 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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hurl

zygalski

7,759 posts

171 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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What an ugly mess.

Stuart

11,638 posts

277 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Oddball RS said:
Why is it that cars are becoming more like blobs of featureless melted plastic every week, but yet manufacturers are sticking on the naffest alloy wheels they can find?
Passenger impact regs mean bigger and bigger cars (led by the requirement for a big gap between block and bonnet, and therefore a raised bonnet line) which means that manufacturers put bigger wheels on to keep the proportions.

Sort of like those tiny half sized sofas and beds they put in show homes to fool you into thinking there's room for you to actually live in them. Cars are getting bigger, houses are getting smaller. Eventually they'll cross over and we'll start living in the boots of our hot hatches. Possibly.

ETA: I actually quite like that though. And I'm by no means a VW fan boy.

redroadster

1,886 posts

258 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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They know there market the styling is geared towards people who don,t want to stand out but want a quality car what gets the job done very well, for that sort of money though i do want to stand out focus st estate about to be ordered in tangerine scream!

Gruber

6,313 posts

240 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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bobberz said:
I like it. Its evolutionary styling is much more pleasing than, say, a Focus ST! The torque is impressive for a petrol four cylinder. The wheels are a bit fussy, but far better than the horrid "five hole" design of the previous two generations.

Cue the usual onslaught of hackneyed "VWs are boring/bland/too expensive, etc" comments...
I agree.

Good looking car, which moves the game forward about as far as we could reasonably have expected in tech and figures terms.

I've done about 700 miles now in my Edition 35 and I have to say it continues to impress me. I wouldn't call it boring or bland: as an everyday hack, it's everything I wanted from a grown up hot hatch - practical, comfortable, roomy, quick and fun.

The new car looks little different, but the performance upgrades (particularly the torque figure) look set to continue the Golf's return to form from the dismal days of the Mk3 and Mk4.

It would never be my dream car, but then that's not what the Golf GTI thing was ever about.

RichTBiscuit

437 posts

177 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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To me, Golf Evolution seems to go in waves.....

Wave 1

MK1 - Excellent, Inspired new thinking.
MK2 - Excellent but slightly fatter
MK3 - Bit fat, Handles like a boat
MK4 - FATTY FATTY, Handles like a boat

Wave 2?

MK5 - Excellent, Inspired new thinking.
MK6 - Excellent but slightly fatter
MK7 - Bit fat, boat handling ?

It gives the impression that once every 15 years VW realise they've been resting on past performances and bring out an outstanding GTI.

Note: By 'Fat' I don't necessarily mean weight, simply 'Bloat' smile

antspants

2,402 posts

201 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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I shall also stick my head above the parapet and say I quite like it.

For me there has always been too big a gulf between the Golf and other hot hatches, whereas the Performance edition appears to close that gap. Only 20-30 bhp down on the ST and Megane, a clever diff, and I would expect it to provide an improved day to day experience. Hopefully, although I doubt it, the price differential won't be too massive.

Wheels look nice, at least it's a new design anyway rather than sticking with the same design from the mk5.

But, and it's a big but, the M135i still makes it incredibly difficult for any car in this sector to look like it provides decent performance and value for money.

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

291 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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It seems to be suffering from extreme Testarossaing of the front bumper.

Still, everyone loves a 80's themed fake intake. I'm sure it'll sell just like a Golf.

R77C

89 posts

217 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Probably the worst looking alloy wheels that I've ever seen...

Dion20vt

252 posts

188 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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We will have to wait and see how it drives with that clever diff before writing it off against the usual suspects. But i cant help thinking that with 220bhp, it will be left behind by its rivals that pack more punch. it'll have the likes of the Clio 200 / Corsa Vxr / Fiesta ST snapping at it's heels for a fraction of the cost. Cars considered "below" the golf. Albeit the Golf will "feel" much more prestigious and "up market". But if you were wanting a comfortable, "up market" car with decent(ish) performance for the rumored £30k price tag of the Golf. Im sure there are better alternatives?

I know Clarkson says POWER, but power isnt everything in a (premium) hot hatch. But it sure helps!

I cant wait to have a go on a the new Up GT! 110bhp (with tuning capability) and weighs less than a tonne...

WCZ

11,378 posts

220 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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very ugly imo.

also the performance one would be the only one to go for and with xenon's etc not being standard but *must haves* I think things could get very expensive - £35k specced?

JuanGandini

1,509 posts

165 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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With prices beginning with a '3', I think the enthusiast has even more reason to look at the 3 litre turbo 6 pot M135i now.

Frimley111R

18,856 posts

260 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Not ugly, its too bland for that. A nice car that's just a bit souless these days and way, way too expensive. I doubt we'll see many on the roads.