RE: Perfect or patinated? PH Blog

RE: Perfect or patinated? PH Blog

Thursday 18th April 2013

Perfect or patinated? PH Blog

To buff or not to buff, that is the question...



Just how hung up are you about the way your car looks? And when does pride in having a smartly presented vehicle threaten to overwhelm your actual enjoyment of it?

That really is the nub, isn't it? Do you want to sit and look at your car, admire its beauty and perfection? Or do you want to actually drive it and enjoy what it's built to do? Because, at times, it seems the two are mutually exclusive when choosing your position on a road down which madness lies.

The eternal buffing/driving dilemma...
The eternal buffing/driving dilemma...
It's an argument that's raged in classic car circles for years of course. What's better - an original car that's picked up a few nicks and scratches long the way and can tell a story? Or one that's been restored to 'better than perfect' and is more immaculately presented than even the day it left the production line?

I faced a slightly more prosaic version of this dilemma myself a few years back when I bought my Clio 172 Cup. It was the realisation of a long-held dream and, obviously, I wanted the best example I could find. I lucked out and got just that - a low miles, unmolested car in remarkably smart condition. And I was delighted. And then came the opportunity for trackdays and other fun and frolics. And though fear of tainting it didn't exactly hold me back even my usually unshakable denial started to find cracks. Should I really be putting such a nice example at risk? Meeting a chap at a Renaultsport trackday who'd spent a quarter of what I had on a battered Phase 1, stripped it, tweaked it on the cheap and ragged it safe in the knowledge that if the worse happened he'd have lost little over a grand sealed it. I'd fallen into my own trap. I'd bought a car too nice to use.

A dirty car always has a story to tell
A dirty car always has a story to tell
And, speaking personally, my heart sinks when I hear the word 'detailing' and the implication that this might be more important than 'driving'. Begging the question, what is acceptable patina? The little scrape on the Clio's mirror casing picked up when I took a literal approach to clipping apex on one of Cadwell's corner markers was a source of quiet pride. And yet that tiny, barely perceptable ding left by some git's door in the supermarket carpark had me ready to stalk the aisles with a baseball bat looking for the culprit.

Everyone will have their own boundaries - this isn't about saying who's right and who's wrong. But, with a carefully garaged car surrounded by buffing cloths and lotions giving me the kind of angst that sees me parking in the furthest reaches of supermarket car parks to avoid door clanging dings, I can't help but admire those with a more cavalier attitude. Liberation from the yoke of cleanliness can come from owning a car cheap or battered enough for it not to matter, or from just being resolute in not giving a flying one. But I'll always admire a fast car streaked in grime, splattered in flies and wearing its war wounds with pride more than one buffed to 'perfection'. Put simply, whose story would you rather hear?

Dan

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Triumph Man

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8,720 posts

169 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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I do like having a clean car every so often, but then again I love to see something fast and expensive covered in road dust and just looking like it's being used properly.

ewenm

28,506 posts

246 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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Clean enough to avoid maintenance problems but not so clean/perfect that I worry about it.

TNH

559 posts

148 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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Definitely don't need to be mutually exclusive. Its not hard to strike a balance and simply give the car a good clean once a week or after a track day.

Krikkit

26,606 posts

182 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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I like a middle-ground. Those little scratches from use that would need a panel spraying to completely can be left, as they definitely add some character, but car park dents can go because it's the carelessness of others rather than use.

suffolk009

5,497 posts

166 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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"Too nice to use"? Seriously!

I really can't understand the idea that people buy cars and then don't want to put miles on them for fear of devaluing them. Same old argument that pops up whenever certain Estate Agents start using their Ferraris.


kambites

67,674 posts

222 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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Mine has been washed three times in the six years that I've owned it. I suppose it might be due another one this summer; if nothing else, you currently can't actually rear the rear number-plate. hehe

mlhj83

160 posts

155 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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A story to tell smile:




Mr Gearchange

5,892 posts

207 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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I'm very much in favour of cars wearing their battlescars and accumulated dirt.
To my eye at least, everything looks better for it having obviously been used - whether this is a rally rep, 4x4 or F40 as pictured.

My cars only get washed when I can no longer see out of the side windows and lights fail to illuminate.

Detailing as far as I can work out is a a bit like being a mental housewife racked with OCD. You wouldn't dream of spending hours each weekend detailing your oven, or your shed. Don't understand why it's acceptable for cars.

Each to their own - but life is too short to spend it needlessly cleaning things - unless, of course you are a mental with far too much free time.

Patina FTW.

antspants

2,402 posts

176 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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I'm not sure which camp I fall into, although I can't think of many things more dull than detailing a car.

When I clicked the article, I gave an involuntary gasp when I saw the state of that Ferrari, but gave a nod of appreciation at the grimy M5.

Perhaps it's just the fact that the majority of Ferrari's I've seen look as if they've just been driven out of a heated cocoon of cleanliness, so seeing one that's being used as it was designed to be is actually a bit of a shock.

Gorbyrev

1,160 posts

155 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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There is something liberating about a car that is a proper relic. My old Skoob has scratches on every panel but it means I'm not too bothered at nudging hedges and stonechips. Also means the kids never get shouted at for brake handle incidents on their bikes. You can properly use it. Part of the reason I think that a ratty Caterham would be a perfect car for blatting. Thing is many of us are suckers for a bright shiny pin like that Clio Dan. Perhaps Pistonheads should have a "ratty" section for cars which are mechanically sound but externally iffy? Example: Audi S8, '51 plate, dent in every panel, 120,000 miles, FSH 380hp £2000. Then we could stop trying so hard at sale time.

billzeebub

3,865 posts

200 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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My M3 is pristine and because of this I worry when I leave it anywhere about 'mouth-breathers' knowingly or unknowingly harming it! Indeed, to an extent where I rarely take it out anywhere other than on a round loop hoon! The other cars all have one or two blemishes (nothing scruffy, because that irks me. Just the odd scuff)-hence I don't worry too much about where I leave them

gabbo

77 posts

144 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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mlhj83 said:
A story to tell smile:
+1

RenesisEvo

3,617 posts

220 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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suffolk009 said:
"Too nice to use"? Seriously!

I really can't understand the idea that people buy cars and then don't want to put miles on them for fear of devaluing them.
I'll admit I'm one of them, and that's why I'm looking to move on, because I find myself worrying far too much about how the car looks, its value etc. etc. than actually just driving it. Having a nice car and keeping it nice is sometimes far too stressful when you just want to enjoy driving. I wish I didn't care, but I do.

I like my cars concours perfect - or totally filthy from many hours behind the wheel at speed. Not filthy from neglect and abuse. I don't much like anywhere in-between, I certainly can't abide by the trash-filled, manky wrecks some people seem to be happy to tool about it.

kayzee

2,845 posts

182 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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suffolk009 said:
"Too nice to use"? Seriously!
I get this... the most I ever spent on a car was my Impreza STI and it felt too good to modify or break things on a track! I sold it, bought a Renaultsport Clio worth around 1/4 value and have enjoyed it so much more!

To be honest, I love both aspects. I haven't been round a track (yet!) but I plan to this year, and I like a spirited drive as much as the next man... but I also enjoy a Sunday afternoon polishing session. It makes me look back at the car after walking away from it just like when you get a new car.

mrmr96

13,736 posts

205 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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kambites said:
Mine has been washed three times in the six years that I've owned it. I suppose it might be due another one this summer; if nothing else, you currently can't actually rear the rear number-plate. hehe
Think that would be a legal requirement really.

johnyt993

21 posts

153 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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i love both!

a freshly detailed car in the right colour on a sunny day, sat on a grassy lawn of a stately home... lovely, like its wedding day, and it's made the effort to look at its best...

but then the absolutely filthy Mclaren F1 i saw in london when i was about 15 is one of the best things i've ever seen!

I think its a shame to not use a car for this reason though, by all means take care of it (I have been known to need a taxi to Tesco's door as I park so far away!) but its there to be driven, and driven hard! I suppose it all comes down to money, but if you've got enough of that then who cares how many miles are on your car!
(if you've got that much money buy two, a garage queen and a track slag!)

but to get back to the point, i'd far rather read about the car and owner that's been driven hard, not about the garage queen.




Edited by johnyt993 on Thursday 18th April 13:30

epom

11,645 posts

162 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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Clean is great, dirty is great.... in between just looks lazy smile

AyBee

10,555 posts

203 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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That F40 might possibly be the nicest looking F40 I've ever seen - can you lacquer over the dirt? tongue out

Mitch2.0

198 posts

188 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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A dirty old car just looks like a heap (unless it's a Landy or something).

A dirty F10 M5 or F40 looks legendary, because it says you love cars and love to drive them, not to clean them.

kambites

67,674 posts

222 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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mrmr96 said:
kambites said:
Mine has been washed three times in the six years that I've owned it. I suppose it might be due another one this summer; if nothing else, you currently can't actually rear the rear number-plate. hehe
Think that would be a legal requirement really.
Yes it is. I must get around to at least cleaning the plate.