RE: Rules, Rules, Rules
Tuesday 19th November 2002
Rules, Rules, Rules
Catastrophic meltdown is inevitible
Discussion
Too right Ted. I know I was 'for' the anti-phone law, but you've made a great point here.
People have adopted the attitude that laws are made to be broken, and many petty laws are making criminals of us all. Once you are labelled a criminal when you believe you are innocent, your respect for the law decreases.
The many conscientious drivers amongst us should be pleased to see a traffic cop, keeping the roads free of dangerous drivers, but is that what we feel. Well most of the time, I feel guilty when I see one. Not because I am a dangerous driver (imho), but because I break laws that I consider petty or overbearing.
The thing is, it's precisely the people who feel this guilt who are the people who have a strong sense of personal morals and are generally the most considerate and careful drivers.
People have adopted the attitude that laws are made to be broken, and many petty laws are making criminals of us all. Once you are labelled a criminal when you believe you are innocent, your respect for the law decreases.
The many conscientious drivers amongst us should be pleased to see a traffic cop, keeping the roads free of dangerous drivers, but is that what we feel. Well most of the time, I feel guilty when I see one. Not because I am a dangerous driver (imho), but because I break laws that I consider petty or overbearing.
The thing is, it's precisely the people who feel this guilt who are the people who have a strong sense of personal morals and are generally the most considerate and careful drivers.
Ted said:Law abiding citizens are now being criminalised in an effort to control those with no respect for the law anyway.
Thats the crux of it. Those with no respect for existing laws flout them, so more draconian laws are brought in. Why? Those who ignored the original laws will pay no attention to the new ones, yet those who did pay attention to the original laws are now even more restricted. Take the Cat & Fiddle - prime example, 60 limit, fine for most, and some nutters - and skilled drivers - doing considerably more than the limit. Solution? Target the real nutters? No chance, lets put in a 50 limit. Effect on the nutters, nil. Effect on your average driver, now slowed down unnecessarily, or if still driving within the previous limit, possible nicked. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
It was the same with the Gun Laws - one idiot went wild (well, maybe more than one, but you get my drift - it wasn't endemic madness) and as a result of draconian measures, generally lawabiding people were made outlaws between one day and the next.
And the actual end result? Nothing. The criminals still ahve access to guns, if anything more than before, but the conscientious citizen has had his pleasure curtailed. Whats next on the list .....
The sign of a sick society is when hedonism takes over from service - we are there now. History is littered with stories of civilisations that did great things, then became hedonistic. The only route from here is down, sadly
It will take a great leader indeed to stave off the downfall and re-inject belief in coountry and self into our population. It grieves me but I feel the downfall is inevitable........ and speeding up now, like a train heading over a cliff. The change over just the last few years is frightening in its speed and the ferocity of the animalism that is becoming prevalent in several sectors of society.
Road rage was unheard of ten years ago, now it is a common occurence. Drive-by shootings? one a day in London IIRC. Pockets of sanity exist, but they are becoming fewer.
1984 may be 30 years late, but its coming. Mad Max was derided as an impossibility, but how much llonger before we see some of its prophecies coming to life...?
And the actual end result? Nothing. The criminals still ahve access to guns, if anything more than before, but the conscientious citizen has had his pleasure curtailed. Whats next on the list .....
The sign of a sick society is when hedonism takes over from service - we are there now. History is littered with stories of civilisations that did great things, then became hedonistic. The only route from here is down, sadly
It will take a great leader indeed to stave off the downfall and re-inject belief in coountry and self into our population. It grieves me but I feel the downfall is inevitable........ and speeding up now, like a train heading over a cliff. The change over just the last few years is frightening in its speed and the ferocity of the animalism that is becoming prevalent in several sectors of society.
Road rage was unheard of ten years ago, now it is a common occurence. Drive-by shootings? one a day in London IIRC. Pockets of sanity exist, but they are becoming fewer.
1984 may be 30 years late, but its coming. Mad Max was derided as an impossibility, but how much llonger before we see some of its prophecies coming to life...?
Top rant Ted, it makes me sad when I think that the shit is really about to hit the fan big time.
The only way disaster can be staved off is via a strong, visionary and intelligent leader with a true sense of duty to his country. And who do we have? Phony Tony and his cronies busy lining their own pockets , to hell with us, and IDS, a man so ineffectual he'd make a chocolate firegaurd look like a good proposition. We're F*cked.
The only way disaster can be staved off is via a strong, visionary and intelligent leader with a true sense of duty to his country. And who do we have? Phony Tony and his cronies busy lining their own pockets , to hell with us, and IDS, a man so ineffectual he'd make a chocolate firegaurd look like a good proposition. We're F*cked.
Abso-bloody-lutely spot on.
This country has been suffering ever since sharing-caring phony crony tony and his gang got in.
Always the same with people who think they can save the world single handed. Make a rule for everything and all will be alright and flow together in harmony. This theory is great until you take into consideration we are all human and individual and different. then it all turn to sh*t.
When will governemnts learnt that they can only create and effect the macro-environments.
This country has been suffering ever since sharing-caring phony crony tony and his gang got in.
Always the same with people who think they can save the world single handed. Make a rule for everything and all will be alright and flow together in harmony. This theory is great until you take into consideration we are all human and individual and different. then it all turn to sh*t.
When will governemnts learnt that they can only create and effect the macro-environments.
mondeoman said: It was the same with the Gun Laws - one idiot went wild (well, maybe more than one, but you get my drift - it wasn't endemic madness) and as a result of draconian measures, generally lawabiding people were made outlaws between one day and the next.
And the actual end result? Nothing. The criminals still ahve access to guns, if anything more than before, but the conscientious citizen has had his pleasure curtailed. Whats next on the list .....
The sign of a sick society is when hedonism takes over from service - we are there now. History is littered with stories of civilisations that did great things, then became hedonistic. The only route from here is down, sadly
It will take a great leader indeed to stave off the downfall and re-inject belief in coountry and self into our population. It grieves me but I feel the downfall is inevitable........ and speeding up now, like a train heading over a cliff. The change over just the last few years is frightening in its speed and the ferocity of the animalism that is becoming prevalent in several sectors of society.
Road rage was unheard of ten years ago, now it is a common occurence. Drive-by shootings? one a day in London IIRC. Pockets of sanity exist, but they are becoming fewer.
1984 may be 30 years late, but its coming. Mad Max was derided as an impossibility, but how much llonger before we see some of its prophecies coming to life...?
www.ee.ualberta.ca/~kaut/files/okslip.pdf
Ted, I totally agree with you. The introduction of new laws and regulations is out of hand - every day and in every way I see my freedom being eroded, not just on the roads but in all aspects of life. I'm sick to death of it and want out, but where do you go?? Seems to me that this demise is not limited to just this country but encompasses most of Europe and the USA. Saddest thing is that I really quite like this little island - it would be a shame to see it go to the dogs.
And the actual end result? Nothing. The criminals still ahve access to guns, if anything more than before, but the conscientious citizen has had his pleasure curtailed. Whats next on the list .....
I think you are forgetting about human nature.
As this, & previous Governments, have brought in daft
laws, so they get more & more ignored.
I've often thought that the UK gets more & more like
Italy in that sense.
Italy has lots of laws, lots of seriously daft laws,
but they mostly get ignored, and the country works
anyway.
Me, I'm sad to say that even though I pay for all this
through my taxes, big time, I don't support it.
Of course, I'm not allowed a gun, allowed faster than
70 mph, allowed to drink after 11 pm, not allowed to
watch all sorts of things on TV or video.
Load of old tosh. Why am I paying good money for this ?
that article is spot-on.
to the comments about the government not fixing it... well I know they do a crap job, but to be fair, it's un-fixable!
It would take a minimum of two generations in ideal circumstances.
You can't change people, you have to change the parents, but the trouble is, by the time they're parents, you can't fix them.. vicious circle!!
This applies to all the vandals, idiots with no respect of the law, people with no morals etc etc....
to the comments about the government not fixing it... well I know they do a crap job, but to be fair, it's un-fixable!
It would take a minimum of two generations in ideal circumstances.
You can't change people, you have to change the parents, but the trouble is, by the time they're parents, you can't fix them.. vicious circle!!
This applies to all the vandals, idiots with no respect of the law, people with no morals etc etc....
dcb said:
I've often thought that the UK gets more & more like
Italy in that sense.
Italy has lots of laws, lots of seriously daft laws,
but they mostly get ignored, and the country works
anyway.
But I think the Italian temperament in general is a lot different to the 'english' temperament - I reckon we are a lot more compliant as a nation. A little italian flair would do us some good - anyone up for torching a speed camera
PetrolTed said: That's the problem. The West has accepted that democracy should be run in a particular way. It's worked well for a number of reasons but it's reaching its limits. Something radical needs to happen to change the way countries are run.
IMHO the country should be run by business men/women.
The laws should be created/repealed/amended by the people using the elected legislature (parliament). Each MP should vote on each issue according to the wishes of his/her constituents, no party politics allowed at this time. Really big issues should be taken to the populace to vote on individually.
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