RE: US Army Could Use Flying Cars
RE: US Army Could Use Flying Cars
Thursday 3rd September 2009

US Army Could Use Flying Cars

Jetsons to Afghanistan: flying car is US Army's future says, er, flying car company...


A Skycar. Not in army camouflage...
A Skycar. Not in army camouflage...
With the US Army struggling with the unique technological challenge presented by Afghanistan's tough terrain, there's plenty of ground to be made by an opportunistic and ambitious company. Enter the Moller Skycar. Resembling something that wouldn't look out of the place on the Jetsons this is, apparently, the answer to the US military's mobility problems. So says Moller, at least.

Taking the ethos of 'why drive on it when you can fly over it', the Moller Skycar "provides a more cost effective, highly maneuverable, lethal and safe platform for the 21st century soldier," according to the US Army's Lieutenant Colonel James Thomas, in a recently released white paper entitled 'Winning an Asymmetric War with Skycars.'

As the lieutenant rather observantly put it 'Afgahnistan is not Iraq' and the unique challenges it presents would be well suited to the Skycar, which combines the vertical take-off and landing capabilities of a helicopter, with the speed of a conventional prop aircraft, while also providing 'limited' on-road ability.

Lt Col Thomas isn't the only one praising the long-awaited Skycar. Moller tells us that, in an article titled 'A Revolutionary Vehicle for the Future', Colonel Larry Harman, then Vice Director of the Combat Service Support Battle Laboratory at Fort Lee, Virginia discusses the Skycar's military version.

"Without any doubt, this technological innovation will succeed internationally in the private, commercial, and military sectors," says Colonel Harman. "I hope that the US Army will be the first army in the world to embrace and exploit this technology. But sooner rather than later, this aerial vehicle technology will affect all of our lives. It is just over the horizon."

The Skycar is powered by ethanol-burning rotary engines which combine both power and efficiency (we'll believe that when we see it - it's something Mazda has yet to master), while emitting exhausts that are sometimes cleaner than the surrounding air, which should prove reassuring when the surrounding air is shooting at you.

Despite all these advantages, you are unlikely to see the Skycar over a battlefield near you anytime soon, as there's no indication that the Skycar, or its engines, will go into production.

And take the whole thing with a healthy pinch of salt. Moller has been in the process of creating the Skycar for more than 20 years, and the source of most of these quotes is, er, Moller...

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Evil.soup

Original Poster:

4,047 posts

231 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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So what's wrong with a helicopter then?

Very pointless indeed!

Leicesterdave

2,288 posts

206 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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I remember this being showed by James May in one of his programs.

dwilkie

2,222 posts

212 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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This is the moller skycar that we've been hearing about being able to revolutionise personal transport for ever and yet still has failed to do so?

Most squaddies could drive a car, I doubt most of them could fly a plane and you need a pilots license to fly one... I also seem to remember the thin air because of the altitude causes issues for all kinds of helicopters in Afghan, which would suggest this wouldn't neccessarily cope hugely well.

Oh well, DARPA will probably fund it - some of the ideas that they throw money at look batst insane even compared with this!

Riggers

1,859 posts

204 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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dwilkie said:
This is the moller skycar that we've been hearing about being able to revolutionise personal transport for ever and yet still has failed to do so?
Yep, that's the one. Odds on it ever becoming a reality?? Pretty long, i'd say...

hugo a gogo

23,436 posts

259 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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...a lethal and safe platform for the US soldiers.....

Fresh_Clip

197 posts

220 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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The Moller Skycar......groan.

The fact that the principal of the company "Dr" Moller hasn't been dragged off to the clink is the single most amazing thing about this "vehicle".

Moller has been dreaming with other peoples money for close to twenty years now (or more) and all his creations have ever done is rise vertically and go back down again. None of them has even covered the distance that the Wright brothers did and they did it with spruce,canvas and a home made engine.

The guy is a shyster and a con artist, don't expect to see the American World Police hosing down civilians with automatic fire from one of these EVER.

ChapppeRS

4,483 posts

217 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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They should get themselves some hovercrafts, or man up.

davido140

9,614 posts

252 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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Fresh_Clip said:
The Moller Skycar......groan.
yes couldnt agree more, every 6-12 months there is another press release from this bunch of dreamers, I pity the poor saps that have invested any money in this tripe.

burwoodman

18,718 posts

272 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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Fresh_Clip said:
The Moller Skycar......groan.

The fact that the principal of the company "Dr" Moller hasn't been dragged off to the clink is the single most amazing thing about this "vehicle".

Moller has been dreaming with other peoples money for close to twenty years now (or more) and all his creations have ever done is rise vertically and go back down again. None of them has even covered the distance that the Wright brothers did and they did it with spruce,canvas and a home made engine.

The guy is a shyster and a con artist, don't expect to see the American World Police hosing down civilians with automatic fire from one of these EVER.
Post of the day-made me chuckle-cheers

Staffy1984

316 posts

206 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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I thought the Moller sky car was old hat,

I saw a write up for a VTOL Bike, that was on the drawing board last year from some other company, and that looked a lot less cumbersome than this beast.
Also, don't the mujahaddeen have those heat seeking shoulder missile launchers that the americans sold them once upon a time?

If memory serves me correctly they can shoot down a jet fighter, and this crap only goes as fast as a prop driven plane. Still its probably cheaper than an F18, will it help the yanks shoot in the right direction though...

scratchchin

ceebmoj

1,899 posts

287 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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Fresh_Clip said:
The Moller Skycar......groan.

The fact that the principal of the company "Dr" Moller hasn't been dragged off to the clink is the single most amazing thing about this "vehicle".

Moller has been dreaming with other peoples money for close to twenty years now (or more) and all his creations have ever done is rise vertically and go back down again. None of them has even covered the distance that the Wright brothers did and they did it with spruce,canvas and a home made engine.

The guy is a shyster and a con artist, don't expect to see the American World Police hosing down civilians with automatic fire from one of these EVER.
is there any technical reason that the vehicle cant deliver? as the idea seams realy cool so what is stopping it from happening? as Moller seam to have had enough money and time

Mannginger

10,190 posts

283 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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PH Article said:
As the lieutenant rather observantly...
I'm sure the Lieutenant Colonel will be loving that! hehe

sprinter1050

11,550 posts

253 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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I guess we'll have to wait & see if there's any foundation in this suggestion of military interest.

If ever the U.S. military DID become involved that would almost certainly develop it into a reality I reckon but not convinced that it does offer any significant strategic military value over something as tried as e.g. a Harrier.

Mr Gear

9,416 posts

216 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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"Lethal and safe"

FFS rolleyes

Evozippy

9 posts

205 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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I say spend the money on improving the Harrier Jump jet or just buy more of them.
They vertically take off and land, Fly much faster than a prop plane and have limited on-raod ability

TVRWannabee

524 posts

273 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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Nicely written article, Riggers. Made me chuckle.laugh

curtisl

1,406 posts

232 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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The American army are probably buying them from here

http://www.firebox.com/product/415/Moller-Skycar-M...

they have been advertised on firebox (other shopping sites are available) for years now. I can't why tho, has one of these actually ever moved off the ground?

Mr Gear

9,416 posts

216 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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curtisl said:
has one of these actually ever moved off the ground?
There is a vid on Youtube, but it looks like a complete waste of time to me.

Jonboy_t

5,038 posts

209 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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Probably be cheaper (not to mention better) to pull all of our boys out, build a massive wall around the place and flood it!!

Anyway, it has limited on road capabilities? Doesn't that make this sky-car thing just a plane with one seat?

Taffer

2,326 posts

223 months

Thursday 3rd September 2009
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Evozippy said:
I say spend the money on improving the Harrier Jump jet or just buy more of them.
They vertically take off and land, Fly much faster than a prop plane and have limited on-raod ability
A Harrier taking off vertically with a useful fuel AND weapons load - I'd like to see that! There's a reason that our carriers have a ski jump.

Even if the Moller could be utilised in the battlefield (HUGE could), it'll be of no more use than anything else out there - in an asymmetric warfare environment (e.g. Afghanistan), the enemy will just find a way to exploit the weaknesses of any transport method - a well rigged volleyball net could probably take out a Moller Skycar.



Edited by Taffer on Thursday 3rd September 12:27