RE: 2012 GT-R To Shave 8 Secs From 'Ring Lap-Time?

RE: 2012 GT-R To Shave 8 Secs From 'Ring Lap-Time?

Thursday 27th October 2011

2012 GT-R To Shave 8 Secs From 'Ring Lap-Time?

Test figures for next year's model show 7min 16secs lap is do-able...


Please mind that 'Speed Matters' banner Mr Mizuno san...
Please mind that 'Speed Matters' banner Mr Mizuno san...

PH went to Silverstone yesterday to catch up with 'the father of the GT-R' Kazutoshi Mizuno, and spend some time behind the wheel of the new-for-2012 version of Nissan's super coupe.

Typical graphic - one of the easy ones...
Typical graphic - one of the easy ones...
Mizuno san, who we met at the Nurburgring a couple of years back, remains on charismatic form. Listening to (and watching) his animated talk through the spec upgrades for the new 2012 version of the GT-R, backed up by the usual set of scribbled diagrams on whiteboard, it's hard not to wonder whether this humorous yet driven man is a crack-pot or a genius. The people who know him best - the GT-R development team at Nissan - clearly ascribe to the latter view and in the light of the man's achievements it's hard to argue.

I asked Mizuno san yesterday whether he recognised how his character differed from the stereotypical senior Japanese management figure, and he laughingly acknowledged he was regarded as 'an outlaw' and sometimes even 'crazy' by more conservative colleagues. In fact he reckons on spending more than half his working day just managing internal politics to clear a path for his 'no compromise' approach to development. Don't worry folks, I thanked him on your behalf!


The results of his team's latest activities were on hand at Silverstone, and while there's no visual difference between the 2011 and 2012 models, there's enough under the skin to make it interesting.

First off is a power hike, the exact scale of which will be confirmed next week, but which we're expecting to lift output to the 550hp-ish mark. Second, and for right hand drive markets only, there's an asymmetric suspension set-up (which Mizuno reckons may be a world first for a production car) designed to counterbalance the extra 50kgs weight of the steering assemblies etc. So everything's just a little stiffer on the right, and even the geometry has been adjusted. Small front end revisions also mean the nose of the car is a little 'pointier' to steer, an improvement that we were able to feel thanks to a quick cone slalom demo.


The extra power and chassis tweaks clearly improve performance, although it wasn't noticeable to me even driving the cars back to back on a wet Silverstone circuit - in spite of being 'shown around' by Andy Middlehurst. However, Mizuno told me that a review of the data collected from extensive Nurburgring testing reveals the 2012 car is on average 5-8kmh faster through every corner there, and 5kmh faster on the final straight where the car now reaches 296kmh.

Extrapolating that to a lap time, the man himself reckons we should be seeing a difference of at least 7-8secs against the current GT-R 'personal best' of 7min 24secs. (In fact he said 10secs first, but corrected himself with the air of a man who thought it best to appear conservative... the lap-time itself will tell!)

Other announcements due next week when the 2012 GT-R is officially revealed will include the availability of a Track Pack, which adds a Spec-V style interior, racing seats with high friction fabric to stop you slipping about, uprated brakes and a sports exhaust.


The firm is also considering making the Club Track Edition available in the UK - this will get you a car with a roll-cage, Bilstein racing shocks and slick tyres, plus five full track days including Nissan on-circuit maintenance, driver training with Toshio Suzuki (he who holds the GT-R 'Ring lap record) and the chance to rub shoulders with Mizuno san himself. A similar deal is already available in Japan, where it looks pretty good value at around £25k.

Mizuno san also talked about the platform extension possibilities of the GT-R, which in this current generation has at least five years of life in it. I pressed Mizuno san for more info, but drew a bit of a blank - although he did tell me this: "The GT-R is a two door coupe with a very big boot. Use your journalistic skill to imagine what might be next."

Hmm... GT-R convertible anyone?





Thanks Andy!
Thanks Andy!
 


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GroundEffect

Original Poster:

13,835 posts

156 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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Godzilla just keeps growing...

dirtbiker

1,187 posts

166 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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Anyone else head straight to the Classifieds to see how much you can get a GT-R for these days?!

R500POP

8,777 posts

210 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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dirtbiker said:
Anyone else head straight to the Classifieds to see how much you can get a GT-R for these days?!
Yep.....

GroundEffect

Original Poster:

13,835 posts

156 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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dirtbiker said:
Anyone else head straight to the Classifieds to see how much you can get a GT-R for these days?!
I already have done this week paperbag

Will be buying one some day biggrin

thewheelman

2,194 posts

173 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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GroundEffect said:
Godzilla just keeps growing...
Godzilla is the R32, not this.

davidcharles

400 posts

194 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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..it won't be long before i am back in a GTR...every article i see just makes it worse. The first uk spec GTR that drops below £30k will be mine..!!!

thewheelman

2,194 posts

173 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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A technical masterpiece, looks great in the dark blue smile

Beardy10

23,217 posts

175 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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I remember reading years ago that BMW used an asymetric suspension set up to take account of the fact that most cars just have a driver in. Set up for LHD cars but we still got it in RHD markets was the story.

jrinns

370 posts

183 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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davidcharles said:
..it won't be long before i am back in a GTR...every article i see just makes it worse. The first uk spec GTR that drops below £30k will be mine..!!!
I'm not sure I would want one of these second hand. Who knows what may go wrong and the cost of parts is not cheap.

Makes a Range Rover look cheap to run by comparison.

But, I would love one, but my head would have the last call over my heart.



scorcher

3,986 posts

234 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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Instead of throwing more power at it ,I reckon it would be a better car if they put it on a diet and shaved about 300kgs off of it.

frosted

3,549 posts

177 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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GroundEffect said:
dirtbiker said:
Anyone else head straight to the Classifieds to see how much you can get a GT-R for these days?!
I already have done this week paperbag

Will be buying one some day biggrin
Yep , this is the biggest car on sale in the last 3 years

davidcharles

400 posts

194 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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jrinns said:
I'm not sure I would want one of these second hand. Who knows what may go wrong and the cost of parts is not cheap.

Makes a Range Rover look cheap to run by comparison.

But, I would love one, but my head would have the last call over my heart.
i took a punt 8years ago on a uk spec R33GTR and was told the same BUT i had it for 7years and it never went wrong once and didn't cost that much to run. I know a GTR would cost more to run but i am ready for a "punt" again....

spencermit

39 posts

217 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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scorcher said:
Instead of throwing more power at it ,I reckon it would be a better car if they put it on a diet and shaved about 300kgs off of it.
The main issue I had with Range Rover is the service from the dealers, which is very poor - Anyone know what its like from Nissan?

Dagnut

3,515 posts

193 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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scorcher said:
Instead of throwing more power at it ,I reckon it would be a better car if they put it on a diet and shaved about 300kgs off of it.
I'm sure they are saving the for the NUR spec or similar..if they give you that now where will they go from there?

Mr fox

301 posts

151 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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All I have to say is...
Mizuno San, Shine on you crazy diamond.

Guvernator

13,144 posts

165 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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jrinns said:
davidcharles said:
..it won't be long before i am back in a GTR...every article i see just makes it worse. The first uk spec GTR that drops below £30k will be mine..!!!
I'm not sure I would want one of these second hand. Who knows what may go wrong and the cost of parts is not cheap.

Makes a Range Rover look cheap to run by comparison.

But, I would love one, but my head would have the last call over my heart.
^^^^ This exactly. I would not even dream of buying a second hand R35 GT-R without a warranty. Some of the prices for bits which can go wrong would make a Ferrari owner cry. Do Nissan do extended warranties on the GTR?

Luca Brasi

885 posts

174 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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Not even remotely interested.

RobCrezz

7,892 posts

208 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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thewheelman said:
Godzilla is the R32, not this.
I thought all the GTRs since the R32 have been referred to as "Godzilla"...



I would love to see what Nissan could do if they made a GTR to sell for £150k (mid engine, lighter, more power etc).

thewheelman

2,194 posts

173 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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RobCrezz said:
thewheelman said:
Godzilla is the R32, not this.
I thought all the GTRs since the R32 have been referred to as "Godzilla"...



I would love to see what Nissan could do if they made a GTR to sell for £150k (mid engine, lighter, more power etc).
I guess opinions vary, i've always known the R32 as Godzilla after earning the name in many race series. In the same way the 993 GT2 was nicknamed the widowmaker, yet that name hasn't continued with newer generations of GT2s.

N4 FTW

627 posts

185 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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scorcher said:
Instead of throwing more power at it ,I reckon it would be a better car if they put it on a diet and shaved about 300kgs off of it.
True, but in the interview the designer specifically said that the car weighed as much as it did to give 400(ish) KG of weight over each wheel as there was no way he could get a road car to generate 400kg per wheel of down force to give the grip level he wanted.

He drew an analogy between an F1 car only weighing 500KG but having several times that weight pushing down on the tyres through down force to give it grip in high speed corners.

But I do agree, light weight would be my preference! Let's see how the Juke-R does when it steps onto the scales...