RE: Driven: Toyota GT 86

RE: Driven: Toyota GT 86

Friday 2nd December 2011

Driven: Toyota GT86

Enough concepts, hype, teasers and videos - what's the Toyota GT86 actually like to drive? PistonHeads finds out...



So GT86it is, because this rear-wheel drive, flat-four coupe is no longer a 'future Toyota'. Some would argue it isn't a Toyota at all, but there's a lot of Japan's biggest car company's input into the GT86/Subaru BRZ twins.

RWD + slippery track = dab of oppo fun
RWD + slippery track = dab of oppo fun
The fundamentals you know: they've been kicked around for long enough. Now we get to drive it, at the Sodeguara Valley racetrack in the forests beyond Tokyo, and the signs are good. Project leader (at the Toyota end) Yoshi Sasaki sets the scene nicely before we venture out on track. "A fun car," he says, "'is a car that you control." He talks of how some car enthusiasts have got fed up with cars that cost too much, in which the driver doesn't do enough and which rely on hugely powerful turbo engines, four-wheel drive and massive grip.

So there's no turbo here, and drive goes solely to the rear wheels. The 1,998cc engine has a high 12.5:1 compression ratio and both direct and indirect injection, to produce 200bhp at 7,000rpm and 152lb ft of torque at 6,600rpm. Front suspension is by struts, rear by double wishbones and there's a Torsen limited-slip diff.

It's more about handling than horsepower
It's more about handling than horsepower
Pure and simple
And that's broadly it, simple, pure and loosely based on a latest-model Subaru Impreza platform but with bespoke suspension geometry and settings. You can have a six-speed auto if you must - it's a torque-converter 'box, with snappy paddle-shifts by a system similar to that of the Lexus IS F - but why would you not want the six-speed manual?

You sit low in the GT86, helping towards a centre of gravity said to be lower than a Cayman's. I press the start button, snick into first gear and head onto the sinuous, three-dimensional and threateningly wet track. Straight away the GT feels taut, keen, lighter than its 1,200kg. The engine has a sharp, crackly beat from within, somewhere between an Impreza and an Alfasud but without the deep throb of a traditional breathed-on Subaru.

Big wing option harks back to the last Celica
Big wing option harks back to the last Celica
A wet track means the balance will very quickly make itself clear, as will the quality of the steering's communication. Three bends on and the GT 86 has lifted the fog we hadn't realised has been surrounding too many new cars. I'm in touch with the track as though stroking the surface with my bare hand. It's extraordinary.

Here's a fast, downhill right. Traction and stability systems are off. The front wheels are washing slightly wide under gentle power, but in the best rear-drive fashion I can squeeze the accelerator a little harder and feel the tail edge out to match. Now the GT is balanced perfectly through the long curve, right foot the arbiter of the line, then I can nail it at the exit and let the engine rev out before snicking into the next gear.

It's not what you've got...
It's not a massively potent engine, and its low-end response is crisp rather than muscular, but the power build-up is very progressive and easily, instantly metered. Here lies part of the secret of the way you can control the GT 86 so sensitively. Along with the steering's precision and similar linearity of response are balance and a lack of roll that comes with the low centre of gravity. Powerslides are yours for the asking, recovering them could hardly be easier. The gearchange is quick and easy, too, and the brakes match the other controls for progression.

Electric steering 'better than 911' shocker
Electric steering 'better than 911' shocker
Sounds good, yes? Then you learn, on returning reluctantly to the pitlane after some of the most enjoyable and tactile track laps you've had in a while, that the power steering is - yes - electric. Not only that, but the motor is mounted on the steering column rather than the rack, popularly supposed to be an inferior system. I'm stunned when Mr Sasaki tells me this. "We've got very good at the programming," he says. As someone who has consistently disliked EPAS, I have to eat my words here. Not even the new Porsche 911's EPAS is this good.

Number crunching
Some stats, not yet set in stone but close to it. Top speed is around 143mph. From a standstill to 62mph takes a little under seven seconds. Official 'combined' mpg is about 42 with CO2 under 160g/km. The GT86 is plenty fast enough and won't destroy the planet.

It also looks good, if very similar to the BRZ outside and in apart from the front air intake. There are shades of Toyota's 1960s 2000 GT in the glasshouse, one of three influences Toyota likes to cite (the others being the rear-drive, 16-valve Corolla Twin-Cam AE86 and a little 800cc flat-four, rear-drive sports car that I'd never heard of, known as Yotahachi. There are small rear seats but Yoshi Sasaki hopes they'll be more often be folded down to accommodate a set of trackday wheels.

There is an auto option by why would you?
There is an auto option by why would you?
The GT86 is the sort of car that restores your faith in the world. It feels fantastically intuitive on the track, with the purity and transparency of an early MX-5 but sharper and lower in inertia. In fact I can't think of another car that has felt this good, this all-involving in years outside the realms of Caterhams and Elises, yet this one has a roof and you can use it for any journey you like. Based on our experience so far, the world's third-biggest car manufacturer has just made possibly the best affordable fun car you can buy. Being a Toyota it will probably ride well on real roads, too.

UK sales start in June, at around £25,000. Place your order now.


Toyota GT86
Engine: 2.0-litre flat-4
Power (hp): 200
Torque (lb ft): 151
0-62mph: 7.0 sec*
Top speed: 143mph*
Weight: 1,200kg*
MPG: 42mpg* (NEDC combined)
CO2: 160g/km*
Price: c. £25,000

*All figures provisional



Author
Discussion

carl0s

Original Poster:

528 posts

228 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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You like it then! smile

Bhuvsta

234 posts

162 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Sounds wonderful then. Now to wait for a second hand one. Or earn some money quickly. If its as good you say I hope it sells well and Toybaru get rewarded for their work. It's as quick as my CTR, RWD and cheaper to run. Whats not to like?

Edited by Bhuvsta on Friday 2nd December 20:25

Marf

22,907 posts

241 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Sounds great, but that wing rofl

j123

881 posts

192 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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John,
I know we've had our differences (rather severe ones at that) going back since meeting you at the CAR of the year test track in 96; but I applaud you here. Someone needed to come to the defense of the road car and what is needed to make a real road car drive for real people in the real world. We need a counterpoint to chris harris and the undying affection for the ring and so many racetracks, judging cars endlessly by how they drive on rings and how fast they can go. Its enough already! - indeed I think the declining readerships of all your magazines can partly attest to how disaffected the public has become to what passes as automotive greatness in the press. Thank you for explaining how this car drives and for how it dares to fly in the face of the narrative constantly pitched by the old boy network that would never let it be said that a subaru steers better than a porsche. Good on you for that. Maybe your own magazine one day. j

Edited by j123 on Friday 2nd December 20:36

s m

23,218 posts

203 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Nice review, the plated ls diff will be the optional one and the Torsen the standard one?

P I Staker

3,308 posts

156 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Those wheels really let the side down, straight out of Halfords.


As for that rear wing, it might look alright if the car wasn't so high. scratchchin

kambites

67,543 posts

221 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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And probably will still complain that it's too expensive. rolleyes

Hellbound

2,500 posts

176 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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I've decided on the Toyota. Do you know if it will have the 5 year warranty too?

We need more renders!


Codswallop

5,250 posts

194 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Bhuvsta said:
Sounds wonderful then. Now to wait for a second hand one. Or earn some money quickly.
yes

Rob_F

4,125 posts

264 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Anyone know how much the deposit is then?

I take it you could just lump the deposit down based upon X asking price and if it changes substantially get your wedge back?

Cheers,
Rob

j123

881 posts

192 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Still a little shocked. A car actually built to (17 inch wheels perish the thought!) progressively handle and safely slide on real roads with crazy things in mind oh like rain and bumps and narrow bends my word, glad someone had the brains to think of such a thing.

Edited by j123 on Friday 2nd December 21:28

Johnboy Mac

2,666 posts

178 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Ticks a lot of boxes this car. Light, quick, first class chassis, good CO & mpg and the promise of excellent build quality. If I was 15 years younger I'd be ordering one right now (sans rear spoiler).

Hellbound

2,500 posts

176 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Evo have given it 5 stars. Could this be the rwd equivalent of the DC2 Integra Type-R? We're witnessing the birth of a cult car. Demand will be high and I'm guessing they'll be churning as many of these out as they can to recoup development costs. Not sure how that's going to reflect on residuals. As always with new cars, the first batch will hold their value longest (as demand will still be high) and then things will tail off as more and more enter the used market. Could £15k in a couple of years from a Toyota dealer be possible?

Given the reviews, the TRD car may be 'too focused' for us mere mortals.

Marf

22,907 posts

241 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Going on past performance the TRD bits will end up for sale individually, even if only in Japan, and I should imagine the aftermarket will cater for the car pretty heavily.

Turbo Harry

5,187 posts

237 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Looks like the car was competing in the understeer challenge.

Garlick

40,601 posts

240 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Blimey, that opening shot does it no favours.

I really like it, but I'm taking a used Cayman/ 911 I'm afraid.

Hellbound

2,500 posts

176 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Marf said:
Going on past performance the TRD bits will end up for sale individually, even if only in Japan, and I should imagine the aftermarket will cater for the car pretty heavily.
Hope that's not going to be the case. There's a fair amount of profit to be had from bodykits and lowered suspension etc. Getting a TRD kitted car from the dealer would be pretty awesome. I'm guessing from the JDM brochure TRD bits can be specced from factory.

j123

881 posts

192 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Big Question:
How does a proper front engine sports car compare with a proper mid engine sports car (cayman) ??

Lauren13

132 posts

237 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Hellbound said:
Evo have given it 5 stars. Could this be the rwd equivalent of the DC2 Integra Type-R? We're witnessing the birth of a cult car. Demand will be high and I'm guessing they'll be churning as many of these out as they can to recoup development costs. Not sure how that's going to reflect on residuals. As always with new cars, the first batch will hold their value longest (as demand will still be high) and then things will tail off as more and more enter the used market. Could £15k in a couple of years from a Toyota dealer be possible?

Given the reviews, the TRD car may be 'too focused' for us mere mortals.
Given it's inspired by the AE86, which personifies what is a cult car, this perhaps is exactly where it needs to be. I really do hope it's as pure a driver's car as the original and the reviews say.

As for residuals, time will tell, but I would expect at least usual Toyota rules to apply. Not convinced they'll be available at £15K in two years. Maybe three.

Mini1275

11,098 posts

182 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Sounds great, a proper drivers' car by the sound of things.

I had to laugh at that wing though - at first, when I skimmed past the photo, I thought that it was just a silly PH photoshop rofl.