Re: PH Blog - Passat Power

Re: PH Blog - Passat Power

Thursday 5th January 2012

PH Blog: Passat power

Harris won over by diesel VW estate car shocker




VW lent me a Passat estate over Christmas. It got me thinking about the role of the everyday car.

I have vacillated terribly on this subject for years, veering from championing the one-car-fits-all mantra in the form of Imprezas, M3s and the like, to thinking it far more interesting having something nuts for the weekend and plodding about in an ordinary tackle when the traffic is bad and there's little to be gained having big performance available.

The Passat obviously fits into the latter territory. It's about as exciting as wholemeal bread and doesn't pretend to be anything other than what it is: painless transport.

Harris in a Passat? You saw it here first
Harris in a Passat? You saw it here first
This one was a 2.0 TDi Bluemotion with the DSG gearbox. Have to say, I thought it was one of the most complete motor cars I've ever driven. Putting aside any emotional attributes, if I wrote down on a piece of paper what I wanted in an everyday family car, it would satisfy just about every requirement. The powertrain is a work of art. The motor is incredibly refined for a four-cylinder diesel, the transmission juggles the needs of response and fuel economy better than any human could manage and it doesn't appear to use any fuel.

On a stop-start 15-mile journey it did 42mpg. On a shortish motorway run, four up, it was in the mid-50s and climbing when we got back home. Oh, and it appears to have more rear legroom than a Mercedes E-Class.

I can't help myself trying to maximise fuel economy in cars like this. There has to be a hook to every motoring experience, normally getting the most intense flavour of what the particular vehicle you are driving can do best: just as you want to bruise your kidneys in a GT2 RS and see if a Defender will climb up that hill, so I always want to know just how miserly these new diesels can be. The answer is very.

It handles well enough (on winter tyres), the ride is too firm for UK roads, the interior is another demonstration of VW indulging in just enough design to stop occupants thinking they're in a municipal swimming pool changing room. The whole thing feels like it'll take decades of abuse.

But what you have to ask yourself about the Passat is this: how would you feel if this was the only car you could drive for a whole year? I think I'd need something else, just to keep me sane. Anything, a grotty hot-hatch - so long as you could rev the blighter and grab it by the scruff. Just to release some energy now and again.

How many of us grapple with this dilemma, running something efficient and bolstering it with an occasional toy - or remaining faithful to a single, juicy, high-performance everyday car?

I still can't decide what's best. Probably never will. If I landed on the former, the Passat 2.0 TDi would be my car of choice for the daily grind.

Chris

 

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YesItsARover

Original Poster:

2,721 posts

165 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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I have seen 80mpg in my 1.6d bluemotion saloon!

ZOLLAR

19,908 posts

173 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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Who's this guy?



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Fartgalen

6,637 posts

207 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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ZOLLAR said:
Who's this guy?



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Isn't he called Stan ?

ETA: Since I can - I run a commuter (reasonably cheap option this time, as opposed to the shed of an Escort TD I ran previously). And toys for the weekend.

Edited by Fartgalen on Thursday 5th January 08:46

SlimRick

2,258 posts

165 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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ZOLLAR said:
Who's this guy?



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One of the local mini-cab drivers posing for a picture.

juansolo

3,012 posts

278 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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I've long subscribed to the comfy car for commuting and something else to play with at the weekends rule. I've had a string of them.

I started with a Citroen Xantia diesel which was magnificent big floaty armchair that did billions to the gallon, effortlessly cruised and towed well. Sadly it spent the best part of one year not working and showing Citroen service staff (I refuse to call them mechanics) to be incompetent fools. Then I had an Freelander, again great towcar and mini-tonka fun.

For a change I tried an Impreza to do the fun commuting car thing, which it was. Frugal it was not. Towed effortlessly mind you, but you could watch the fuel gauge charging towards the E.

I went for it bangernomics stylie after that, especially as I no longer needed to tow. So got a Rover 200 for peanuts. That was magnificently cheap to run. But was, on the whole, the most hateful car ever conceived. It had no redeeming features.

Which brings me to my current. Not quite bangernomics as I bought it at 16 years old with 26000 miles on the clock. But now at 19 with 65000 on the clock it has proved to be the cheapest car I've ever run. One of the most comfortable, reliable and characterful. It's also made me more than a little smitten with early 90's and older mercs. I love my 190E. Even though it does inexplicably occasionally smell of garlick (the food, not the man...).

Edited by juansolo on Thursday 5th January 08:42

LotusOmega375D

7,616 posts

153 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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Sounds like you want to be me.

Weekday dullard (170 bhp Sport): which does everything I need for work and family.



NB: your Passat does about 42mpg overall. Do not believe the lying trip computer.

Weekend licence botherer:


Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

152 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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  • that would be garlic then.
Probably best not to confuse....

CampDavid

9,145 posts

198 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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LotusOmega375D said:
NB: your Passat does about 42mpg overall. Do not believe the lying trip computer.
My Mum's Fabi VRs has been exposed as a lying little st when comparing the fuel computer to reality. Suprised the Daily Mail hasn't started chanmpioning a case against the lying Hun

Huw Pugh

177 posts

208 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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I've recently changed from a one car for all to a hack for the communute and something in the garage for the weekends. It's definitely the way forward. I've got a Fabia Vrs as a daily and it does just about everything I need it to - bikes, dogs and even passengers in the back biggrin it's relatively fun and quick but easy on the juice too. On a 12 mile trip to work it averages between 65/75mpg and managed 71mpg on a recent run from Birmingham to Cardiff.

LuS1fer

41,135 posts

245 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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It's probably a great jack of all trades but I would feel depressed just looking at that bland front end and when I was unable to spot it in a busy car park, I would probably not bother looking for it.

I would forever be wishing I was driving something else however ideal it was. I mean a fridge keeps food cold but is merely a white good.

juansolo

3,012 posts

278 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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Vocal Minority said:
*that would be garlic then.

Probably best not to confuse....
smile

Good point, well made

J B L

4,200 posts

215 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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My current Passat trip computer happens to be just 2.5mpg on the optimistic side which I can live with. 600 miles to a tank when driving miss Daisy. angel

OTOH I saw the reserve light come up at 80 miles on the R1. evil

Probably will go for an estate when the company car is up for renewal. Do people recon the auto (DSG) is really better for economy nowadays?

Mr E

21,616 posts

259 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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We've run a barge and a silly car for years. Barge has just been swapped and we looked at a derv passat.

Couldn't bring myself to do it.

ravon

599 posts

282 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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Chris, remember those amateur, exotic car owning, VLN pilots traveling back and forth to the Nurburgring races, three up, in a 1.4 tdi Audi A2 ? It's all perfectly possible, and great fun in the right frugal car. The A2 tdi would be my nomination for the greatest useable eco car of all , it's light weight aerodynamic aluminium shell of extraordinary handsome looks, and beautiful build quality accommodate four adults with ease, it's wonderfully willing thrummy diesel triple provides just the right sporty sound track and a perfect balance of performance/economy. Nothing like them likely to be built again for a decade, and now as a used car, getting cheaper by the day.

Tankman

176 posts

229 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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ravon said:
Chris, remember those amateur, exotic car owning, VLN pilots traveling back and forth to the Nurburgring races, three up, in a 1.4 tdi Audi A2 ? It's all perfectly possible, and great fun in the right frugal car. The A2 tdi would be my nomination for the greatest useable eco car of all , it's light weight aerodynamic aluminium shell of extraordinary handsome looks, and beautiful build quality accommodate four adults with ease, it's wonderfully willing thrummy diesel triple provides just the right sporty sound track and a perfect balance of performance/economy. Nothing like them likely to be built again for a decade, and now as a used car, getting cheaper by the day.
But even better if you waft there in a Bentley once in a while?

Maybe Ravon and me (and you) are greedy? For me, Big chunky V6 diesel small saloon for every day, grubby little Clio with some decent suspension mods for hassling exotic stuff and, of course, a thoroughly outrageous 911 for real "kidney bruising stuff"

jon-

16,509 posts

216 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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On a recent tyre launch I drove one of those Golf twincharged things, can't remember the badge they'd given it, GT perhaps. Extremely dull, but the 1.4 engine was frugal enough to return decent MPG without having to switch to the dark side and had a bit of poke when needed (though we were on an Eco run so I couldn't use it often!) Just struck me as a very dull, but excellent piece of engineering. Something you'd buy the wife.

Also, scrolling down through this post made me go "yeessss!!" out loud. Good work!!

LotusOmega375D said:
Sounds like you want to be me.

Weekday dullard (170 bhp Sport): which does everything I need for work and family.



NB: your Passat does about 42mpg overall. Do not believe the lying trip computer.

Weekend licence botherer:

tangerine_sedge

4,774 posts

218 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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I approached the 2 car thing from a different angle. When looking for my last car, I whizzed down the Evo car list looking at any car that returned > 30mpg. It threw up some leftfield options that I'd not even considered (I was looking at the usual suspect hot-hatches). I eventually chose a VX220 as my daily commute car (I only need 1 seat, little storage space, and it's only a 40 mile round trip).

I'm then free to make my missus use whatever shed/euro-econobox we have as the family car. The fact, that the shed is a vRS Octavia and struggles to return a regular 35mpg is a different matter (If I had my way it would have been a v8 MG ZTT, but that's a battle for another day)...


Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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Reardy Mister

13,757 posts

222 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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I'm giving that 9/10.
As long, informative and opinionated as it needs to be, whilst remaining succinct.
Excellent start. Hopefully it will rub off at the Towers.

T0b1esH

13 posts

149 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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2 cars = 2 insurance policies, 2 road tax, 2 mots and 2 services

The case for the weekly box and weekend fun is yet to become a no brainer...I used to run two cars, but now run just one XFR.