RE: PH Blog: Porsche puts us in seventh (speed) heaven

RE: PH Blog: Porsche puts us in seventh (speed) heaven

Thursday 23rd February 2012

PH Blog: Porsche puts us in seventh (speed) heaven

Riggers re-discovers the joy of sticks courtesy of a manual 911, but is it the swan song of three pedals?



To paraphrase Mark Twain, reports of the death of the manual gearbox have been greatly exaggerated.


True, engineers focused on speed and efficiency, marketeers in search of an extra gram or two of saved CO2, and the apparent huge appetite from consumers (not necessarily PHers) for dual-clutch and other paddle shift gearboxes are putting huge pressure on the conventional manual. But the humble three-pedal layout is still alive and kicking, and the new seven-speed gearbox in the 991 Porsche 911 is proof.

We've already discovered that the three-pedal 991 is a revelation in the 400hp Carrera S, courtesy of Dan's first drive of the new 911 in the US, but how would it translate to Blighty and the 'basic' Carrera? A fluke set of circumstances that ended up with the keys to a Guards Red Carrera in my sweaty mitts for one night only seemed like a perfect chance to find out.

There's nothing like a mixed-bag commute to reveal the strengths and weaknesses of a gearbox and, during my run home (a mix of town, motorway and B-road), the seven-speeder revealed rather more in the way of strengths than weaknesses.


The basics (as you'd expect of Porsche) are all there - ideally placed pedals and lever, perfectly weighted controls, a shift action that treads perfectly the line between mechanical-feeling and oil-slick smooth. It's all very lovely.

But it's the novelty of seven tightly-stacked ratios that are the real revelation. Should you find yourself in a sufficiently lazy mood the engine, even in humble 350hp and 288lb ft guise, has a wide-enough spread of power and torque to effectively let the gearbox become a four-speeder, using only first, third, fifth and seventh. Heck, seventh is even more than just an overdrive-style cruising ratio. Open the throttle at 70mph in top (on an autobahn only, officer) and, even though the needle is right down low on the rev counter, you will get noticeable acceleration.

If you're feeling a little more playful, however, that extra ratio (over the old six-speeder) just allows you to be in the engine's sweetest spots more of the time. The result is that you enjoy the car doing it close-harmony-quartet-gargling-super-unleaded thing that bit more often. And because it's you, not a PDK, choosing the melody it's just so satisfying.


In all honesty it is possible to get 'lost' in the gearbox - but that's just a case of unfamiliarity, once you're used to things it's truly a pleasure to row up and down through the gears. And it all feels very Porsche-y.

As does the rest of the car. Some have worried that, with its extra size and electric power steering, that the 991 has lost some essential 911-ness. I disagree. Get in this car and you immediately know, from the way everything looks, to the way it feels, to the way it sounds and goes (even that electric steering rack) that this is a Porsche 911. And the new gearbox only magnifies that sense.

The manual gearbox is not dead yet, then. But it might well be in its twilight years: senior Porsche engineers publicly admit that the traditional manual has only one, maybe two generations of life left. And a look at the stats reveals that already 78 per cent of 911s sold since PDK was introduced in 2009 have been dual-clutch jobs.

The writing is on the wall for the manual. And, Porsche's commendable investment in creating an all-new seven-speed gearbox notwithstanding, the powers that be in Weissach clearly know it.

Riggers

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Carnnoisseur

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531 posts

154 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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Personally, I would still prefer the manual in a 991, but the red is bloody awful...

wab172uk

2,005 posts

227 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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Given the option, I'd always choose a manual on anything sporty.

Bailiff

5 posts

187 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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That side profile is lovely. Muchas like!

Alfa numeric

3,026 posts

179 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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Article said:
...And a look at the stats reveals that already 78 per cent of 911s sold since PDK was introduced in 2009 have been dual-clutch jobs.
When I was idly looking at 996's a couple of years ago I noticed that the tiptronic models were cheaper than the manuals. Are the rare manual examples going to appreciate in the future I wonder?

soad

32,894 posts

176 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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Bailiff said:
That side profile is lovely. Muchas like!
That is true, but what about that colour? hehe

PascalBuyens

2,868 posts

282 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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Given the choice: manual every time.

Riggers

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178 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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Alfa numeric said:
When I was idly looking at 996's a couple of years ago I noticed that the tiptronic models were cheaper than the manuals. Are the rare manual examples going to appreciate in the future I wonder?
What's particularly interesting is that the Yanks are cheerleading manuals in high-end cars - more than 50 per cent of 911s sold (IIRC and I may not) in the US are still manual...

Riggers

1,859 posts

178 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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soad said:
Bailiff said:
That side profile is lovely. Muchas like!
That is true, but what about that colour? hehe
Really? A Guards Red 911? What's wrong with that - seems ideal to me...

soad

32,894 posts

176 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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Riggers said:
Really? A Guards Red 911? What's wrong with that - seems ideal to me...
Perhaps that photo doesn't do it justice.

Bailiff

5 posts

187 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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Riggers said:
soad said:
Bailiff said:
That side profile is lovely. Muchas like!
That is true, but what about that colour? hehe
Really? A Guards Red 911? What's wrong with that - seems ideal to me...
The red is nice, but not for me. I'm more of a yellow man... biggrin

slipstream 1985

12,220 posts

179 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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Riggers said:
In all honesty it is possible to get 'lost' in the gearbox - but that's just a case of unfamiliarity, once you're used to things it's truly a pleasure to row up and down through the gears.


John Connor said:
great i need something with plenty of gears thats a bit quicker to get away from the t1000

Gary C

12,427 posts

179 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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Strange

I own a red 1989 3.2 carrera that just looks so right in that colour, whereas I am not so keen on it on the modern cars.

As to the manual, it is interesting that in the US it seems to be becoming a status symbol of a 'real' driver smile

suffolk009

5,387 posts

165 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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manual gearbox. always for me.

RichardR

2,892 posts

268 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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PascalBuyens said:
Given the choice: manual every time.
Amen to that! Even the manual control of the PDK box just can't match the interaction with a proper clutch and gearstick! driving

Given the subject matter of this article, I was hoping it would clarify the actual layout of the gears and how 7th and reverse are engaged; I'm supposing the 'box has the traditional spring loading on 3rd/4th with 1st/2nd being a push against the spring to the left and 5th/6th being a push to the right so where does that leave the other two gears? scratchchin

I've not seen this detail in any articles yet although I guess I could find it is I spent some time looking...

Stuart

11,635 posts

251 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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Riggers said:
soad said:
Bailiff said:
That side profile is lovely. Muchas like!
That is true, but what about that colour? hehe
Really? A Guards Red 911? What's wrong with that - seems ideal to me...
I think that Guards looks less good on every (slightly bigger each time) new 911 which emerges. My old '89 car was guards and it looked great, but then in side profile view it didn't have the slightly more bloated dimensions of the 991, and thus suited it better. An original 60s 911 in Guards looks even better.

The more surface area there is, the better it looks in a metallic than a solid primary colour. All IMHO, of course.

rottie102

3,996 posts

184 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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RichardR said:
Amen to that! Even the manual control of the PDK box just can't match the interaction with a proper clutch and gearstick! driving

Given the subject matter of this article, I was hoping it would clarify the actual layout of the gears and how 7th and reverse are engaged; I'm supposing the 'box has the traditional spring loading on 3rd/4th with 1st/2nd being a push against the spring to the left and 5th/6th being a push to the right so where does that leave the other two gears? scratchchin

I've not seen this detail in any articles yet although I guess I could find it is I spent some time looking...
Seriously? rolleyes 3 sec with google and I can see this:



RichardR

2,892 posts

268 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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rottie102 said:
RichardR said:
Amen to that! Even the manual control of the PDK box just can't match the interaction with a proper clutch and gearstick! driving

Given the subject matter of this article, I was hoping it would clarify the actual layout of the gears and how 7th and reverse are engaged; I'm supposing the 'box has the traditional spring loading on 3rd/4th with 1st/2nd being a push against the spring to the left and 5th/6th being a push to the right so where does that leave the other two gears? scratchchin

I've not seen this detail in any articles yet although I guess I could find it is I spent some time looking...
Seriously? rolleyes 3 sec with google and I can see this:

Thanks. smile As you say, 3 seconds on Google turns up those sort of images (and I wouldn't have expected them to put 7th anywhere else other than next to 5th!) but they don't clarify the actual mechanism. Is is a push-down type arrangement for 7th (as seems to be the norm for reverse on a 6 speed 'box) or is it a case of different levels of resistance? Even videos like this one don't clarify that detail.

SmartVenom

462 posts

169 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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I love the colour. Glad to see red making a return, seems like more and more press cars are red (or burgundy), I've missed all the red of the 80s! Was worried Brown was going to be the new White, keep up the fight for Red!

fastgerman

1,914 posts

195 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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RichardR said:
rottie102 said:
RichardR said:
Amen to that! Even the manual control of the PDK box just can't match the interaction with a proper clutch and gearstick! driving

Given the subject matter of this article, I was hoping it would clarify the actual layout of the gears and how 7th and reverse are engaged; I'm supposing the 'box has the traditional spring loading on 3rd/4th with 1st/2nd being a push against the spring to the left and 5th/6th being a push to the right so where does that leave the other two gears? scratchchin

I've not seen this detail in any articles yet although I guess I could find it is I spent some time looking...
Seriously? rolleyes 3 sec with google and I can see this:

Thanks. smile As you say, 3 seconds on Google turns up those sort of images (and I wouldn't have expected them to put 7th anywhere else other than next to 5th!) but they don't clarify the actual mechanism. Is is a push-down type arrangement for 7th (as seems to be the norm for reverse on a 6 speed 'box) or is it a case of different levels of resistance? Even videos like this one don't clarify that detail.
Huh?

kambites

67,556 posts

221 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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RichardR said:
Thanks. smile As you say, 3 seconds on Google turns up those sort of images (and I wouldn't have expected them to put 7th anywhere else other than next to 5th!) but they don't clarify the actual mechanism. Is is a push-down type arrangement for 7th (as seems to be the norm for reverse on a 6 speed 'box) or is it a case of different levels of resistance? Even videos like this one don't clarify that detail.
You cannot change to 7th without engaging 6th or 5th first.