RE: PH Blog: noise matters

RE: PH Blog: noise matters

Friday 2nd March 2012

PH Blog: noise matters

Ears still ringing from Garlick's TVR, Dan's been pondering the merits of noisy cars



Noisy cars are great, and they don't come much noisier than Garlick's TVR, which I was honoured to be offered a go with yesterday. Indeed, I recall saying as much as we were driving along but all I got was the typical TVR passenger's response of "sorry, what was that?"

Sounds faster than it is but Dan's happy
Sounds faster than it is but Dan's happy
I'm not proposing changing the PH slogan to 'Noise Matters' but, in a sense, it's perhaps the more relevant measure of a car these days. It goes back to my earlier witterings about flow - namely the way a car makes you feel is actually way more important than whether it's 0.1 seconds faster to 62mph than your mate's or can top 200mph.

It's another way of interacting with your car of course, a means of conversation almost. Another reason why manual gearboxes are so much more engaging of course - the noise the car is making is your choice, not that of the black boxes. It's not all about volume either, though that clearly helps. Cars don't have emotions of course, not beyond the ones we project upon them, but given that the ability to enjoy the physical responses of a fast car are so limited the sound it makes is perhaps the more relevant way of enjoying 'character'.

30 years ago this car inspired this blog!
30 years ago this car inspired this blog!
And here comes the inevitable MX-5/Eunos bit. Look, I managed to hold off until the third paragraph, give me some credit! Anyway, yes, my little Eunos makes quite a lot of noise, which I love. Doesn't go very fast but it sounds like it does and interaction between gratuitous throttle blipping, pointlessly double-declutched downshifts, ear splitting redline upshifts and the size of my grin are all directly related. I can probably trace this back to when I was a toddler and riding in the back of my grandfather's Alfasud. I can still remember my impressionable mind processing the flat-four bark as he accelerated and thinking "Mum and dad's car doesn't make a noise like that ... I like that noise ... I don't know why I like that noise but I like that noise" and three decades on here I am making a living out of doing pretty much the same. Perhaps a bit more eloquently. Well, a bit. Anyway, it's all Alfa Romeo's fault.

Synthesised noise not popular with PHers
Synthesised noise not popular with PHers
It was interesting to read the responses to my recent Tell Me I'm Wrong missive on the BMW M5 - the fiercest debate in the discussion afterwards focused on the rights and wrongs (mainly the latter, it would seem) of BMW's synthesised engine noise through the speakers thing. You know what? If you didn't know it was false you wouldn't care because it actually works. But I fully understand the scepticism and would favour 'proper' engine noise over pretend stuff any time. The musical comparison would be do you want your horn section consisting of three big blokes jiving in glittery jackets or bloke hitting a button on a keyboard? Easy win to the former I'd say.

It's not just BMW of course; publicly or not carmakers recognise how important an emotional pull engine noise is and have been indulging in all sorts of trickery to get more of the good stuff to us without annoying the legislators. And as the influence of the latter means fewer and fewer of the kind of screaming, high-revving normally aspirated engines we all enjoy there's going to have to be some inventiveness on the part of the manufacturers. Some are getting it right - I recall a long chat with the AMG engineers on the CLS63 launch about how hard they'd worked on making the turbo 5.5-litre V8 sound as good as it goes - and others aren't, the flatulent rasp of our Golf GTI Edition 35 fleet car and the closely related SEAT Leon Cupra Ramong them.

Subaru promises the return of the burble
Subaru promises the return of the burble
And returning to another theme we've been talking about a lot recently I think here's how Subaru can stamp some of its character on the BRZ to make it stand out from the GT 86. Please Subaru, look behind the sofa, go begging to your mum and dad - whatever it takes - but please find a few pennies to rub together and develop your own exhaust headers or intake manifold to give the BRZ a signature sound. It's promised as much from the cool looking Super GT racer already. These things matter and, to this day, remains the reason I'd always take an Impreza over an Evo. Head says an Evo is probably the faster and more hardcore car. Heart says I want the burble.

I'm not saying the BRZ needs to try and replicate that but a modern, fizzing, naturally aspirated aural signature would be the kind of thing that would swing the deal Subaru's way to the likes of us.

Dan

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Numeric

Original Poster:

1,395 posts

151 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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Best engine noise I heared on the road was a test and development MGSV - not the exhaust so much as the over run - oooh that was lovely.

Mind you I still remember the person who at 3 am used to head to work on the nearby dual carriageway on a very noisy Moped - it wasn't the volume so much as the time it took at 35mph!!

Nick Young

250 posts

250 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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Numeric said:
Best engine noise I heared on the road was a test and development MGSV - not the exhaust so much as the over run - oooh that was lovely.

Mind you I still remember the person who at 3 am used to head to work on the nearby dual carriageway on a very noisy Moped - it wasn't the volume so much as the time it took at 35mph!!
The SV was an awesome car let down by being over-priced and rubbishly built. But it did sound glorious!

TheRacingSnake

1,817 posts

163 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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Very true. I drive a lowly old Mondeo ST24 but with a new air filter, decat and a larger exhaust the 2.5 v6 sounds bloody amazing, lovely burble and a roar when the foot goes down!! I absolutely love the noise. Driving the girlfriend's diesel I find it a struggle to stay awake sometimes. More noise please Mr Car-maker.

neil-f

1,647 posts

207 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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Ferrari Challenge Stradale is one of the best sounding cars everbiggrin

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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Let battle commence...

PompeyM3

1,847 posts

205 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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I've heard Garlicks's TVR at Rolls Royce Sunday service last year, it was loud !! Only thing I've heard louder was the Enzo at last years Wilton House. smile

Martin 480 Turbo

601 posts

187 months

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AbarthChris

2,259 posts

215 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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neil-f said:
Ferrari Challenge Stradale is one of the best sounding cars everbiggrin
I'll agree with this! Still the best car I've ever been in, and that's after the 599 GTO although the Carrera GT was close. It was just the feeling associated with that car, utterly sublime.

With my own personal cars, my Stilo Abarth 52.4 5 pot with an induction kit sounded amazing and I really fell for the car. The noise of my current mk1 Leon Cupra R is just sh*te is comparison! Its deep, but there's nothing really to it.

My next car has to make an good noise... thats the only pre-requisite

Gorbyrev

1,160 posts

154 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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A flat four without a burble is a missed opportunity. Skoobs are one of the last vestiges of the signature car sound - a poor man's V8. The fact that Subaru exhausts cost so much wedge means it makes sense to fit aftermarket pipes anyway! Certainly did on my Legacy.

AndySA

900 posts

263 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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Mmmmm Alfasud, only even been in one once in my life many years ago. But that noise while hooning from Hilton College to Howick in the Natal midlands will live with me forever. One of my best early 20's memories

V8KSN

4,711 posts

184 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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I was stuck in traffic once and my mate in his TVR Sagaris was sat next to me, i sat there listening to his speed six burble and I will never forget that gorgeous sound.

When he revved it and it popped and banged on the overrun, I wanted a TVR then and there!

YouTube link to a speed six at full chat....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSlkKO-ERD0

LuS1fer

41,127 posts

245 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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AndySA said:
Mmmmm Alfasud, only even been in one once in my life many years ago. But that noise while hooning from Hilton College to Howick in the Natal midlands will live with me forever. One of my best early 20's memories
I'd agree. A hitched lift in an Alfasud Ti sold that willing rasp to me and I bought a clapped out one a few years later which still sounded fabulous.

I have had loud Yank V8s in the past and while I am often tempted to make the Mustang louder, I actually prefer something a bit more subtle yet still muscular. I suppose cut-outs would be the ideal as there are plenty of times that I want less noise and actually now get embarrassed by really loud exhausts.

Garlick

40,601 posts

240 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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PompeyM3 said:
I've heard Garlicks's TVR at Rolls Royce Sunday service last year, it was loud !! Only thing I've heard louder was the Enzo at last years Wilton House. smile
Quoted in case you change your mind.....

smile

Oakman

326 posts

158 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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AURAL SCULPTURE ?

Dare we admit that the noise a vehicle makes is ooohh so important to us ?

Bringing out the true 'boy' racer in us all - as alluded to in your chidhood memories of the Alfasud.....Yes I am plenty old enough to remember that sound when they were new too !

Owning up to my 54th birthday yesterday, another 'confession' at the alter of PH.

My 993 C4S, courtesy of the two previous owners (thank you both) has:
1/ The Porsche induction air fiter (more holes in the airbox).
2/ RSR Exhaust modification (Opening up original silencers & removing a certain amount of sound absortion materials).



Result = One very gutteral, slightly louder but more meaningful sounding flat six (read brutal).....that will eat the pants off any later 911 variant with 'sports exhaust valve flap' standing still - let alone on the move !

Ha ha - ooops! ........'Boy' Racer moment......too old, too old ;-) :-)))

Regards and turn up the hearing aids.

PS. Must own up to the shock that when the car starts up parked near to another vehicle, the pressure waves set off that vehicles alarm - plus if you go down an urban street of parked vehicles there is a trail of alarms.....naughty German thing, good job there's no Chip Shops nearby (Stan Boardman joke).
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Edited by Oakman on Friday 2nd March 12:36

Watchman

6,391 posts

245 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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The 4.5 V8 Cerbera is the ultimate noise-maker. It makes the sort of noise you'd imagine the Devil's car would make. Various people said mine sounded "hardcore", "motorsport", and best of all "my god - should it sound like that?".

loomx

327 posts

225 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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Its all about BMW E60 M5, the sound that makes in unbeatable. I love that car, simply because of the sound. Theres a few videos on youtube with people thrashing them with no exhaust. The noise is out of this world.

I have to say I absolutly love the roar of my B5 S4 as well.

V8 FOU

2,971 posts

147 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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Sound emitted from any vehicle is a very emotional thing. My Esprit V8 (I'm getting like Garlick in mentioning the Esprit in almost every post like his MX5!) sounds amazing on its sports cats etc, the Alpine GTA on its race exhaust with the oddfire engine -amazing on the overrun down the Furka pass, my V8 truck sounds so, errr, V8, the gf's E30 325 with its noisy exhaust etc etc. It is the intereaction between throttle and noise, almost organic.
Probably why i fit so many aftermarket exhausts to customers Harleys....

KP

190 posts

201 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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M3 S54 Rasp?

Love it myself but then I am biased!

KP

GH80

35 posts

168 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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Noise is the most important factor for me in cars. Favourite cars of all time for me are group B quattro's & S4 Delta's due to the incredible noise. While I am slowly chipping away at the wife to get a classic Impreza for a weekend toy, I couldn't lust over an Evo as much, even though I admit they are probably better cars in most cases. It's the noise that gets the emotions going in most cases, just like music in films.

DanDC5

18,773 posts

167 months

Friday 2nd March 2012
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Agree 1000000% that noise is important. It's one reason why I love Honda's VTEC engines so much. Now I just need a completely unsilenced system on the Integra now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_LmFqwwfqw

rofl