PH2: Suzuki Hayabusa vs Radical SR3 RS
Same engine, two very different vehicles as our man on two wheels pits himself against four
Same engine, very different experience
For the cost of a fairly middle of the road family car you can get a bike with a top speed of 186mph that will out-accelerate a Ferrari. When it comes to performance for your pound you simply can't beat two wheels and the level of engineering in bike motors puts their four wheeled cousins to shame.
Nowadays if your 1,000cc sportsbike doesn't make in the region of 170hp at the rear wheel it is considered underpowered - and that is in a vehicle that weighs around 200kg. How many cars deliver around 850hp per tonne? And for less than £13,000! But what happens when you stick this kind of a motor in a lightweight car?
Radical can stroke 'busa engine to 1,500cc
Radical's SR3 RS is one of the few cars that makes the most of a bike motor. Starting with a Suzuki Hayabusa engine, on this car Radical has bumped the 1,340cc DOHC in-line four out to 1,500cc, increasing its power from a genuine 185hp to a claimed 250hp by keeping the same 81mm bore and increasing the stroke 6.5mm to 71.5mm. Even with the standard 1,340cc Radical SR3 RS gets 210hp, the V8 version (based on two 'busa engines) nearly double that While it keeps the six-speed sequential Suzuki gearbox, Radical adds a gear drive system that feeds into a limited-slip differential with interchangeable gear ratios, pneumatic paddle shifts and a reverse gear. Well, you try paddling a car out of a gravel trap!
Radical weighs double as much as the bike
Acceleration
With two huge 10.5x16-inch drive wheels and Dunlop slick tyres, the Radical gets the jump on the Hayabusa when the flag drops. It may have a chunky 190/50-section rear, but that doesn't stop the front lifting when you dump the clutch so a degree of caution is needed on the bike - something that I spot Radical driver Ian Flux doesn't require as he smokes his tyres for the first few meters.
Radical's early lead soon destroyed by bike
With the Radical getting to 60mph in 2.7 seconds (our data on the day) compared to the Suzuki's 2.89 seconds the initial part of the run is very close. However, once the 'busa gets into its stride it hits 100mph in 5.32 and 180mph in 20.49 seconds, leaving the Radical trailing behind. In the car world 0-100mph in 7.4 seconds is impressive, but in that time the 'busa is going through 125mph and starting to stretch its legs. Topping out at 126mph due to track gearing the rest of Bruntingthorpe's straight is a case of trying not to over-rev the Radical for Ian, while on the Hayabusa I hit its 183mph top (restricted!) speed in 30.52 seconds, just 1,984 metres from the start line...
Four of these makes for awesome braking
Both vehicles run four-piston calipers, with the Radical's gripping 260mm discs and the Hayabusa 320mm. But there is one huge difference. Brake hard on the 'busa and the soft forks bottom out and front tyre squeals. Slam on the anchors in the Radical and you've got four calipers driving the slick tyres into the tarmac. On the Hayabusa all your braking goes through the front 120/70 section tyre which is easily overwhelmed while the car has two 8-inch width tyres at the front and two 10.5-inch width rears to bring it to a halt. It is also a lot harder to flip a car over the headstock! The results are a complete car whitewash. A Hayabusa will stop from 100mph in 5.34 seconds in 130 metres with a maximum deceleration of 0.9G. The Radical stops in 3.4 seconds in about 80 metres, pulling 1G and as much as 2G if the grip levels are up to it. So when it comes to stopping quickly four wheels are certainly better than two.
Bike has the straights but in the corners...
"I was impressed how fast the Hayabusa accelerated." To be fair Radical's tame racer Ian Flux was being more than a little generous - that's about the only thing the Hayabusa has over the Radical on a lap of Bruntingthorpe's handling circuit. Despite containing a monster engine, the Suzuki is basically a fast tourer and as such comes with soft suspension. Yes you can up the pace on it, but get it working and it isn't long until the brakes become a bit spongy and the suspension makes the 'busa wobble through the bends like a fat kid on a trampoline.
On the road the 'busa is excellent, on a track and when there is a Radical with a mad racer piloting it right up your chuff it's a bit out of its depth. I asked Ian if he could stick behind for a few photos - despite easily losing him down the straights - at every corner he was right behind me. Photos done I found out why when I sat in the Radical's passenger seat for a 'quick lap.' At every corner I thought Ian had forgotten to brake and we were about to steam onto the grass then, at the point I was starting to wonder just how strong the SR3's honeycomb front crash structures are, he would stamp on the brake and hurl the car through the corner at a completely incomprehensible speed.
Radical driver Ian impressed with bike's pace
See it for yourself
Blurring the boundaries between bike pace and car grip, the link between the two will be reinforced with demo laps in this car by multiple British Superbike champion John Reynolds at rounds of the British Superbike Championship. So if you fancy seeing John putting the Radical through its paces he'll be at Brands Hatch this weekend and putting in a few laps in at lunchtime on Monday around the pit walk and VIP safety car rides. As previously reported John will also be racing the car in the Radical UK Cup - see Radical's website for dates. Why not turn up and cheer the old boy along!
SUZUKI GSX1300R HAYABUSA
Engine: 1,340cc, 4-cyl
Power: 185hp@9,000rpm (tested)
Torque: 111ft lb@7,000rpm (tested)
Top speed: 183mph
Weight: 260kg
MPG: 40 (est)
Price: £10,935
RADICAL SR3 RS
Engine: 1,500cc, liquid-cooled, inline four, DOHC, fuel injection
Power: 250hp@10,500rpm (claimed)
Torque: 160ft lb@10,500rpm (claimed)
Top speed: 155mph (varies according to gearing)
Weight: 570kg
MPG: 20 (approx.)
Price: From £55,000
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Also interesting to hear what front tyre it was on the bike - so I know to avoid it!
Ok, soft forks and heavy bike etc, but a bike's braking really shouldn't be limited by the front tyre. While I'm not a fan of those Tokico calipers which are also on my GSXR, they'll happily slow that from an indicated 180mph at Snetterton with the only issue being a little fade at the end of the session.
I've certainly seen Busa's being ridden a fair bit faster on track than it appeared in the above video.
Fifth gear did an 'ok' bike vs car comparison here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5DMmRp8KVI
It's not shown in the clip, but they did mention at the end that the bike was probably more practical as a daily vehicle I believe - and from my experience of seven style car vs GSXR1000, I'd certainly prefer to take the bike to the shops etc.
Certainly for road-fun I find the bike a lot better than my MNR just because it means I can get past other vehicles in a lot more situations.
Have yet to do a trackday on 4 wheels (done many on 2, raced etc too), but it seems it's a similar situation there.
Not much is even talked about the engine and how it fairs in both.
(My MNR has an R1 engine - I was interested to note that it feels to have a bit of a different 'character' than when in the bike it originally came from.)
Personally I'd prefer a long stroke to a sever bore any day
Interesting comparison none-the-less. I'd love to see a proper sports bike compared corner by corner to a car like the Radical; it would be fascinating to see an overlay of the two on a hot lap of a circuit.
This is another interesting one: http://blog.racedv.com/2007/11/car-vs-bike.html
There was also a good article that was from an American publication which went in to it in a fair bit of detail.
Of the things they concluded was that the bike got a decent benefit from it's size - while a car might be able to put it's outer wheels on the grass, a bike can move it's centre of gravity from right on the outside of the track at turn in to hovering over the rumble strip at the apex. This means it can take corners a little straighter.
Missed that the car was on slicks - but yes, decent slicks you'd hope would definitely be able to stop the bike without a problem from the tyre at least (though locked out suspension of course isn't great) - and would certainly have helped elsewhere, though not convinced the rider was making anywhere near full use of what they had in the first place.
On being pedantic - the v8 (SR8 RX) uses a transaxle, which I presume isn't a Suzuki original design for the gearbox
.; but the powerboat gets a 'rolling' (rowing?) start.Yes, one of the less-good fifth gear bike and car comparisons.
What I did think was interesting was how useless the car in this case was without it's traction control - obviously at that point designed to be relied upon. Also interesting to see that the F1 car when it's working only really takes off away from the bike when I presume the downforce starts to make decent affect, whereupon it can make good use of it's full power (and of course the faster it goes, the more it get down due to more downforce, I presume.)
[edit - meant to add a link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9mukwueqk0 - and it seems it wasn't a traction control issue.]
Small world, I was lucky enough to be at Silverstone this Monday gone using a 1340cc Radical SR3 on the GP track, also was a certian Mr Reynolds doing fast laps for customers in the above pictured GSXR badges SR3.
I ride a 893cc firblade RRS which was quick at the time and is still more than fast enough for me on the road and back to back yes the bike is quicker in a straight line and this was mentioned to the owner of the car as down the straight the car seem to struggle above 120mph whereas the bike is still pulling like a train, but on the track the radical can brake and corner at silly speeds that are just incredible - blew me away with the cornering speed and how quickly it scubs of speed.
Also being a track virgin I also found the radical a very forgiving car and very easy to use, looking at dates in the summer to have another go.
Regards to the IOM tt question above I think the bikes will have it due to the astonishing average lap speed - now over 120 mph. Also not sure how the radical would handle the bumps, dips, kerbs, painted roundabouts, hump back bridges, tram lines etc etc but I would love somebody to have a go and stick it on PH.
Just to say a big thank you to Radical for building such cars I am converted and I am not greedy but i will ask Santa for an SR3 for XMAS!!!!!
Potter who lost his trackday virginity Monday 2nd April 2012.
I ride a 893cc firblade RRS which was quick at the time and is still more than fast enough for me on the road and back to back yes the bike is quicker in a straight line and this was mentioned to the owner of the car as down the straight the car seem to struggle above 120mph whereas the bike is still pulling like a train, but on the track the radical can brake and corner at silly speeds that are just incredible - blew me away with the cornering speed and how quickly it scubs of speed.
Also being a track virgin I also found the radical a very forgiving car and very easy to use, looking at dates in the summer to have another go.
Regards to the IOM tt question above I think the bikes will have it due to the astonishing average lap speed - now over 120 mph. Also not sure how the radical would handle the bumps, dips, kerbs, painted roundabouts, hump back bridges, tram lines etc etc but I would love somebody to have a go and stick it on PH.
Just to say a big thank you to Radical for building such cars I am converted and I am not greedy but i will ask Santa for an SR3 for XMAS!!!!!
Potter who lost his trackday virginity Monday 2nd April 2012.
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