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Wednesday 2nd May 2012

Time for Tea? BRZ and GT-86 take on MX-5

Of course, what you really want to know is whether the Toyota or the Subaru is fastest...



We thought that Japanese motoring video series Best Motoring was dead and buried, but we couldn't be more glad to have been proven wrong.

How so? Well, although it's not under the Best Motoring banner, Tsuchiya-san and friends are back, and the perfect subject for the return of our occasional 'Time for Tea' displacement activity video feature.


Their chosen weapons for this particular three-lap battle of the East Course at Motegi in Japan are the Mazda MX-5, Toyota GT-86 and Subaru BRZ. The MX-5, of course, succumbs to the Toyobaru pair, but the real intrigue is whether the BRZ or GT-86, which we now know to be moreor less identical on price, can come out on top.

We won't spoil the video by giving you the result of that particular contest... you'll just have to make yourself a cup of the hot caffeinated stuff, sit back, and click 'play' to find out...

 

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snorkel sucker

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The Toyota sounds much better than the Subaru...

Amazing how flat the BRZ and the '86 corner in comparison to the MX5, too!

dvance

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Nooo, there are no subtitles frown

ellisd82

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Really impressive stuff. Mazda mx5, meant to be a really good car, yet these 2 things held their own and proved they are a real drivers car. They looked more stable and the guys appeared to be having more fun!

Vilhelm

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I liked the dab-of-oppo action towards the end. Looks like a fun car to own.

Some Gump

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Love the commentary, no idea what they;re saying, but plenty enthusiasm!
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GC8

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snorkel sucker said:
The Toyota sounds much better than the Subaru...

Amazing how flat the BRZ and the '86 corner in comparison to the MX5, too!
They do have the advantage of a roof...

KevSeymour

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Roof up? -10 man points.

MattDell

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PH Senior Techie

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KevSeymour said:
Roof up? -10 man points.
Roof up +10 aerodynamics.

number1nesta

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Er, has nobody noticed that the Toyobarus have to be worked really hard to get past the 'girly' MX-5. So, apart from the lack of masculinity, surely owning a good looking soft top is a better bet that owning one of the most uninspiring, badly styled and bland cars to come onto the market? Besides, the MX-5 would be much more attractive to the opposite sex whilst clearly being pretty nifty around a track.

Doesn't matter whether you put a Toyota badge or Subaru badge on the bonnet, it's still about as undesirable as it can get.

kambites

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number1nesta said:
Doesn't matter whether you put a Toyota badge or Subaru badge on the bonnet, it's still about as undesirable as it can get.
So your definition of "desirable" revolves purely around looks?

Me thinks this car is not for you.

Thorburn

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KevSeymour said:
Roof up? -10 man points.
He's driven an MX-5.

GenePoolReject13

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number1nesta said:
Er, has nobody noticed that the Toyobarus have to be worked really hard to get past the 'girly' MX-5. So, apart from the lack of masculinity, surely owning a good looking soft top is a better bet that owning one of the most uninspiring, badly styled and bland cars to come onto the market? Besides, the MX-5 would be much more attractive to the opposite sex whilst clearly being pretty nifty around a track.

Doesn't matter whether you put a Toyota badge or Subaru badge on the bonnet, it's still about as undesirable as it can get.
So the Toyobaru is less desirable than say a...diahatsu copen? A pink nissan micra cc? Ok it might not be the best looking or the quickest but as far as I'm aware they aren't very expensive either. Surely as something thats relatively practical, reasonably priced, smart looking coupe and a hoot on a british B road the toyobaru is pretty desirable.

MX7

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Given the price difference between the Toyobaru and the MX5, I'm not sure that they are directly comparable.

Crunchy Nutter

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I'm obviously not alone in being surprised at how little faster the Toyobaru pair are than the MX-5. Does make you wonder, and the Mazda still looks like the last true driver's bargain out there.

On another note, the guy in the 86 is clearly the better driver of the two Toyobaru chaps. Maybe some of it is in the different suspension setups... but it's probably more about the men at the wheels.

scarecrow

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Congratulations Suboyota, you have created a roofed S2000 with less power and nearly as peaky power delivery but without the fun and twelve years behind Honda vtec.

bamberwell

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scarecrow said:
Congratulations Suboyota, you have created a roofed S2000 with less power and nearly as peaky power delivery but without the fun and twelve years behind Honda vtec.
+1 as much as i love the fact that subaru and toyota can build a fun car in these austere times, it's slower than a s2000 and not that much quicker than a mx-5..........

Wadeski

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scarecrow said:
Congratulations Suboyota, you have created a roofed S2000 with less power and nearly as peaky power delivery but without the fun and twelve years behind Honda vtec.
for ten grand less, and with rear seats - well done indeed, Subayota.

marcosgt

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Rubbish - Toybaru have created a car that's slower than an F1 car - What a crock of ste! biggrin

In reality, great to see someone (other than Mazda) build a car with the main aim of driving enjoyment!

If only one of the mainstream European or US-based manufacturers could do this.

M.

MarkRSi

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Could someone point me towards a new RWD 2+2 coupe with more than 200bhp for around £25k or less?

vz-r_dave

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Always gets me when people base a car on its straight line speed alone, too many pub/keyboard warriors on PH these days.
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