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Monday 7th May 2012

Driven: Renaultsport Megane 265

We bag the first facelifted Megane 265 in the country ... and then take it out again to rag it round Spa



We passed a restaurant the other day called 'Afters'. The concept was simple but utterly brilliant; it served nothing but puddings. Skip the measly starter, and the disappointing main, and leapfrog straight into sweet, sticky heaven. Along with toothache, it gave us an idea.

An invitation had just arrived to drive the new Renault Megane, but before we could savour the sweet new Renaultsport 265 version we had to chew our way through a host of TCEs and DCIs. Wholesome yes, but not particularly PH-worthy.


But by skipping the launch and waiting a month, we could get our hands on the first Megane 265 in the UK. And best of all, we could then drive it straight back out of the country and across to Belgium, where Renaultsport happened to be running one its Journee Passion trackdays. Spa Francorchamps? On y va...

Alarm bells
Truth be told, first press shots of the Megane 265 were a little troubling. When the first lines of the press release boast of power hikes and styling packs, and you have to dig deep to find even a mention of spring rates and dampers, let alone weight savings, alarm bells start to ring. Had the men from Dieppe finally been sucked into the front-wheel drive arms race?

So it was a relief, then, when the Capsicum red Megane 265 with Cup Pack arrived, mercifully unmolested by the optional 'Red Design Pack' (red striping on the front blade, rear diffuser and side protection mouldings). And it wasn't lost on us that this is the same shade used for the legendary Clio Trophy either.


Settling into the familiar Recaro seats - a £1,300 option - is perhaps the main event as far as the interior goes. But to say it is an uninspiring place is unfair. It's immediately obvious that this is no raw hatch in the vein of a 172 Cup. In fact it's placid at a cruise, with little road or engine noise filtering through to the cabin. Grown-up is not a description we'd often associate with something from the Renaultsport range, but that's exactly how it feels.

Renaultsport does grown-up shocker
That it can put on a suit and tie and act sensible is commendable, but it's not what Renaultsport is about. What we really want to know is how it performs on a typical British B-road. The opportunity to find out arrives shortly after Tonbridge, as we continue our journey across to Eurotunnel's Folkestone terminal cross-country.


Traffic is light, and the Megane's 265lb ft of torque means the few vehicles we do encounter are easily despatched. That's up 15lb ft from the outgoing 250, thanks to an increase in the maximum boost pressure to 2.5 bar. It's easily accessible too, coming in strong from 3,000rpm, and allowing brisk progress with minimal cog-swapping if you're feeling lazy.

Leave the Sport mode off and you're effectively in a Megane 250, the extra 15hp being restrained until you press the stability control button. And for the first few miles we keep the leash on but it still feels rapid. Blip down an extra ratio approaching a tight corner, plant the throttle about a second earlier than seems feasible and feel the limited-slip differential and clever Perfohub front suspension work their magic, pulling you out of the turn.


There is so little torque steer and such immediate forward progress that even those with knowledge of the technical genius at work must suspend disbelief. Only on the lumpiest, camber-riddled corner entries, under hard braking, do you feel the front wheels losing the battle to multi-task.

More of the good stuff
Accessing the Sport mode releases both the full power and the full potential of the 265. The traction and stability control now intervene at a higher threshold and a sharper throttle response signals the increased urgency. Perhaps a little too sharp, if we're being picky, and delivering too much, too early in the pedal travel. Spec the optional Renaultsport Monitor, with its lap timer and live data display, and you can choose from several different maps. Without it, you're stuck with the default setting.

It's probably a good thing that you need to actively seek out this extra power, because when you do any recalibration of the throttle pedal pales into insignificance compared to the mental readjustment required. Suffice to say it's a total B-road weapon. Properly quick and with a fantastically throaty exhaust note, embellished by the occasional pop and crackle, that just adds to the drama. Such a shame then, that more of the noise isn't allowed to permeate the cabin.


Despite the potency, there's still an overriding sense that you're in a Renaultsport. The chassis is quite brilliant, yet this is mated to incredible levels of corner grip under power and an ability to devour straights that the lesser Renaulsports can only dream of. And so we arrive at Folkestone with enough adrenaline flowing through our bloodstream to make the sniffer dogs twitch.

Welcome to Belgium
The antidote, as always, to this enthusiasm is the Belgian autoroute. Yet, once again the Megane's quality cabin rises to the occasion. Only the Cup chassis, with its stiffer springs, dampers and anti-roll bar, disrupts the calm.

With a busy and well-attended track day diary run by Renaultsport both in the UK and on the continent, most Megane 265 owners will be tempted onto a circuit sooner or later. Indeed, judging by the number of 250s and 265 Trophy versions in the paddock at Spa, the Megane III has been incredibly successful in mainland Europe.

Only 50 of the 265 Trophy models were available to buy in the UK last year but, despite the new car being all but identical to this 'limited edition', the UK owners we speak to at the event aren't too upset. The consensus seems that it was always going to be an obvious next step for the Megane. That every Trophy came with free entry to the entire UK track day calendar may also have had a strong placatory effect.


Health Spa
Such is the popularity of these events, and Spa in particular, that 140 cars (35 from the UK), have signed up. Big numbers, but Spa's a big track and by the afternoon sessions there's plenty of space on the circuit. So how does the Megane 265 perform? Well, as you might expect. In places it could do with more power, and almost everywhere it would benefit from less weight, but these are entirely forgivable criticisms considering this is no stripped-out track special. That it can keep pace, and occasionally even outpace, the 888-shod R26.R on track is testament to its talents.

With greater freedom to explore the chassis, it quickly becomes obvious that trail-braking really helps to bring the rear into play and tuck the nose into the apex. Accelerate hard from the clipping point and the front end just grips and goes. Only the brakes force us to back off when they began to grumble shortly after lunch.

OK, so it's very thirsty and a bit lardy on track, but this new Megane can both tick the daily driver box, and dissect a B-road like a Group N spec tarmac special. Would we have one? Damn right we would. But that still leaves the eternal Renaultsport conundrum; to Cup or not to Cup? Well, that depends on the fortitude of your co-driver, because as much as the limited-slip differential of the Cup chassis makes this car, on the wrong road in the wrong mood, the ride is stubborn enough to destroy relationships.


Renault Megane Renaultsport 265
Engine
:1,998cc 4-cyl, turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp):265@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft):265@3,000-5,000rpm
0-62mph: 6.0 sec
Top speed: 158mph
Weight: 1,320kg
MPG: 28mpg (18mpg including track time)
CO2: 190g/km
Price: £26,040 (£24,840 265 Cup)


 

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Twilight1

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Sometimes you just don't need words in the video. Looks good, I hope you could improve the sound on future videos.

Dave Hedgehog

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the high bonnet line looks a bit odd

think i would take the toybaru over it thou

jason s4

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From the video alone, i would say that looks like a very capable car.

I like it.

Butter Face

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Lovely looking and incredibly capable. 10/10 from me smile

exgtt

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2.5bar!!!??? eek
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MarkRSi

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exgtt said:
2.5bar!!!??? eek
I'm no expert with turbos... but isn't that a bit high? Perhaps it means 1.5bar boost? (1.0bar atmospheric + 1.5bar boost = 2.5bar total pressure)

Fittster

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exgtt said:
2.5bar!!!??? eek
For us uneducate types is that a lot for a petrol turbo?

Glitchy

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exgtt said:
2.5bar!!!??? eek
I was shocked by that too

The Crack Fox

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I've driven the pre-facelift model, it was utterly fantastic, as good as fwd gets. However, and I'm sorry to say it, the feeling that it might be a nigh-on worthless broken thing in a few years time puts me off. Renault build quality isn't great, is it ?

Also, I'm sure they'd win a few more badge-conscious (ex Golf Gti) customers if it had a different badge on the snout, isn't the RenaultSport place in Dieppe the old Alpine factory ? They have a great heritage there, without the taint of Scenic/Laguna/Clio. How about the Alpine Megane 265 ? Sounds cool, non ? Just a thought, anyway.

exgtt

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Fittster said:
For us uneducate types is that a lot for a petrol turbo?
2bar on a Cosworth YB will get you 450+bhp! Think Markrsi is on the money, although 1.5bar is still pretty high.

Edited by exgtt on Monday 7th May 11:55

ArosaMike

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£26k before options?! You could buy a second hand M5 or a really well sorted MX5 for that.....or a Golf GTI Edition 30



Sorry I couldn't resist :lol:



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MarkRSi said:
I'm no expert with turbos... but isn't that a bit high? Perhaps it means 1.5bar boost? (1.0bar atmospheric + 1.5bar boost = 2.5bar total pressure)
My friend came up with a phrase "2 Bar... 2 Much".

Yes it's very high.

14.50 PSI = 1 Bar, so that means 36.25 PSI. Which is quite funny. I think very few petrol tuned cars push that much, except those tractor racing diesels at 500 PSI.

Even if they did, lag city.

I would say 1.5 bar for a 265 bhp car would be too high too, 21.75 PSI ?!

St John Smythe

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ArosaMike said:
£26k before options?! You could buy a second hand M5 or a really well sorted MX5 for that.....or a Golf GTI Edition 30



Sorry I couldn't resist :lol:



getmecoat
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rustytools

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I've got to agree, £24-26,000 for a Megane. Maybe I'm just tight and stuck in the past but way too dear for me new.

Out of interest what kind of price difference is there between the Megane and a top spec Renaultsport Clio nowdays?




Hoygo

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Amazing car,looks fantastic too,for the performance is the best car you can buy new,don't give a fvck if anyone would take a 200 bhp 27K jap crap over this,this humiliates even much more powerful cars most of the time.


Would i buy one? if company car definitely YES,if my own private car probably not new,i would prefer some hardcore rwd stuff for the money.Sure badge snobs will take it down even if they have never driven it.

philmots

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Fantastic car..

lol at the French, it will be broke after a few years comments.

Regiment

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Used to have the 250 Cup, best car I've ever driven bar none.


Butter Face

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rustytools said:
I've got to agree, £24-26,000 for a Megane. Maybe I'm just tight and stuck in the past but way too dear for me new.

Out of interest what kind of price difference is there between the Megane and a top spec Renaultsport Clio nowdays?
Megane List price starts at £24,840 for a 265 Cup.

Clio list price starts at £17,135 for a 200 Cup.

What you really want is the 'full fat' 265 with Cup chassis, Recaros, 19' Steev Wheels in Black with Red lip, RS Monitor, climate pack and Xenons. In Arctic white.

Yours for £31,890 wink

Hell of a car though...

lgomgf

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by the looks from the video either this car has the stiffest chassis I ever seen or the worst camera mounting...

rustytools

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Pah, that's peanuts!

Fair do's though, I've driven neither so can't really comment. They look fantastic cars to drive (looking at the specs) and this Megane seems excellent by the review. I'd love to have a drive and I'm sue driving one would change my opinion.

I wont open the new vs used price debate as its comparing apples with oranges...but I will say... even if I won the lottery I still don't think I'd ever buy new, I'd try my hardest to find a nearly new (say sub 5k miles) whether it be Renault or anything German or anything else in fact. I just couldn't live with that initial depreciation. Then again, I'm a tight git so thats just me.

This Megane sounds great but I think the shape needs to grow on me. I find this happens all the time, when the previous Range Rover and 5 Series cars came out i thought they looked ugly, now I think they look great. Anyone else find this or is it just me?
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