RE: PH Carpool: Peugeot 205 GTI 1.9

RE: PH Carpool: Peugeot 205 GTI 1.9

Monday 22nd October 2012

PH Carpool: Peugeot 205 GTI 1.9

A much loved hot hatch icon, not many 205 GTIs have had quite this much adoration...



Name:
Nick McConnell
Car:
1988 Peugeot 205 GTI 1.9
Owned since:
2008
'Clean' doesn't do Nick's 205 justice
'Clean' doesn't do Nick's 205 justice
Previously owned:
All sorts of cars from Fiesta XR2i, Vauxhall Calibra, Modified Rover 620Ti (250hp and kept eating gearboxes), MR2 Turbo, 406 GLX with £10K of ICE install, '99 Audi A6, Saab 93 TiD, Audi A4 Avant...

Why I bought it:
I bought Pugly the 205 for a couple of reasons. Firstly I always wanted one, secondly I had just come out of a long term relationship and needed something to keep me occupied so what better reason to buy a toy/project - not that us men need a reason!

What I wish I'd known:
How naughty you become when you get behind the wheel! Good 205 GTIs are alive and make you do naughty things. My good friend has a 1.6 GTI and it's the same for him! Nice open roundabout ... damp or dry a good excuse to tripod round it or encounter the wonderful lift off oversteer!

No, he hasn't married it, though it is love
No, he hasn't married it, though it is love
Things I love:
It's raw, basic and mechanical. No PAS, ABS or traction ... pure driver skill and enjoyment. I love the fact that the car will always bring a smile to my face even if it's just a trip down to the supermarket or a Sunday afternoon countryside blast - it just makes you smile and feel happy! I also love the attention it gets. Everyone seems to have a soft spot for the GTI. I even got pulled over once by the police because they just wanted a look at the car!

Things I hate:
The air circulation/fan ... it's pants but that's about it!

Costs:
205 GTIs are not dear to run. On average I get about 25-26mpg out of a tank of super unleaded. Parts wise, well, thankfully it doesn't break that often and if it does I have a trade account at my local GSF. Also the local Peugeot dealers normally help me out and offer some discount! Pugly isn't my daily car and lives in the garage most of the time.

Even Clarkson is a fan of Nick's 205
Even Clarkson is a fan of Nick's 205
Where I've been:
Pugly the 205 has been all over the place! She is used on track, me and Sarah (now my wife!) did a road trip in Europe back in 2009 where we did 1,100 miles in four days including a "fairly spirited" lap of the 'ring. Pugly didn't miss a beat and the only thing that went wrong was an indicator bulb blew. She is already a bit of a media star in that she was used by Performance Tuner Magazine (now defunct) and Auto Express for features. Mr Clarkson has also used her (and the 405 Mi16) recently for the filming of his Christmas DVD. Peugeot UK also seems to like borrowing her for shows etc and there is a rumour that she will be taken for the local and national launches of the 208 GTI next year. Peugeot UK always looks after her and lends me something nice; last time it was a brand new RCZ that Sarah got to use for the week as I was out of the country with work!

What next?
Well, having just restored her at the start of 2012 (see the standalone thread for the full story) I have some planned maintenance on Pugly planned for this winter including new shocks all round, new discs and pads and some braided hoses. I will probably change the bottom end shells just as a preventative measure. Oh and I am having the wheels refurbished.

Restoration blog reveals depth of Nick's affliction
Restoration blog reveals depth of Nick's affliction
I am never selling Pugly - she will be with me til I die now, Sarah knows this and has come to terms with it ... at our recent wedding Pugly was my wedding car and the ushers turned up in my best friend Kevin's white D-reg 1.6 GTI!

Pugly will be hitting the tracks next year too as well as making appearances at as many PH Sunday Services as possible.

Not forgetting my other project for 2013 - Molly the 1993 Ph2 405 Mi16. Keep your eyes open for the thread on the forum.





Author
Discussion

TVR500Morgan

Original Poster:

1,183 posts

152 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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Definitely a future classic ! and massive fun. thumbup

X5TUU

11,939 posts

187 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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Beautiful, and what a worthy project, and the fact she is being used and not just a garage queen makes it even better!


sinbaddio

2,370 posts

176 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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Great car, excellent write up. Look forward to reading about the 405.

Gunslinger1979

11 posts

140 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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Lovely Pug! How I ache for a clean one of these. My compliments! Great shot of you and the big man too!

SpeedEight

893 posts

275 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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Reading that makes me miss mine frown

broadside

856 posts

282 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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What a fantastic looking GTI. This is a classic shape and will never age. This was the car that made people in the UK take notice of Peugeot along with WRC wins with the T16.

I have never driven a 205 GTI, nearest I came was my dad buying a 305 GTX which had the carb version of the 1.9 engine rather than injection. The car handled very well too but I believe from those in the know the 205 GTI was definitely in another league.

For me, the owner has the right attitude for classic car ownership, use them, thrash them occasionally and look after them. I hope you have many years of fun and adventures ahead of you!!

garypotter

1,500 posts

150 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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All my friends that owned GTi's loved them and all rant about the good ol days, most of the cars if i remember ended up in fields and a one went into the M25 crash Barriers oops.




TonyHetherington

32,091 posts

250 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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God dammit.

You're determined to make me buy a 205, aren't you PH people?!!?

I even met Nick and his utterly brilliant car at the recent WaxStock show, that didn't do me any favours either.

Stop tempting me with glorious 205 discussions. I've got a house to buy!!!

driving

Batfink

1,032 posts

258 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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broadside said:
What a fantastic looking GTI. This is a classic shape and will never age. This was the car that made people in the UK take notice of Peugeot along with WRC wins with the T16.

I have never driven a 205 GTI, nearest I came was my dad buying a 305 GTX which had the carb version of the 1.9 engine rather than injection. The car handled very well too but I believe from those in the know the 205 GTI was definitely in another league.

For me, the owner has the right attitude for classic car ownership, use them, thrash them occasionally and look after them. I hope you have many years of fun and adventures ahead of you!!
More outright grip yes, but thats partially to do with the wheels on the 205 1.9 gti. The 205 1.6 feels more nimble though due to the smaller 14" wheels and thinner tyres.
The 309 was the better handling car, similar in feel to the TU engined 205's. The 309 GTI had lighter steering and better chassis response due to the better weight distribution. It was ugly though so although I've driven and owned just about every version I kept the 205 gti with the Mi16 engine. Looks matter biggrin

Denver09

134 posts

187 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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THEY DONT MAKE EM LIKE THEY USED TO

vrooom

3,763 posts

267 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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I had a white one in 1.6 form. it was epic to drive but it was typically french, everything went wrong...

bencollins

3,502 posts

205 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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great car and restoration.
looks a bit high though!

belleair302

6,843 posts

207 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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I enjoyed three 1.9's during the late 80's and early 90's.....fun cars and very quick. only issues I had was hot starting problems and tyres.....lots of tyres. Great drives, wonderful engines and dreadful interiors.....oh the plastic was woeful. As a car to thrash 5*.

s m

23,222 posts

203 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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Batfink said:
More outright grip yes, but thats partially to do with the wheels on the 205 1.9 gti. The 205 1.6 feels more nimble though due to the smaller 14" wheels and thinner tyres.
The 309 was the better handling car, similar in feel to the TU engined 205's. The 309 GTI had lighter steering and better chassis response due to the better weight distribution. It was ugly though so although I've driven and owned just about every version I kept the 205 gti with the Mi16 engine. Looks matter biggrin
They were 185 width on both cars as standard. 185/60x14 on 1.6, 185/55x15 on 1.9

Batfink

1,032 posts

258 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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s m said:
They were 185 width on both cars as standard. 185/60x14 on 1.6, 185/55x15 on 1.9
I stand corrected. I think all my 1.9's ran 195's. I never owned one from new though. The weight on the steering and grip is still very apparent when you switch from 14" to 15". Lower profile, overall increase in unsprung weight, rotational inertia etc etc.

trunks82

252 posts

198 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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I had a miami blue 1.9.the only car ive ever sold for a profit.fantastic machines!

bob1179

14,107 posts

209 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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That is just an awesome car and a total credit to it's owner.

I love it!

I have a mountain to climb to get my old Pug looking that good, a nice bit of inspiration though.

smile


s m

23,222 posts

203 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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Batfink said:
s m said:
They were 185 width on both cars as standard. 185/60x14 on 1.6, 185/55x15 on 1.9
I stand corrected. I think all my 1.9's ran 195's. I never owned one from new though. The weight on the steering and grip is still very apparent when you switch from 14" to 15". Lower profile, overall increase in unsprung weight, rotational inertia etc etc.
Yes, a lot of people bought 195/50x15s for their 205 1.9/309 Gtis. They were usually cheaper and easier to get hold of although the OE tyre was a 185/55x15 Michelin MXV ( IIRC ) as standard

Alex 855

58 posts

169 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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Beautiful GTi.

Few years ago I had a 1.9 CTi (convertible) with Gutmann tuning.

Wider wheel Arches like the "Rally T16S", duplex exhaust with 4 tailpipes, etc..... a dream in white.
When I look at the photos today - I think the tuning looks a little bit ridiclous and overstated...it was the spirit of the time ;-)


anything fast

983 posts

164 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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ohhh, naked painted inner wheel arches.. something so wonderful about a restored car especially in white! no plastic liners or dreadful underseal! Great car in every way mate!