RE: Mustang to Capri in one move

RE: Mustang to Capri in one move

Tuesday 6th November 2012

Mustang to Capri in one move

A drive in the mighty Shelby GT500 and how it'll influence 'the new Capri' for Europe



In our story about the future Focus RS, poster hwajones had this advice for Ford: "Sort the interior, sort some 4wd, and give us the 3dr Capri!"

Well Mr Jones, if the four-wheel drive is unlikely to happen, then we have good news on the Capri. It is returning, only we'll know it as the 'Mustang'.

Hang on, we hear you cry, but the Mustang already exists as a ripsnorting, wheel-spinning hunk of old-school Americana. This is very true, and to highlight that fact we've had a drive in the GT500 Shelby with its eye-popping 662hp (more below).

Styling could borrow from Ford Evos concept
Styling could borrow from Ford Evos concept
Next Mustang = new Capri
But it's the NEXT Mustang that'll get closer to modern Capri spec and that car is coming to Europe and the UK.

This was officially announced in September and we've since had confirmation from Ford that the coupe and convertible will be right-hand-drive.

So here's why it'll be as much Euro-focused Capri as Stars-n-Bars Mustang when it arrives late in 2014. Firstly it'll have a four-cylinder Ecoboost engine with turbocharger to supplement the 3.7 V6 and 5.0-litre V8 versions. That two-litre motor may or may not be bored out to 2.3, but what is certain is that it'll make at least 250hp but record an official emissions figure that won't require the full toe-touch come tax-time.

Boggo Mustang costs just £14,250 in the US
Boggo Mustang costs just £14,250 in the US
While it'll stick with rear-wheel drive, the all-new car is likely to gain independent rear suspension, something only the SVT Cobra model from 1999-2004 has ever boasted in an official Mustang. Spy shots of test mules appear to show this IRS, signaling the possible end of the solid rear axle. Yes burnouts might be trickier, but for the UK's scarred and somewhat bendier roads, this is progress.

Simple pleasures
Americans are naturally scared that us sophisticates across the pond are going to ruin their blue-collar mirthmobile.

“It's a great idea to market the Mustang worldwide, but it would be a mistake to pander to those cultures for its styling or technology," Steve Turner, editor of 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords told the Fox News website recently.

As long as the next one can still do this...
As long as the next one can still do this...
Talking of styling, this here 'culture' would find it just as unpalatable if Ford went down the same bland, please-everyone-and-no-one route it took with the Probe. The talk is it'll take some cues from the 2011 Ford Evos concept, which wouldn't be a bad thing.

The new Mustang will become more expensive for Americans than the current car, especially with independent rear suspension. But let's not forget they pay the equivalent of just £14,256 including local taxes (California) for the base 'stang. That's for a 3.7-litre V6 making 305hp and you still get stuff like 17-inch alloys, six-speed manual and remote locking. You can lease one for £151 a month, with £2,000 down.

Even this Shelby GT500 we're about to get into costs just £33,900 in the States. For that you get 662hp and 631lb ft of torque from the 5.8-litre supercharged V8 - just staggering figures for the price. Ford reckons it'll clear 200mph, with magazines in the States recording 3.5-second 0-60mph drag times.

Bold claim, but GT500 does have 662hp
Bold claim, but GT500 does have 662hp
Fitting tribute
This tribute to the great US racer, tuner and Friend of Ford, Carroll Shelby, who sadly died this year, has been comprehensively reworked to cope with all that power. The list is endless, but we like this fact: the steel two-piece driveshaft is replaced by a single-piece carbon fibre version.

"The car makes so much power and torque that we needed to go through the entire driveline system to ensure it moves to the wheels in a manageable way," said Jamal Hameedi, chief engineer for SVT, the Ford performance arm that created the car.

We're about to head out onto Brands Hatch Indy circuit in the coupe version and our thoughts are now, help. The gearshift with its ridiculous (sorry, 'iconic') cue-ball top is massively long-throw and the clutch bite point very high. It's also very long-geared and we're told third is fine for all but the straight. This isn't a car designed for short, technical circuits. Runways, perhaps.

GT500 felt a bit constrained around Brands
GT500 felt a bit constrained around Brands
Oversized, over here
With this in mind, the V8 bellow takes on the pitch of a caged bull elephant demanding a return to the plains of Africa - a fabulous sound, but you feel a bit sorry for the creature that makes it.

Foot down onto the track and the power is something else. It doesn't feel quite like 662hp, but the car is most definitely quick. It also feels well roped down in the corners and the steering responds reasonably quickly to small inputs.

You'd think with all that power that the GT500 would rotate at the merest brush of the throttle if not completely in a straight line, but it requires a bigger hoof than that and grip is good enough to allow early power out of the bends. It's not nimble enough to be properly quick round here, but by god is it fun.

We left thinking the GT500 has definitely got a place in a 10-car dream garage (either that or a Corvette ZR1). Like the editor of 5.0 Mustangs and Super Fords, we do hope the blunt-instrument appeal of a car like this doesn't disappear among the Ecoboost, IRS sophistications of the new one.

A blend of the two and a start price of around £22,000 should get Capri fans in the UK promising themselves a Blue Oval badged coupe all over again.


FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 COUPE
Engine:
5.8-litre, V8 supercharged
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 662@6500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 631@ 2200-5800rpm
0-62mph:  n/a
Top speed: 200mph+
Weight: 1744kg
MPG: 18-29mpg (UK gallons)
CO2: C-O-what?
Price: £52,995 (Newport Imports)

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irocfan

Original Poster:

40,421 posts

190 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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can't help thinking that a euro-Stang would end up being a disappointment frown

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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If we can have it with a V8, and it's not too over-complicated then it should be very popular indeed.

StottyZr

6,860 posts

163 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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The stats at the bottom sum it up well. Awesome. 662hp for £53,000 lick

Twincam16

27,646 posts

258 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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irocfan said:
can't help thinking that a euro-Stang would end up being a disappointment frown
That's why I think it should be badged as a Capri over here and maybe given a few styling licks (easily done with different set of panel kits etc) to differentiate it from the Mustang. The V8 model can still be a Mustang though.

The Nur

9,168 posts

185 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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irocfan said:
can't help thinking that a euro-Stang would end up being a disappointment frown
+1 fair enough if it is cheap but I doubt it will be when it gets here

balls-out

3,609 posts

231 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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Krikkit said:
If we can have it with a V8, and it's not too over-complicated then it should be very popular indeed.
I think it will be very popular around places like PH, which relfects about 0.0% of the buying public.
the rest will wonder in bewilderment why they would pay that much for someting without a BMW/Audi/Merc badge and then complain that the dash board is a bit plastic and not tactile enough.

ReaperCushions

6,010 posts

184 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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Maybe a dumb question, but why don't Ford simply do a RHD Mustang and sell it over here?

Must save a fortune in R&D and its bound to be popular.

I know I'd be all over one if it was RHD and around the £20k - £25k mark

Debaser

5,814 posts

261 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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A RHD Mustang on sale here is great news!

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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irocfan said:
can't help thinking that a euro-Stang would end up being a disappointment frown
+1

Mikebentley

6,105 posts

140 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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But that's the problem. It wouldn't be 20 to 25k for many reasons and some of the European cars make more sense....when did that really matter though. Wife and I are looking for 60 s Mustang at the moment as depreciation is all but done on a good classic so you never really do your money.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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The Nur said:
irocfan said:
can't help thinking that a euro-Stang would end up being a disappointment frown
+1 fair enough if it is cheap but I doubt it will be when it gets here
Cheap is relative though and while the PH article might tout that a base model can be had for £14k it can only be managed when you factor in currency. In the States they can't buy it for 14 grand...local currency.

Twincam16

27,646 posts

258 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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balls-out said:
Krikkit said:
If we can have it with a V8, and it's not too over-complicated then it should be very popular indeed.
I think it will be very popular around places like PH, which relfects about 0.0% of the buying public.
the rest will wonder in bewilderment why they would pay that much for someting without a BMW/Audi/Merc badge and then complain that the dash board is a bit plastic and not tactile enough.
Sorry, but I doubt that. I don't think the average BMW/Merc/Audi buyer is the sophisticate the manufacturers would think they are, but rather someone riddled with status anxiety desperate to show all the neighbours how well they're doing. Why else are so many of them base-model diesels with dress-up trim levels like SLine and MSport?

These people will have seen Gone In 60 Seconds and all manner of Hollywood car-chase films. As far as they're concerned 'Mustang' exists in a realm beyond Ford, and it's one that will appeal to showoffs currently pottering around in Audi A6 SLine Le Mans 2.0 TDIs.

voltage_maxx

368 posts

209 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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As perhaps suggested, why not a turbo four-pot and V6 version, badged as a Capri, and then the full fat V8 versions as Mustangs?

It would fit in entirely with the model heritage, and would be more marketable too.
No-one wants to say they have a V6 Mustang, but a V6 Capri sounds cool! biggrin

J4CKO

41,530 posts

200 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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irocfan said:
can't help thinking that a euro-Stang would end up being a disappointment frown
Jesus, we get the sniff of a turbo 250 bhp RWD coupe and we pull a face ! ok , on PH 250 bhp barely raises a smile, but this engine can, and will get the wick turned up, you buy it as a reasonably priced coupe that doesnt kill you on VED and then Mountune and the other usual suspects will give you 300 bhp plus, the ecoboost is early in its development on the tuning market, lots more to come, I suspect a boosted turbo may be quicker than the V6 and not feel far off the V8.

I think Ford should do some restyling and call it Capri, it has the right proportions (the cab forward fwd concept made me shudder) and the Mustang has prove then nostalgia market can sell cars, it isnt just the UK, the Capri had a big following worldwide, especially Europe and even in the States, sure they could sell some to Americans who are fancying something the same but different.

I will take mine with the turbo engine, styling with hints of MK1 and MK3 Capris (less said about the MK2 the better) and some remixed 18 inch alloy Rostyle style wheels, in Silver Fox with a black, bonnet and get this, X, L and R packs, dummy vents, map light, furry dice, Feu Orange the works.

Ford will probably turn it into a diesel MPV though and call it the M max.

will01

33 posts

161 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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Ford should produce a new Capri but it should look like a Capri and not a Mustang.
I really do think alot of people out there would love to drive a new version of the car you always promised yourself.
Maybe for some of the older guys out there who used to have Capris when they were young would love to have a new type Capri to relive their youth smile

Chicane-UK

3,861 posts

185 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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To be honest I'd be reasonably happy even if they sold it here with a V6 and a noisy exhaust.. just something to make it stand out from the diesels and soulless four cylinders. Pretty unlikely though.

Still great news they'll be selling the Mustang here. Now if only they'd sell the Challenger, I'd be happy wink

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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The Crack Fox said:
I wonder if those with £50k to chuck at a sportscar might turn their noses up at a blue oval on the bonnet, irrespective of how good the car is ? Was GM's Monaro a sales success ? That's the only recent equivalent I can think of.

Good luck Ford.
I think that's quite a valid point. And what Ford need to do is pitch the car at the right demo-graph.

In the US the Mustang is affordable for young motoring enthusiast and an icon and toy for wealthy people who know the cars historic significance and likely owned or lusted after a Stang in years past.

In the UK the older wealthy group is certainly small to non existent and few will know or car about the Mustang preferring to opt for a Porsche or something.

So that really only leaves the young car and/or enthusiast market. This is quite different from the States but I think it exists. A Stang pitched at the people who used to buy Evo's, Impreza's, MX-5's and the like would be the way to go IMO.

Really it needs to be a performance bargain and look good while doing it.

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

242 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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The Crack Fox said:
I wonder if those with £50k to chuck at a sportscar might turn their noses up at a blue oval on the bonnet, irrespective of how good the car is ? Was GM's Monaro a sales success ? That's the only recent equivalent I can think of.

Good luck Ford.
GT seemed to go down well at more than twice that.

J4CKO

41,530 posts

200 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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No, you are probably they will buy an Audi or BMW, you know, as they are "exclusive", couldn't have the Jones thinking they aren't living the "premium dream", a Ford, the very idea !

I had someone trying to tell me that he got the fact my 944 is a Porsche, but is very old, he was trying to place it in the pecking order and it was an anomaly, it had a good badge but was old, he asked how much it cost and he was then happy, non petrolheads do have a system they use.

DanDC5

18,786 posts

167 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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I'd rather have a GT86 to be honest.



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