RE: GT86: the next step

RE: GT86: the next step

Tuesday 13th November 2012

GT86: the next step

Where next for the GT86? PistonHeads drives two prototypes with proposed factory upgrade packages...



Question: should the Toyota GT86, or its Subaru twin, be any grippier/faster/swankier? Or would that spoil the Prius-tyred purity of this wonderful regenerator of simple cars and accessible handling fun?

Blue prototype uses officially sanctioned mods
Blue prototype uses officially sanctioned mods
Tricky one. If you're Toyota, though, you have to do something to keep the GT86 marketable through its life cycle. And given the brilliance of the GT86's rear-wheel drive handling, it might almost seem a shame not to let it corner faster and generate higher-g thrills.

We've been driving some development cars which show where the GT86 is headed next. Not the much-speculated-upon convertible, still unconfirmed, but a GT86 tricked-up with TRD (Toyota Racing Developments) modifications and a potential factory-built, harder-edged addition to the 'official' range. Two different ways of achieving similar results, and wildly different outlays to get there.

TRD has been selling GT86 enhancements in Japan for a while, and the catalogue will be offered in the UK from early next year. The orange TRD-tweaked GT86 waiting for us at the ParcMotor test track outside Barcelona (a brilliant autodrome tumbling up and down through sweeping hills, much like the Osterreichring or the Mount Fuji circuit) has about £16,000-worth of modifications. Visually obvious are the deeper, more aggressive front and rear bumpers/valances and matching sill covers, plus a simpler rear spoiler and a four-tailpipe exhaust system. Black 18-inch wheels wear 225/40 Michelin Pilot Sport tyres.

Copper-coloured car gets pick of TRD parts
Copper-coloured car gets pick of TRD parts
Range expansion
A TRD-badged, range-topping GT86 will join the UK line up at the same time as the TRD components catalogue goes live, which will feature these cosmetic changes plus revised interior leather with embroidered '86' badges on the headrests. Our test car, however, has some deeper changes. Behind those wheels are bigger brake discs clamped by Brembo monobloc calipers, and Kayaba (KYB) dampers adjustable for ride height (set here at 15mm below standard) and damping force. The springs are 20 per cent stiffer and there's an additional carbon fibre brace between the front suspension towers.

In all, then, it's an authentic representation of what an owner might want to do to make his/her GT86 a bit harder-edged. There's an interior to suit, too, with three extra round gauges (oil temperature and pressure, water temperature) where the information screen normally sits. So it's goodbye to the stereo.

More grip, more poise but is it more fun?
More grip, more poise but is it more fun?
The two pairs of tailpipes emit a deeper note, but not a loud one. This TRD-developed rear exhaust box eases top-end breathing and liberates a few more hp, but subjectively the engine feels as normal apart from a slightly sharper response. Piling into the ParcMotor's first bend, however, shows a GT86 significantly altered in its handling feel.

Harder edge
Instead of quickly building up a slip angle calling for an interactive balancing of your steering and throttle inputs in usual GT86 fashion, the TRD car hunkers down and tracks with a precision closer to a track car's. You can still alter the handling balance with your right foot, of course, but you'll probably be going faster, the breakaway will be snappier and you'll have less time to think. There's less feedback thanks to the tied-down suspension but more g-force, and the brakes are magnificent with a powerful, solid, progressive bite.

TRD-branded Brembos among upgrades
TRD-branded Brembos among upgrades
This is potentially a faster GT86 around a track, but is it a better one? For the road I suspect not, given that the suspension is pretty firm as standard. And, curiously, I found myself arriving at the circuit's chicane faster in a standard GT86 than in the TRD car. That's probably because the standard car is easier for an average driver like me to drive near its edge, because it tells you more.

OEM mods
Gain some, lose some... And so to the dark blue development car that's likely to become an extra mainstream derivative. Here, everything has to be engineered and certified to factory-spec standards, which is why its rear tyres are the same size as the TRD's but the fronts have a 215 section, to give the factory-required clearance from the wheelarch. The wheels are BBS, the brakes and springs remain standard, but the dampers are Sachs units uprated over the standard Showa fitment.

Wilder looks aside it's a softer set-up
Wilder looks aside it's a softer set-up
There's a plate-type limited-slip differential instead of the standard Torsen unit, with a final drive ratio shortened from 4.1 to 4.3 to one. The aerodynamics kit includes a large rear wing, the ensemble apparently effective from as little as 30mph. A different flavour of TRD exhaust has two large-bore tailpipes, and a possible preview of the putative convertible's way of ensuring torsional stiffness comes in the form of door latch stabilisers - plates which slide together around the latch to jam the door against its aperture. "It makes it possible to tune a car's body stiffness," says GT86 chief engineer Tetsuya Tada, "because it isn't always best to have the most rigid body. A certain amount of flex in the machine helps the human. We could even tune a track car to have different degrees of stiffness in each side."

Tyred out
Our test car is again in Michelins, but production versions will have bespoke Bridgestones or Dunlops. "The original idea was not to make the GT86 tyre-specific," Tada says, "but here we are not asking tyre manufacturers to compensate for weaknesses in our car. We can get 100 per cent out of any tyre, so we said to them, 'Make your best.'"

Wing does actually make a difference
Wing does actually make a difference
Tada reckons the Sachs-damped GT86 rides better than the standard car, and certainly its relative suppleness combined with tight control of big body movements makes it easier to experiment with than the TRD car. Like that one it grips hard, but there's a touch more initial understeer to lean against and you feel you can trust it more in a long, fast corner.

The shorter gearing makes the acceleration a bit punchier, while the exhaust makes a deep, powerful burble with a hint of a flat-four beat and some great fluffs and pops on gearchanges. The whole effect is a more focused version of the standard car although here, too, you might miss the regular article's instant chuckability on the road. And here's the crunch: Tada reckons this car would cost just £800 more than the current standard GT86 to build, yet it's ultimately nearly as effective on track as the TRD car and rather more friendly to drive. Expect it in the pricelists next year.

Improved damping really counts
Improved damping really counts
In other developments, Tada has got together with all the high-quality aftermarket tuning companies to ensure they have proper GT86 data. This new strategy, he hopes, will eliminate sub-standard parts and protect everyone's reputations. 'Our original intention was to create a capable blank canvas,' he says. This could result in tuning packages specifically for street, track, rallies or drifting, all properly developed.

As for extra power, Tada rules out turbocharging for the simple reason that there's no room for it in the exhaust system of such a low-mounted flat four. Supercharging, then? In reply, Tada-san just smiles...









   

 

 

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Raitzi

Original Poster:

640 posts

212 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Boost gauges and wings ready but no turbo or any other engine mods to make not want cayman S/R instead of this.
Also tuners fitting turbos and taking 400bhp from Gt86 just fine. I need OEM solution because legislation in my country sucks.

Edited by Raitzi on Tuesday 13th November 09:27

Rawwr

22,722 posts

234 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Raitzi said:
Boost gauges and wings ready but no turbo or any other engine mods to make not want cayman S/R instead of this.
What boost gauges?

DanDC5

18,793 posts

167 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Raitzi said:
Boost gauges and wings ready but no turbo or any other engine mods to make not want cayman S/R instead of this.
Also tuners fitting turbos and taking 400bhp from Gt86 just fine. I need OEM solution because legislation in my country sucks.

Edited by Raitzi on Tuesday 13th November 09:27
Because you can get the Cayman S/R brand new for the same money...

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

218 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Loving the look of the orange one, amazing what change in wheels size and some plastic can do. Not that I don't like it in standard guise.

Quacker

40 posts

154 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Turbo please, thanks.

Rawwr

22,722 posts

234 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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I personally feel it doesn't need any more power.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Waiting for Subaru to make a blue and gold turbo one.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Rawwr said:
I personally feel it doesn't need any more power.
I think it's fine as is, power-wise, but surely model evolution will include more power down the line. I think that's what the majority of people will want, rather than some stick on tat spoiler.

Alanok

45 posts

182 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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I'm surprised at the comment about not turbocharging and the reason being not enough space in the engine bay. Plenty of aftermarket tuners have turbo charged the GT86 no problem, engineering very neat solutions.

I particularly like this turbo solution, http://www.speedhunters.com/2012/11/avo-brz/.

Edited by Alanok on Tuesday 13th November 10:34

RINGMEISTER

154 posts

181 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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I bet Subaru could make a turbo fit in there. I dont know why Tada San is so against the idea, tuners have already fitted them sucessfully

StottyZr

6,860 posts

163 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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At first I thought the spoiler looked gash, although from the side profile theres something that reminds me of a Supra scratchchin

I love what they're doing with this car, a blank canvas for you to make it into whatever you want. Brilliant idea and I hope it is very successful so more car are produced this way in the future.

MarkRSi

5,782 posts

218 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Jonno2212

58 posts

141 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Awesome!

GFWilliams

4,941 posts

207 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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I've driven the TRD GT86 and a standard one and have quite a few road miles under my belt in both now

I found that the TRD inspired a lot more confidence in the quicker corners, you could turn the TC off without the fear of it suddenly letting go mid corner in the TRD. In the standard one I felt you needed it in sport, but it still cuts you mid corner quite a lot which takes some of the fun out of it and unsettles the car a bit.
In the slower corners though the standard GT86 was more fun. I think to be honest if you had coilovers lowering the car down a bit, but with standard tyres that'd be ideal for me personally. Maybe some brakes with a little more bite if you can get them to fit, but even some better pads would help. I also think that the TRD as it is now needs a bit more power so that you can actually overcome the grip in the dry, it's all a bit too easy when you can mash the throttle coming out of a corner and it'll just grip. I'm sure some people like that though!

Rawwr

22,722 posts

234 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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hornetrider said:
I think it's fine as is, power-wise, but surely model evolution will include more power down the line. I think that's what the majority of people will want, rather than some stick on tat spoiler.
It's funny really, given the choice of vehicles available on the market, if people really want a fast car; why not start with a fast car in the first place?

bicycleshorts

1,939 posts

161 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Rawwr said:
hornetrider said:
I think it's fine as is, power-wise, but surely model evolution will include more power down the line. I think that's what the majority of people will want, rather than some stick on tat spoiler.
It's funny really, given the choice of vehicles available on the market, if people really want a fast car; why not start with a fast car in the first place?
Especially when turbo Imprezas are the same price.

Alfa159Ti

827 posts

157 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Every time I see these I am disappointed all over again.

The concept looked so exciting.

The finished article just looks....well....ugly and dated to my eyes.

The styling just doesn't work for me at all and the Lexus-esque rear lights look nasty.

And that wing looks like it was stolen off my 1998 Alfa 156. At least mine has retro appeal to counterbalance its silliness.

hwajones

775 posts

181 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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I'd love a drive in one, wonder if they are cheap to insure given lesser power figures?

Hideous rear spoiler on that blue one!

dasvolk

18 posts

145 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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No turbo, no care.

bicycleshorts

1,939 posts

161 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Alfa159Ti said:
And that wing looks like it was stolen off my 1998 Alfa 156. At least mine has retro appeal to counterbalance its silliness.


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