RE: Lexus IS pre-prod drive

RE: Lexus IS pre-prod drive

Friday 7th December 2012

Lexus IS pre-prod drive

Credible 3 Series rival at last? PH sneaks a teaser drive in the forthcoming Lexus IS to find out



What have they been taking at Lexus recently? As if the LFA supercar wasn't enough, the brand best known for its hybrid tree-hugging, conservative nature and immaculate build quality unveiled a bonkers 650hp twin-turbo V8 version of its sedate LS saloon at the Los Angeles Auto Show last week.

Lexus will be hoping some of that feelgood factor rubs off on the new IS saloon, which will be officially unveiled at Detroit in January. We managed to sneak a drive of a disguised IS to get an early feel for the car and see if it's finally got what it takes to take on the BMW 3 Series.

Handling is tidy but BMW can sleep tight
Handling is tidy but BMW can sleep tight
The good news for PHers is that there will definitely be a new version of the M3-chasing, V8-powered IS F. The bad news is that it won't arrive for at least 12-18 months until after the standard IS goes on sale in summer 2013.

The baby Lexus range is likely to need that kind of fillip too if it's to prise reps out of their A4s, 3 Series and C-Classes. Lexus sold about 2,000 IS models in 2011, but will be hoping for closer to 4,500-5,000 sales per year when it's up and running. To put that into perspective those are the kind of sales the 3 Series can push out of UK showrooms every six weeks, wider range or no.

And for all the glamour of the IS F and M3 models the reality is diesels are the bread and butter, accounting for four in five sales in the class and symbolised by the all-conquering BMW 320d. Which makes Lexus's decision to drop its previous IS Diesel and put all its weight behind a hybrid all the more peculiar - until that is, you look at the figures. The new IS300h will boast a 2.5-litre four-cylinder engine allied to an electric motor and a CVT automatic, with an estimated 0-62mph time of 8.5 seconds and 130mph top speed.

Lexus is staking its wedge on hybrids
Lexus is staking its wedge on hybrids
Headline figures are, unsurprisingly, aimed at tempting 320d drivers away from the black pump with around 64mpg combined and 99g/km. Which isn't as sexy as the IS F's tarmac rippling ability but probably more relevant for company drivers.

So much for number crunching, how does it drive? Back to back with the existing IS, there's no question the new one boasts a sharper turn-in than before and the Lexus engineers' claims that they wanted more driver focus aren't without merit. It's reasonably easy to adjust your line mid-corner via the throttle and feels exactly how a rear-wheel drive car should.

Confident brakes and immediate reaction from the steering wheel paddles suggest plenty of promise for when the IS F eventually arrives, but for the moment the IS isn't quite the match for a 3 Series, even if it's probably a more rewarding and involving car than an A4 or C-Class.

Swiitchable dash inspired by LFA
Swiitchable dash inspired by LFA
There are similar highs and lows inside too. The Active Sound Control system to make the 300h sound rortier than it really is didn't entirely win us over. Instead of similar systems like the 911's exhaust valve, this actually uses a behind-the-dash speaker to attempt to add a secondary element to the existing engine note. Instead of sounding tastier though, it merely sounds like a motorbike is following just behind you. Thankfully you can switch it off.

Similarly gimmicky and bound to split opinion is the F Meter which, as on the LFA, allows you to switch the appearance of the rev counter, speedometer and trip computer by physically moving the dial sideways in the binnacle. It's initially quite fun to play with and isn't entirely dissimilar to the chronometer-style dials in the 1999 original.

We need to reserve our final judgement of the new IS until after we've driven the production version, but certainly our first impressions are positive. It might not be able to match the 3 Series for driver enjoyment and handling, but as an alternative to the big German three, it seems a credible choice. Now we just have to wait for the IS F...

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Denorth

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559 posts

171 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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here is a video by Jay Leno's Garage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...


RINGMEISTER

154 posts

181 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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Why replicate the sound of an engine via a speaker when Lexus know how to make one of the best sounding engines ever in the form of the LFA's V10??? Like the fake tailpipes on the previous ISF these gimmicks can be really off putting

Hellbound

2,500 posts

176 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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A mid-size sub-£50k coupe with the LFA soundtrack is what everyone really wants.

A mini LFA.

A3tdi

268 posts

183 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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RINGMEISTER said:
Why replicate the sound of an engine via a speaker when Lexus know how to make one of the best sounding engines ever in the form of the LFA's V10??? Like the fake tailpipes on the previous ISF these gimmicks can be really off putting
BMW are also at it, they play a sound into the cockpit in the M5.

Mercedes put fake tail pipes on their c63 amg black series/sls.

All these gimmicks are unnecessary.

Stig

11,817 posts

284 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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Hellbound said:
A mid-size sub-£50k coupe with the LFA soundtrack is what everyone really wants.

A mini LFA.
Or more accurately, that's what your average PHer wants. Alas, we are a minority in terms of the overall market for the car.

A V10 soundtrack in an IS just isn't going to happen - well, short of synthesising it and piping that through the speaker!

It's a tough market to play in - let's just hope the final European tuned models hit the right spot.

Tim16V

419 posts

182 months

Saturday 8th December 2012
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The lack of interest in this item probably correlates with the lack of interest in Lexus in the UK I would think!

Our IS 250 was a dog, so was the service, so it's been replaced by a Mercedes. When did anyone last see an ISF let alone care about it?

Lexus have a nigh on impossible job in this country - with domination by the German manufacturers that can easily cater for say three generations of motoring requirements in one family with all the niches covered.

peter450

1,650 posts

233 months

Sunday 9th December 2012
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Tim16V said:
The lack of interest in this item probably correlates with the lack of interest in Lexus in the UK I would think!

Our IS 250 was a dog, so was the service, so it's been replaced by a Mercedes. When did anyone last see an ISF let alone care about it?

Lexus have a nigh on impossible job in this country - with domination by the German manufacturers that can easily cater for say three generations of motoring requirements in one family with all the niches covered.
It's interesting you say bad service, i thought that was the Lexus USP, a good quality service and aftersales

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

218 months

Sunday 9th December 2012
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Tim16V said:
The lack of interest in this item probably correlates with the lack of interest in Lexus in the UK I would think!

Our IS 250 was a dog, so was the service, so it's been replaced by a Mercedes. When did anyone last see an ISF let alone care about it?

Lexus have a nigh on impossible job in this country - with domination by the German manufacturers that can easily cater for say three generations of motoring requirements in one family with all the niches covered.
I love the look of the ISF and you will find a large amount on here who would agree. As for an impossible job? How long have Lexus been in the UK market now 20 years +?? I would say that its entirely possible that they can compete.


anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 9th December 2012
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Tim16V said:
The lack of interest in this item probably correlates with the lack of interest in Lexus in the UK I would think!

Our IS 250 was a dog, so was the service, so it's been replaced by a Mercedes. When did anyone last see an ISF let alone care about it?

Lexus have a nigh on impossible job in this country - with domination by the German manufacturers that can easily cater for say three generations of motoring requirements in one family with all the niches covered.
Its the same 'nigh on impossible' job that they seemed to have bossed pretty admirably in most of their other target markets .

va1o

16,032 posts

207 months

Sunday 9th December 2012
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Have they got rid of the hateful 1980s style digital clock from the interior yet?

jason61c

5,978 posts

174 months

Sunday 9th December 2012
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I like the fact they don't sell 3000000 of them, its nice to have something understated, well built and easy to find in a carpark.

Guvernator

13,151 posts

165 months

Monday 10th December 2012
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I'm quite a fan of Lexus cars, they usually have build quality that the German's can only dream of now. You also don't have to play the option list game as they come very well specced as standard meaning you don't have to spend an extra £10k, just to get the car up to a useable\sellable spec like with the Germans.

However what they have to do is improve the range of engines they offer, especially if they are gunning for 3 series sales. BMW have an engine to suit every taste, from a small frugal diesel, through some very tasty NA straight sixes to some brilliant 3 litre turbo engines, culminating in the storming V8 in the M3. Lexus only had 3, an under-par diesel, a woeful underpowered yet thirsty 3 litre petrol and the pretty decent but very thirsty V8 in the IS F.

A hybrid may win over some company car sales if it's any good but I still think they need to bring in a decent diesel and a decent mid-range petrol engine to compete with the likes of the 335i. The new V8 also needs to be a lot more frugal if they hope to make an impact in the UK market.

Rumblestripe

2,936 posts

162 months

Monday 10th December 2012
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Do PlastiDip do that finish in a can?

Sivraj

256 posts

191 months

Monday 10th December 2012
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Have to say that until the Lexus improves the driving experiance (I found the IS clumsy and cumbersome) and as previously mentioned they improve the engine range they will never realy worry the 3 series.

jimxms

1,633 posts

160 months

Monday 10th December 2012
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jason61c said:
I like the fact they don't sell 3000000 of them, its nice to have something understated, well built and easy to find in a carpark.
Amen. I love being in the underdog club. I also enjoy the confused look I receive when I'm asked what car I've got, and listening to the subsequent conversation about how their German car is back at the dealership having xyz done.

jason61c

5,978 posts

174 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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Guvernator said:
I'm quite a fan of Lexus cars, they usually have build quality that the German's can only dream of now. You also don't have to play the option list game as they come very well specced as standard meaning you don't have to spend an extra £10k, just to get the car up to a useable\sellable spec like with the Germans.

However what they have to do is improve the range of engines they offer, especially if they are gunning for 3 series sales. BMW have an engine to suit every taste, from a small frugal diesel, through some very tasty NA straight sixes to some brilliant 3 litre turbo engines, culminating in the storming V8 in the M3. Lexus only had 3, an under-par diesel, a woeful underpowered yet thirsty 3 litre petrol and the pretty decent but very thirsty V8 in the IS F.

A hybrid may win over some company car sales if it's any good but I still think they need to bring in a decent diesel and a decent mid-range petrol engine to compete with the likes of the 335i. The new V8 also needs to be a lot more frugal if they hope to make an impact in the UK market.
Just to point out a few errors....

The derv option was a 2.2 180ish bhp toyota job that makes about 300lb/ft of torque and is a great motorway cruiser.....

The is250 is a 2.5v6.....

The ISF is known for being frankly amazing on fuel for its size and application, a 5.0 v8 that does over 30mpg on the motor way and will do a genuine 180+mph. What other engine compares?

Guvernator

13,151 posts

165 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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jason61c said:
Just to point out a few errors....

The derv option was a 2.2 180ish bhp toyota job that makes about 300lb/ft of torque and is a great motorway cruiser.....

The is250 is a 2.5v6.....

The ISF is known for being frankly amazing on fuel for its size and application, a 5.0 v8 that does over 30mpg on the motor way and will do a genuine 180+mph. What other engine compares?
Couldn't remember the specifics so thanks for pointing out my errors. However I do know that when I compared them at the time they didn't seem to fare well against their German opposition but that was more to do with lack of choice tbh. Just seems very limiting when you compare it to the huge range the German's where offering and I couldn't find an engine which suited my criteria. Shame as I think they look very nice and build quality is without question, hopefully the new one will have a more competitive choice.

jimxms

1,633 posts

160 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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Guvernator said:
Couldn't remember the specifics so thanks for pointing out my errors. However I do know that when I compared them at the time they didn't seem to fare well against their German opposition but that was more to do with lack of choice tbh. Just seems very limiting when you compare it to the huge range the German's where offering and I couldn't find an engine which suited my criteria. Shame as I think they look very nice and build quality is without question, hopefully the new one will have a more competitive choice.
I think this is part of the reason why Lexus is so reliable. They take a look at the range of Toyota engines and pick a small selection that are the most proven to go over to the Lexus range. You only need to look at the 1G-FE and 2JZ-GE engines in the early IS's, which were both ancient designs but insanely reliable. This is even more aparent in the LS range where up until the LS600h, you only had 1 engine to choose from.

Guvernator

13,151 posts

165 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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jimxms said:
I think this is part of the reason why Lexus is so reliable. They take a look at the range of Toyota engines and pick a small selection that are the most proven to go over to the Lexus range. You only need to look at the 1G-FE and 2JZ-GE engines in the early IS's, which were both ancient designs but insanely reliable. This is even more aparent in the LS range where up until the LS600h, you only had 1 engine to choose from.
Oh I'm sure it does, it's far easier to make 2-3 reliable engines then a dozen but it's still limiting for the consumer. They have no engines to compete on many of the price\performance levels of their rivals.

For instance I wanted an engine with a good balance of performance vs running costs. The V8 was too much for a daily runner but the next engine down, the IS250 was just too slow. At the very least they need to improve the mid range choice or slot in another engine between it and the full fat V8 to compete with the likes of the excellent 3 litre twin turbo engines on the BMW's for instance. I also think they need to offer a bigger\performance diesel as some people want the frugality of a diesel but with more poke.

DonkeyApple

55,253 posts

169 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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I don't like those wheels.