RE: SOTW: Renault Clio Renaultsport 172

RE: SOTW: Renault Clio Renaultsport 172

Friday 14th December 2012

SOTW: Renault Clio Renaultsport 172

Shed roots out a gem this week, as one of the best hot hatches ever comes in under budget



Remember summer hols as a nipper, when you’d dangle a line over the jetty in hopes of hooking something fishy for tea?

As often as not, the catch of the day would be a couple of dirty brown crabs the size of 10p bits – or something more unmentionable. But every so often you’d hit pay dirt, with either a monster 2-inch minnow or a partially-poisoned whelk to carry proudly home to your mum in a jam jar. Eeh, happy days.

An iconic hot hatch - for shed money
An iconic hot hatch - for shed money
Shed has recaptured that glorious boyhood feeling this week after dipping its virtual rod in the murky rockpool of £1000-or-less motoring and coming up with a sweet fish indeed: a Clio Renaultsport 172.

RS Renaults of any hue are rare visitors to our humble three-figure lobster pot. There’s a simple reason for that, which is to do with the laws of supply and demand: they’re great little cars, and people want them.

To cover B-road ground fast for under a grand, there’s little to beat a 172. There’s just no arguing with the rightness of the car’s dynamics. Bunging a pokey motor into a lightweight car – in this case a 172hp 2.0-litre in the bubbleback Clio II 3-door supermini – will always give you decent straight-line performance, but without a decent chassis you’ll need more than decent brakes to make it round the first decent corner.

No paid-up PHer needs Shed to tell them that the 172 (and every subsequent RS Clio to date) has the full package of stop, go and turn. Besides 0-60 performance knocking on the door of six seconds, you’ll enjoy average mpg in the high 30s, with low to mid 40s on cruise. And as a driving proposition, many rate this Phase 1 model above all others, and they’re not just saying that because they can’t afford a Phase 2 either.

Blue dash is a bit naff, but you won't care
Blue dash is a bit naff, but you won't care
The driving position doesn’t suit everybody, and the clutch will feel heavy if you’re coming out of a newer car. The two-tone interior on this ’01 car dates it, but at least the individual tones are not embarrassing. That steering wheel cover is though. It’ll almost certainly be there to hide tattiness beneath, as even the far from mighty British sun will reduce the covering of an early RS Clio tiller to mush.

Mechanically, 172s are tough enough to take both mileage and lead-footed abuse, but they’re not perfect. Repeated hard acceleration (which you’ll be doing plenty of) will weaken and eventually break engine mounts, signalled by a knocking in first gear. Powerflex dogbone replacements will sort it. If you want to keep your inlet cam in one piece, you’ll need to keep on top of the belt changes (auxiliary as well as cam – that’s on a 36k schedule, but even Renault dealerships don't always catch it). Cambelts are every 72k or 5 years.

When they’re warm, engines can rattle, as can exhausts – usually heat shields or centre sections, though back boxes are prone to rot and detachment too. Gearboxes get used a lot on RS Clios, so will blow regularly, along with driveshafts. Again, because of the nature of the car, you must budget for consumables like brakes and suspension. OE front discs and pads should be around £130 up front, and getting on for £200 at the back, where the design incorporates pressed-in wheel bearings. As a compensation, rear shock replacement is a five-minute, two-bolt job; allow £50-£60 a corner. Because the wheels are only 15in, tyres are pleasingly cheap.

Be wary if any of these don't go out...
Be wary if any of these don't go out...
Coil packs, injector wiring, and seat belt/airbag warning lights can all fail. TDC (top dead centre) sensors have a bit of a rep too, causing poor or non-existent starting. A new sensor and its associated loom isn’t that expensive, around £50-£70. Fast running is probably a sticky throttle cable, not rocket science to mend.  

Outside, if you need any reminder that this is a 12-year-old French car with attendant build quality issues, check out the rust scab on the sill. The owner is up front about its flaws and seems to have kept up with the work required. He mentions a non-functioning passenger window, but this is very likely to be nothing more that a regulator, available from somewhere like GSF for about £50.

A catalogue of nightmares? No. Look at it instead as a testament to the comprehensive knowledge bank that’s been built up on these gutsy and willing little cars, by those who have joyfully thrashed and enjoyed them for more than a decade. Buy and enjoy.


Here’s the original ad.

RENAULT CLIO SPORT 172 - Good Example  (£975)

My well loved Clio Sport 172 (phase 1) is now for sale as we really don't need four cars! I'm only the second owner of this car and have had it for just under one year.  

In that time I've put on four new tyres, a new exhaust, had a service done, new Lambda sensor and CV Boot gaiter clips, years MOT, replaced a suspension leg and generally loved and cared for her (including only feeding her Shell V-Power). The previous owner had a new alternator fitted just over a year ago. 

There are a couple of minor bad points - some surface rust on the top side of the sill near the driver's door, gaffa tape on the driver's door mirror and the passenger window doesn't wind down or up. Clio previously had a different registration number but this is going onto one of our other cars. 

Mileage today 94449, will go up as car is in daily use. The car is taxed until the end of December 2012 and MOT expires November 2013.

I've done 7,000 miles in her in the last year and had great fun but it's time to go as we have three other cars nows... 

Author
Discussion

cadoganpier

Original Poster:

37 posts

184 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Cracking little thing

MagicalTrevor

6,476 posts

230 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Not sure I'd be brave enough to buy a sub-£1k one. With less than 100k miles and IF it's in good nick then that's a very, very good price for that.

That's an awful lot of fun for the money

Editted to add, no mention of whether the belts have been done (at all!), they should have been done twice so far.

richb77

887 posts

162 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Mmmm.

I'm not a huge fan of this shape clio.

But I have never got on with small Renaults (being 6ft 5in) and their god awful offset pedals.

That being said, 172bhp at under £1k cant be bad. Even if the belts need doing its still a cheap blast.

I cant imagine what possessed the original owner to spec that interior though...YUCK.

MagicalTrevor

6,476 posts

230 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Standard interior, there were no colour options. It's not too bad in the flesh

Mr MXT

7,692 posts

284 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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A steering wheel cover on a <100k mile car? Do they wear that badly?

RacingBlue

1,396 posts

165 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Mr MXT said:
A steering wheel cover on a <100k mile car? Do they wear that badly?
Yep - my 61K '05 car is suffering from the 'melting' problem.

They're great cars, but I don't think I'd be brave enough to buy a sub £1K one. The list of things that would need replacing would be never ending.

andySC

1,194 posts

159 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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I paid just shy of £16k for one of these in 2000...and I had to wait for it. Kept it for 2 years then sold it to my brother, he kept it for 2 years then bought it back off him.

I'd had hot hatches before (Saxo VTS, Punto GT) but this thing felt (waaaay back then) to be in a different league. In the time it was in "family" ownership it was pretty much trouble free, power steering pump failed (brothers ownership period..ha!) & that was it...consumables & a wash now & again was all that was required.

When I got it I loved the steering wheel covering....for about 3 months!


matbat

773 posts

246 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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This is the best SHED for a long time!

Little else sub £1000 will give you as big a grin!




I'm a little biased though as I've just bought a 172 CUP driving

greggy50

6,170 posts

192 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Awaits tameracingdriver...

Motorrad

6,811 posts

188 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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I spent an hour this morning looking at these as a temporary replacement for my Mustang......great cars but I think I'd be tempted to go upto 3 grand to get a minter.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

197 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Mr MXT said:
A steering wheel cover on a <100k mile car? Do they wear that badly?
Yes!

J4CKO

41,650 posts

201 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Epic value, sounds like an honest ad and the seller doesn't want it hanging round, can't believe these are that cheap, I didn't get on with the one I test drove but I still have a hankering and also an inkling these may become a classic, loot hatches have got bigger and.more powerful, sprouted turbos so one of the last small, normally aspirated hatches.

Would make a great track day car as well, top shedding.

Martin 480 Turbo

602 posts

188 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Cracking little cracker, that.
Neads a good cleaning and some
more fettle to shine again.

How can you advertise it in grime
like that? I'd deduct 200 for even
touching it.

only1ian

689 posts

195 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Now i know SOTW has run out of ideas! They are featuring EXACTLY the same car as the last time it made SOTW back in January 2011:

http://www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=162&i=229...

Not just the same model but quite possibly the ACTUAL car itself that or clio cups all come with the same after market steering wheel cover! Check that mileage matches some receipts and MOTs...

Also nice to know deprecation has stopped!

RickyJ

1 posts

229 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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This was SOTW back in (I think) February 2011, it's appearance then was what got me thinking about, and then buying a 172, 3 months later. Absolutely cracking for the money, although mine was a little more than this one. The sort of car that makes you want to get in and go for a drive just for the sake of it.

m44kts

801 posts

201 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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I was all set for buying a phase 2 172 until Swift Cover said I was too young to be insured on it, (I'm 28 FFS!) could have went elsewhere but didn't fancy losing 6 months no claims.

Shame as I really like them.

J4CKO

41,650 posts

201 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Hmm, eligible for classic insurance yet ?

Tin Hat

1,378 posts

210 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Great fun, but weird driving position - Reminded me of my old MG Metro!

LuS1fer

41,145 posts

246 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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No mention of a cambelt/dephaser so there's £800 straight off. Sadly, these "performance bargains" require the right upkeep because they are fast cars that can kill you and I suspect once you spend the money putting it right, it will be long past being a bargain. The reality is that you can't really "shed" fast cars like this, they always need to be at the top of their game.

roystinho

3,767 posts

176 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Had one as a track car - great fun. Did the belts for £420 from a dealer so don't know who's paying £800. Put top quality brakes on, whole new suspension for £600 which I don't consider expensive. Tyres are 15'', I don't see where the expensive to run part is. Well, apart from the 11mpg on track, but that rose to 40 on the motorways getting to and from.