RE: Driven: Mini John Cooper Works GP

RE: Driven: Mini John Cooper Works GP

Tuesday 19th February 2013

Driven: Mini John Cooper Works GP

The GP impresses when it's on the track - but is it any good out on the road?



We’ve already been lucky enough to enjoy a quick squirt in the second-generation Mini John Cooper Works GP. Four laps of a track were enough to tell us that this is a very well-sorted little car; tremendous fun to drive and pretty quick, too. But can the same be said when it’s released from the confines of the circuit?

Easing out onto the road for the first time, and we’re squeezing our way along Lisbon’s congested streets. The ride quality isn’t great – the combination of rock-hard spring rates and a short wheelbase mean the GP crashes through potholes, and it doesn’t quite have the fluidity of a larger hot hatch like the Megane 265 Cup. That said, it isn’t quite as harshly-sprung as the old GP; there’s been some concession to usability here, and so much the better.

Nip and tuck
Get it out on an open road, though, and it becomes clear that that compromise hasn’t been made at the expense of handling. The GP is still an absolute blast. It’s flighty – the steering follows ruts and bumps in the road a little too easily, so you have to grasp the wheel firmly when you’re on a charge – but in doing so it asks you to commit to driving it properly. The brakes – six, yes, six-pot callipers on 330mm discs – are awe-inspiring, chopping the speed down seemingly instantaneously. Pitch it in, and the front end darts wherever you ask it to with a twitch of the wheel. Leave the traction control in GP Racing mode – a special option unique to the GP that turns off the ASC’s throttle intervention, leaving only the stability program’s braking in play – and it manages to assist without ever poking its nose in when it isn’t wanted. Lift off mid-corner, and the back end settles tidily without stepping out, allowing you to tune the car’s attitude neatly on the throttle. And if you’re not happy with the way it’s set up from the factory the suspension is fully adjustable, race car style.


The engine, meanwhile feels like it’s been tuned for peaky power delivery, so unlike the normal JCWs, it isn’t all about mid-range wallop. Rather, the GP rewards the more it’s revved, begging you to stretch it right out to the red line. For anyone who bemoans the death of rev-happy cars, it’ll come as a welcome relief. There’s 218hp on offer here, although thanks to the car’s 1,160kg weight it feels like more. That’s matched to 192lb ft, with an overboost facility that brings torque up to 207lb ft under full-bore acceleration. 0-60 arrives in 6.3 seconds, with top-in-top coming up at 150mph.

Monetary policy
There is, however, a ‘but’. In fact, there are a few. Firstly, there’s the diff – this time round, it’s electronic. And as good a job as it does, it still isn’t quite as convincing as a mechanical equivalent – it cuts inside-wheel scrabble out, but it doesn’t slingshot you round the corner in quite the same way under power. Next, there’s the engine note – as great a powerplant as this is, it sounds just a touch anodyne compared with the characterful supercharger whine of the old car. Shame.

Huge fun. Not quite £29K's worth, mind.
Huge fun. Not quite £29K's worth, mind.

The biggest problem, though, comes when one turns one’s attention to matters fiscal. Take a deep breath, and have a sit down, because the JCW GP comes in at a faintly astonishing £28,790 on the road. It’s hard to see how that price can be justified. We do, of course, bang on about the M135i being great value, but when it offers over 100hp more, plus rear-wheel-drive and, well, more car – a pair of back seats, for example – for very little extra, it becomes ludicrously difficult to make a case for the GP instead. Of course, it might be the GP’s pared-back ethos which appeals – but in that case we’d suggest you turn your attention to the afore-mentioned Megane 265 Cup, which offers more power, a proper diff, and just as entertaining a chassis – and, again, back seats – for three-and-a-half grand less.

Don’t get us wrong. The GP is a joyous, beguiling little car. And we’d be heartily recommending it if it cost £26,000. OK, it’d be a bit steep when you bear in mind the competition, but you could just about justify it on the basis of its slick styling, handsome interior, customisable suspension and great residuals. At just shy of £29,000, though, and as good as it is, the fact of the matter is it’s just too costly for all but die-hard Mini fans.


MINI JOHN COOPER WORKS GP
Engine: 1,598cc 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 218@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 192@1,750-5,750rpm (Overboost: 207)
0-62mph: 6.3sec
Top speed: 150mph
Weight: 1,160kg
MPG: 39.8 (combined)
CO2: 165g/km
Price: £28,790 OTR

 

 

 

 

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tomv1to

Original Poster:

144 posts

167 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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So what your effectively saying here is its a great car but the first one is better and with that being over 10,000 cheaper to pick up now thats the one to go for as the new one is too expensive.

I wish Abarth would do a stripped out version of the 500 for under 20k. It might not be the fastest thing going around the track but it would definately be the most fun.

nickfrog

21,123 posts

217 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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Used vs new ? That hasn't been debated for a while.

I however agree it's overpriced, although some say this will be offset by strong residual due to scarcity.

Freakuk

3,143 posts

151 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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29K you're having a right old laugh with that

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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to be fair i have one in the garage & i didn't pay list for it, that's before you get to the very favourable 0% interest offers should you require it.

love the car though for what it is, a great fun little hot hatch & agree with the review apart from the engine note.

really?!

i think it sounds terrific, it pops & backfires on the over-run & sounds like a proper old school four, though admittedly if you're standing by the bonet whilst it's idling it sounds like a diesel!

it is a bit crashy on rough roads & my word the tyre roar is loud but i'll forgive it that for the track biased rubber it comes on.

waiting until oulton park next week before i make a final verdict on the lack of lsd

DanielSan

18,786 posts

167 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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The one saving grace of the slightly daft cost price is the facy that it will hold it's value very well indeed. You only have to look at the old Works GP to see that.

dukebox9reg

1,571 posts

148 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
to be fair i have one in the garage & i didn't pay list for it, that's before you get to the very favourable 0% interest offers should you require it.

love the car though for what it is, a great fun little hot hatch & agree with the review apart from the engine note.

really?!

i think it sounds terrific, it pops & backfires on the over-run & sounds like a proper old school four, though admittedly if you're standing by the bonet whilst it's idling it sounds like a diesel!

it is a bit crashy on rough roads & my word the tyre roar is loud but i'll forgive it that for the track biased rubber it comes on.

waiting until oulton park next week before i make a final verdict on the lack of lsd
It a shame that the engine sounds so ruff at tick over. My Cooper S engine is the same. It sounds knackered out of the box. You would have thought BMW would have spent a bit more time trying to dampen those ticks and clatters.

Would love to have a go throwing one of these about but I don't think I could part with that much cash for one.

Krikkit

26,524 posts

181 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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tomv1to said:
I wish Abarth would do a stripped out version of the 500 for under 20k. It might not be the fastest thing going around the track but it would definately be the most fun.
Buy one and DIY! Can pick up a standard one for under £15k list, get merry with seat stripping and carbon bits and you could make something really special for sub-£20k.

DanielSan

18,786 posts

167 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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Krikkit said:
tomv1to said:
I wish Abarth would do a stripped out version of the 500 for under 20k. It might not be the fastest thing going around the track but it would definately be the most fun.
Buy one and DIY! Can pick up a standard one for under £15k list, get merry with seat stripping and carbon bits and you could make something really special for sub-£20k.
And fit some lower seat rails. The one fault I have with all 500's is that you feel like you sit on rather than in them.

tomv1to

Original Poster:

144 posts

167 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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DanielSan said:
And fit some lower seat rails. The one fault I have with all 500's is that you feel like you sit on rather than in them.
To be fair, when I had mine, that annoyed me slightly at first. However, because the way the car throws you around a bit as you go around corners it just adds to the drama and makes you feel like you are going faster.

enroz

98 posts

165 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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DanielSan said:
Krikkit said:
tomv1to said:
I wish Abarth would do a stripped out version of the 500 for under 20k. It might not be the fastest thing going around the track but it would definately be the most fun.
Buy one and DIY! Can pick up a standard one for under £15k list, get merry with seat stripping and carbon bits and you could make something really special for sub-£20k.
And fit some lower seat rails. The one fault I have with all 500's is that you feel like you sit on rather than in them.
My Renault could do with some of that...

Thought i'd join in the random car section of this discission about the JCW.


Yeah, too expensive, but if you've got the money and you like Mini's, then this IS a Mini you will like. Because it's a Mini. Also a good mid life crisis purchase.

TNH

559 posts

147 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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No back seats, but at least i could fit my golf clubs in it... unless that strut brace gets in the way of course.

PKZ4M

184 posts

148 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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I drove one recently, and was impressed by steering and turn in, and that was on very wet roads.... I didn't think the engine felt too different to the std JCW, not a bad thinng, as very urgent with plenty of torque, and plenty of pops and bangs to keep the ears happy.... Not cheap, but great fun and rare......

mrdemon

21,146 posts

265 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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I like it and when you look at Golfs for 40k

29k don't seem to bad for the trick bits you get on it.

Sandy59

2,706 posts

211 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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Well 29k is probably about what my GT3 lost in the last 3 years. If this is half the fun it sounds like it is I'm looking forward to comparing the fun factor when I pick mine up in a couple of weeks time..
The GT3 is awesome, but on real roads for a B road blast the speeds you need to reach for some proper fun is silly.
Lower speeds for similar fun factor, with low depreciation will make this a good buy I reckon.

agent biscuit

92 posts

153 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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gotta agree totally that the electronic diff is a letdown and the price is simply astonishing…..i thought it would be about 26-27k at tops but cant understand the silly mark up……as ive said in the past simply buy an cheap 07 onwards R56 and have a specialist bling it up for u …ive just tested mine this week at Castle combe and with new engine,full race suspension,mini chall brakes ,Quaife diff,full cage ,lightweight wheels ,pirelli slicks,single race seat and some minor mods to the coolin and a basic map this all came in at around 18.5k and it was f*****g awesome …and the GP would never come close to me!! ……why give BMW 30k of ur hard earned cash to then let it sit unused in a garage hoping ud have a classic in the future ….b***x to bmw ..and the last i heard this weekend they hadnt sold all 200?? and some dealer idiot is tryin to sell one at 32 k ???? mental
forgot i had a new owen turbo fitted to…all in the price!

Edited by agent biscuit on Tuesday 19th February 21:53

dandarez

13,282 posts

283 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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I put on here somewhere else that I got a late night ride in one of the test mules a good while back, yep a rhd one.
Here's the proof as a few months have passed now.
Someone commented I had gone out in it in my dreams because even journos had not had a go in the car. Well, here's a stty pic but tells the tale. tongue out



After the ride I so dearly wanted one - the price was not the issue, why would it be with just 2,000 worldwide? Residuals are good with a JCW, with this they can only be great. Sadly, I need rear seats otherwise I would have had one like a shot.

The road holding is b fabulous! The noise is incredible. Makes my JCW sound like a farting Fiat Panda! And the 6 pots are fantastic at stopping it dead. And since I have owned JCWs since Jan 2009 that's some praise.

Bear in mind the spec of the GP2 compared with the JCW. The Recaros alone add 2 grand, how much would the 6 pots cost? I still love my JCW, and I would say the ride quality of both cars was similar. Hit any pothole in a MINI and you'll know. But the MINI reacts so well you can miss them. And don't compare to a M135i (that's a bargain car and goes like stink, but doesn't do it for me.

I got the very last in the line of the old N14 1.6 last July, didn't want to wait for the new N18. People ask me why I didn't wait? Are they mad? The N14 had reached a point where just about had every niggle had been ironed out, the noisy rattle gone, smooth as silk and fast!

GP2 - Great car. For track and road.


Edited by dandarez on Wednesday 20th February 11:05

dandarez

13,282 posts

283 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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enroz said:
Yeah, too expensive, but if you've got the money and you like Mini's, then this IS a Mini you will like. Because it's a Mini. Also a good mid life crisis purchase.
I wondered why I liked it?

MINI JCWs for the last 4 years and loving this GP2. This year I'll be 63, biggrin Mid-life crisis, eh?

nickfrog

21,123 posts

217 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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dandarez said:
The N14 had reached a point where just about had every niggle had been ironed out
Interesting point and I agree about the GP being a seriously good compromise between road and track. Any more lateral grip would be pretty mental, it's mainly what you do with it. But I can't agree with you on the N14. For me it's more like the N14 has reached such a point of unreliability that Peugeot gave up and launched a totally revised engine, the N18.

Carbon build up, ovalising pistons, turbo oil feed lines etc etc. Still no evidence that the latest timing gear is reliable either.

Still you bought new so you have a good warranty and the MINI extended warranty product is good VFM.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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Gay

s m

23,222 posts

203 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
to be fair i have one in the garage & i didn't pay list for it, that's before you get to the very favourable 0% interest offers should you require it.

love the car though for what it is, a great fun little hot hatch & agree with the review apart from the engine note.

really?!

i think it sounds terrific, it pops & backfires on the over-run & sounds like a proper old school four, though admittedly if you're standing by the bonet whilst it's idling it sounds like a diesel!

it is a bit crashy on rough roads & my word the tyre roar is loud but i'll forgive it that for the track biased rubber it comes on.

waiting until oulton park next week before i make a final verdict on the lack of lsd
Are EVO going to do a bit on yours?

By the way, road test in Autocar today