RE: SOTW: Renault Vel Satis

RE: SOTW: Renault Vel Satis

Friday 15th March 2013

SOTW: Renault Vel Satis

Unabashedly ugly but utterly wonderful, this week's Shed is a barge de choix



What’s this? Two 3-litre French Sheds in a fortnight? Yes, and with good reason. Less than ten years ago, the Renault Vel Satis retailed for around £32k. Now, as confirmed by PHer Drtimbo who unearthed this rare lump of history, they can be seen buzzing lazily into the terminally sticky Venus Shed trap. Oh, how the mighty are fallen.

An oil painting, it ain't...
An oil painting, it ain't...
Not that the Vel Satis was ever really mighty. Along with the even more intriguing Avantime that also came out in 2001, it was the product of a spasm of creativity at La Régie that revolved around the obscure notion of a ‘living room on wheels’. Like many advanced concepts, the Aheadoftime was feared, mocked and then ignored to death. It was put out of its misery in 2003 with less than 9,000 units made.

The Vel Satis, however, survived right up until 2009. It may come as a surprise to British PHers to hear just how many Vel Sati were built: over 60,000 cars mooed their way off the Sandouville line in Normandy. Although that plant was about as close to Britain as it could possibly be, we Brits didn’t take to them at all. Renault UK didn’t even bother taking up the option on the 2005 facelift model, what with the fag of doing the RHD conversion and all.

...nope, nor from this angle either...
...nope, nor from this angle either...
It’s thought that less than 1,300 made it across the Channel in total – only about a third of Renault UK’s expectations. A fairly remarkable 900+ of those are still registered today, reinforcing the general opinion that they were more solidly built than the Matra-made Avantimes.

The VS’s relative success on the Continent was buoyed up by a fanbase of French taxi drivers who liked the monstrous amount of space it offered in both the back and the boot, and who didn’t give deux hootes about the spinal wellbeing of their passengers. It rode like a Roman chariot, its new-age suspension having cleverly substituted jarring choppiness for the old-gen Renaults’ silky compliance. Unsurprisingly, this undermined its intended role as an executive soothe-mobile. In the absence of any other homegrown bargery, long-suffering French Presidents were obliged to crash around in bulletproof Vel Sati right up until 2009. No wonder they were always in a bad mood.

...but those seats look irresistibly comfy...
...but those seats look irresistibly comfy...
As a kind of Citroën DS de nos jours, the Vel Satis was richly endowed with Gallic ‘up yours’ ugliness. It’s a timeless sort of ugliness though, one that looks no worse now than it did then. This example (one of the first to be brought into the UK) doesn’t look particularly well cared for, but half a day with the bucket and shammy should work wonders. Shed reckons that the dodgy-looking shutline on the driver’s door is simply down to the door not having been shut by the feckless snapper, but remembering the taxi connection, who’s to know that it hasn’t done a stint in motoring’s equivalent of National Service?

What is for sure is the voluptuous comfort of those seats. They’re as cossetting as they look, and heated too. The rears fold down to create an impromptu landing field for light aircraft. The interior generally is pleasing, especially that alderwood trim. For trivia fans, that’s the wood Fender has used for its Stratocasters since the 1950s. Somewhat before that, Venice was built on alder foundations that are still good today. Tough stuff; looks nice. And as if that wasn't enough, it even comes with a personalised plate. Of sorts.

...and that alderwood trim is pleasant.
...and that alderwood trim is pleasant.
The Isuzu-sourced 24-valve six-pot DCI diesel doles out 180hp and a handy 257lb ft belt of torque at 1,800rpm, making it good for a top whack of just over 130mph and an official combined figure of 32.5mpg – a number you can boost by 10mpg if you drive everywhere at a 75mph cruise. The auto ’box never gives up in its ceaseless search for optimum torque, an admirable trait in one way but a pain in the backside in another.

As a rolling example of Renault’s cleveritude, the Vel Satis was liberally stuffed with electronic comfort and convenience gubernalia. That’s not always a good idea ten years down the line. The Carminat sat nav system is actually quite decent, but the tyre pressure monitors will probably bail out (at £80 a pop) along with the reversing sensors and possibly the electronic handbrake. The voice synthesiser alerting you to faults might grate over time too, unless it’s broken of course, in which case it won’t tell you that.

Bum deal? We hope not.
Bum deal? We hope not.
As with last week’s Peugeot 406 Coupé, running costs can catch you out. Road tax and insurance aren’t bargain basement, nor are tyres at upwards of £200 each. The cambelt has a 5yr/100k expectancy, which is just as well as Renault main dealers will charge you a four-figure sum to renew it. Aircon systems often don’t work properly; rusty pipes can leak, as can fuel injector seals. On the plus side, parts availability is decent as there’ll often be a Volvo or Vauxhall bit that will do the job if there’s no Renault one.

And just to show that the Vel Satis is certainly no worse than any other French exec, let us consider its successor, the Renault Latitude. The what? Exactly.

Here’s the ad.

5 Doors, Automatic, Hatchback, Diesel, 137,000 miles, Blue. 12 MONTHS MOT, LOTS OF SERVICE HISTORY, 3 FORMER KEEPERS, 2 KEYS, ABS, Alloy wheels, Central locking, Cruise control, Headlight washers, Folding rear seats, Immobiliser, Navigation system, Passenger airbag, Rear armrest, Radio/Cassette, Radio/CD, Rear headrests, Side airbags, Radio/CD Multichanger, Traction control, Metallic Paint, Body coloured bumpers, Drivers airbag, Front electric windows, Front head restraints, PAS, Trip computer, Steering wheel rake adjustment, Audio remote control, Electric door mirrors, Isofix child seat anchor points, Alarm, Remote central locking, Leather seat trim, Rear electric windows, Steering wheel reach adjustment, Space saver spare wheel, Reverse parking aid, Electrically adjustable drivers seat, Heated front seat, Heated door mirrors, Electrically adjustable passenger seat, Front fog lights. Insurance Group:15, LOOKS AND DRIVES WELL FOR AGE, CHEAP PART EXCHANGE TO CLEAR, PRICED TO SELL. £890 p/x considered

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richb77

Original Poster:

887 posts

161 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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Crikey. I cant believe these have hit shed money. Not so long ago they where still comanding relatively high sums.

Always been interested by them from a funky, "out there" design and thinking behind it.

Not sure i would/could bite the bullet and buy one though. But at shed money it cant lose much more value!

LancerG

2,870 posts

275 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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I love it !

I would happily cruise around in that as a shed. Just for its rarity factor.

I recall going to LeMans in 2001 and seeing one on the road for the first time, lovely.

carinaman

21,290 posts

172 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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LOL. I wasn't expecting that. smile

Bladedancer

1,269 posts

196 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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Ugly and French-build on one side but luxurious and refined on the other...
I'd give it a miss.

spencermit

39 posts

217 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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Like that alot

kambites

67,554 posts

221 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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Not my sort of car at all, but I still think it's one of the best sheds I can remember. smile

big_boz

1,684 posts

207 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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In France these are every where, and they actually look alright wafting about the french countryside. There is someone local to me in Bradford who really appears to take care of these and it looks (and sounds) like a nice old bus....

Oh and the tyres are £149 each fitted from Black circles for Khumos not £200+....or £25 for Part Warns......

Edited by big_boz on Friday 15th March 08:49

delmatt

506 posts

191 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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These are cool....but find one with an interior that doesnt look so much like its been puked in!

Might look better in the flesh though.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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My next door neighbour bought a 70k mile one on a 54 plate a year ago - absolutely immaculate.

He scrapped it a couple of months ago, the most unreliable, expensive to repair heap of st he has ever owned - his words not mine.

MysteryLemon

4,968 posts

191 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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I don't get the ph obsession with these. In obviously missing something. To me it looks like an ugly, unreliable pile of st. It's not cool or exciting.

Why on earth would anyone on a website like this even consider the thought of owning one or think it a good idea to suggest someone own one?

Six Fiend

6,067 posts

215 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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Drove the V6 petrol at a launch event and thoroughly enjoyed it.

Found the handling perfectly fine belting around Wiltshire's twisty bits and the seats, blissfully comfy. Yes the interior wood is beautifully inlaid too. Interior was a great place to be.

The front looks let the whole package down though for me. Avantime front styling would have been better.

A left field and amusing shed choice smile

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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hehe nicely written article

Hard riding suspension eh? Who'd a thunk it, you'd imagine a big wallowy thing wouldn't you?

Still, top shedding thumbup

ZOLLAR

19,908 posts

173 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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scratchchin

pj77

42 posts

151 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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As an Avantime-owner, I can really appreciate this shed. I don't really like the bland colours on most Vel Satis, but at least it allows you to blend in a little bit with other traffic - not really possible with an Avantime.

As for running costs, I don't think this shed would last very long. Speaking from my Avantime-experience, quite a few parts can and will go wrong. It doesn't have to cost a lot to replace or fix, but there will be an endless stream of bits to fix. I've actually taken my Avantime off the streets recently because now the intercooler and AC need replacing - and I got a bit fed up with the maintenance bills. Not that I would ever regret having bought something leftfield as an Avantime - or a Vel Satis for that matter - but cheap to run they ain't.

Twincam16

27,646 posts

258 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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I have a massive soft spot for the Vel Satis and Avantime, simply because I was there, at the 2000 British Motor Show, when the covers were whipped off this:



It was a complete, running car that Quentin Willson tested on Top Gear and absolutely raved about.

Given the compromises of productionising a concept car and making it a saloon rather than a coupe, I don't think Renault did too bad a job:



IIRC at the same show Citroën released the C5, and were absolutely determined to suggest that it was some kind of successor to the DS. Pretty much every journalist at the show suggested the 'Avant-garde French luxury' crown had migrated to Renault.

I like them, but it would only ever be a daily runabout, and as such I'm not sure I could stomach the running costs.

ewenm

28,506 posts

245 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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MysteryLemon said:
I don't get the ph obsession with these. In obviously missing something. To me it looks like an ugly, unreliable pile of st. It's not cool or exciting.

Why on earth would anyone on a website like this even consider the thought of owning one or think it a good idea to suggest someone own one?
You do know that SOTW is just a bit of fun, yes? If it featured high-mileage 3/5-series every week it would be very very boring. The pick of eclectic, objectively rubbish cars makes the article better.

LuS1fer

41,132 posts

245 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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I am a big fan of the Avantime but this is just ugly and non-descript.

MagicalTrevor

6,476 posts

229 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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Sorry for the Clarkson-ism but 'hearing-aid beige' dash! yikes

MysteryLemon

4,968 posts

191 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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ewenm said:
You do know that SOTW is just a bit of fun, yes? If it featured high-mileage 3/5-series every week it would be very very boring. The pick of eclectic, objectively rubbish cars makes the article better.
Of course I understand shed but the way people go on about these as if they are the holy grail of motoring just doesn't agree with me.

Twincam16

27,646 posts

258 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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MagicalTrevor said:
Sorry for the Clarkson-ism but 'hearing-aid beige' dash! yikes
Actually a Willsonism, although IMO his best one was 'cardiac arrest grey'.