RE: Shed of the Week: Alfa 164 Twin Spark

RE: Shed of the Week: Alfa 164 Twin Spark

Friday 26th July 2013

Shed of the Week: Alfa 164 Twin Spark

An Italian executive express for the price of return flights to Rome; Shed swoons over an Alfa 164



What can you get for £250 these days? Not a lot. For the average powerfully-built PH director type, £250 scarcely covers the warm up libations on day one of a smutty sales weekend with that new intern from Accounts.

164 is at a dealer; what's he paid for it?!
164 is at a dealer; what's he paid for it?!
The day of the road legal £250 car is certainly long gone, thanks to the rigours (hi Riggers!) of the modern MOT test. At least, we thought its day had gone until Shed found this handsome Alfa Romeo 164 with tax to December and an MOT to nearly June for the laughable sum of, yes, £250.

Did you know that '164' in Chinese means 'all the way to death'? The importers got Alfa to rename it 168, which means 'all the way to prosperity'. Some Alfa owners might argue with that but, for £250, where's the risk?

Try telling that to Mrs Shed though. She was predictably sniffy on being told the reason for all the triumphant shouting coming from Shed's man-cave. 'Yes, well,' she muttered darkly into her beard, 'as we all know, people don't buy old Alfas, because they're unreliable. Also, it's bound to be rusty... er... well, there's bound to be some on it somewhere..."

What happened next is unrecorded, but according to the curtain-twitchers over the road it apparently involved a V-sign, a loud reference to Specsavers, and the unmistakable clang of a lightweight frying pan hitting a bony mass.

Is that an early-90s car phone we see?
Is that an early-90s car phone we see?
For them as don't know, the Alfa 164 was a Pininfarina-penned executive saloon designed to offer a hot-blooded Latin alternative to the cool surgical efficiency of BMW's 5 Series and Mercedes W124. It's one of those odd cars that didn't go down a storm at the time and which seemed to go straight on from there to categorisation as untrustworthy Italian rubbish without ever really experiencing much of a sweet spot in the public's estimation.

The view through a pair of Shedly spectacles is of course decidedly rosier. The 164's perceived failure is a bit of a mirage. It actually found over a quarter of a million customers over its 11-year lifespan. The whiff of negativity surrounding the 164 was more a reflection of the quality of that German opposition than a condemnation of the car. Bad timing had a lot to do with it too. Many exec buyers preferred to wait a year for BMW's groundbreaking E34 rather than spring for Alfa's effort, an unknown quantity in this market, when it went on sale in 1987. 164 build quality was actually pretty decent. Alfa used the car as a shapely clothes-horse for a goodly quota of galvanised chassis and body panels. This one here is from bang in the middle of the run.

No chrome on the TS, but it's £250!
No chrome on the TS, but it's £250!
The tuneful 3.0-litre V6 is generally regarded as the best 164 engine, but the Twin Spark two-litre four had its own zingy charm. A relatively lightweight body, 148hp at 5800rpm and 143lb ft of torque at 4700rpm gave it a 0-62mph time of 9.8sec. Not exactly ballistic, but respectable enough. It had some bant about it.

Normally we'd give you chapter and verse on what goes wrong with 164s, but at this price such considerations seem churlish. All we'll say is that Alfa was very proud of the complexity of its wiring system, and of the delicacy of the lightweight plastic cogs clattering around in its ventilation system. Fret ye not though, there are enough 164 enthusiasts around to make this car worth buying just as a scrap donor - but hopefully not before you've had ten months of Barolo-flavoured fun out of it.

Here's the ad. Credit cards oot.

BLACK, Next MOT due 22/05/2014, Tax expires 30/11/2013, Grey Velour Interior - Good Condition, Tyre condition Excellent, Right hand-drive, Average Bodywork, last owner had it 14 yrs, £250

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Nors

Original Poster:

1,291 posts

155 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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Cash in the TAX and sell the rest for scrap and you're probably quids in!smokin

kambites

67,541 posts

221 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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confused Surely that's worth more than that just because it has nearly a year's MoT on it and it works?

Krikkit

26,512 posts

181 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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Lovely shed, and a great write-up too!

carinaman

21,274 posts

172 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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I was looking at that for the second time lastnight. It's in Staffs. If it was easier for me to get to I'd be sorely tempted.

That other one for £995 on Autotrader looks pretty amazing too except for the scratch down the flank.

There's at that black 3.0 litre V6 12V on eBay too but that doesn't have any MoT and been stored for years.

muckyman

296 posts

191 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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'shedding' at its best!

morgrp

4,128 posts

198 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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Grotty looking interior - for £250 I'd run it, rag it and then scrap it - bet you'd get a years motoring out of it - and for that price it can't be bad

Loving the "I can't believe they're not alloys" complete with cable tie action

carinaman

21,274 posts

172 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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I was more concerned about getting those stickers and badges off with a hairdryer.

Uncle John

4,279 posts

191 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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morgrp said:
Loving the "I can't believe they're not alloys" complete with cable tie action
Ha Ha!!!

What's going on with the extras on the grille? Look like wannabee unmarked Polizei....

Still for £250 what could possibly go wrong....???!!!


Edited by Uncle John on Friday 26th July 09:46

carinaman

21,274 posts

172 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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The Crack Fox said:
I've had my eye on these for some time (and it's replacement, the 166), I can't understand why they're so stupidly cheap though...
HonestJohn mentions the Alfaowner online forum. I think you could learn about what to look for with regard to 166s there.

I think this camchain engine in the 164 is a much more robust engine and easier to maintain.

It almost has me wanting to follow S10GTA's shiply purchase of that rancid 405Mi16 from Scotland and get this delivered.

RobbieKB

7,715 posts

183 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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If I lived within 50 miles of the dealer I would have already bought this.

MarJay

2,173 posts

175 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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Finally he gets the point of SOTW.

Doshy

825 posts

217 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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Once had a 75 with the 2lt twinspark, really liked that engine.

Geoffcapes

674 posts

164 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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morgrp said:
Grotty looking interior - for £250 I'd run it, rag it and then fall in love with it and spend a fortune on it
I've corrected that for you. wink

MJK 24

5,648 posts

236 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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"Didn't go down a storm"

"Whiff of negativity"

Are you sure you're talking about the correct car? The 164 received rave reviews and was a successful seller in the UK and rest of Europe giving a great boost to Alfa's sales.

Articles discrepancy aside, great SOTW and a great car. Especially for £250. I'm sure it'd sell promptly at twice the price taking into account the long ticket.

smile

AC43

11,471 posts

208 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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Best shed in ages. Love 164's.

mooseracer

1,873 posts

170 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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MJK 24 said:
"Didn't go down a storm"

"Whiff of negativity"

Are you sure you're talking about the correct car? The 164 received rave reviews and was a successful seller in the UK and rest of Europe giving a great boost to Alfa's sales.

Articles discrepancy aside, great SOTW and a great car. Especially for £250. I'm sure it'd sell promptly at twice the price taking into account the long ticket.

smile
That'll be why in the very sentence before it says "The 164's perceived failure is a bit of a mirage. It actually found over a quarter of a million customers over its 11-year lifespan. "

RSnicks

1 posts

129 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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Fabulous shed - very sorely tempted to buy it just to see how far it will run for £250.

A proper shed, for less than the price of a shed and Waaaaaaay more fun to drive!

Bet its sold within the day..

yellowstreak

613 posts

152 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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Two hundred and fifty quid! An excellent shed. Someone buy it and use it quick!

Alex

9,975 posts

284 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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mooseracer said:
That'll be why in the very sentence before it says "The 164's perceived failure is a bit of a mirage. It actually found over a quarter of a million customers over its 11-year lifespan. "
Yes, but the point is that the 164 was not perceived as a failure.



carinaman

21,274 posts

172 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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When new the build quality was likened to BMWs. Aren't these 2 litres quite easy on fuel too?

Anyone looking to keep it rather than disposable motoring needs to check out the rear subframe.