RE: Ferrari 430 Scuderia: Spotted

RE: Ferrari 430 Scuderia: Spotted

Tuesday 6th August 2013

Ferrari 430 Scuderia: Spotted

Harris fancies a Scud, and the paddles are one of the main reasons why



It has been coming for some time, but I think I can now say with some certainty that the sports cars of the 90s and noughties will in future be viewed in one of two ways: paddles or no paddles. Paddles in this case means actuated manual shifters, not dual-clutch systems.

Pared back look lets you focus on what's good
Pared back look lets you focus on what's good
And according to this categorization, no paddles will be good news, paddles will be bad news.

My aversion to these early attempts at clutch-and-leverless transmissions is probably a touch extreme because I'm a flat-earther who likes to defend real driving. But let's face it, they are mostly rubbish.

So where does that leave the Ferrari 430 Scuderia?

Its hydraulically operated manual 'box should leave it festering in the 'paddles' corner, but I find myself inexplicably drawn to the Scud - always have done, despite the lack of a stick. I thank my lucky stars I found a 512 in time, because after a quick drive in one a few months back I was dangerously close to taking another hit of heroin. I mean finance.

How does it avoid categorisation as a paddle-spudder? For one the transmission somehow works. It's fast, smooth and far better than any of the type that I've tried. It also fits with the ergonomics of the car itself. I know this sounds odd, but when you sit in a Scuderia the relationship between seat and wheel kind of precludes reaching to your left (or right) for a large metal lever.

Stealth spec (relatively) is Harris's choice
Stealth spec (relatively) is Harris's choice
It's also a fantastically aggressive and interactive car - not as fast or technically gifted as a 458 but much more willing to absorb the driver into the process. When you're pushing hard it chews through gears so fast that even a committed stick man has to question whether a manual gearbox would adversely tamper with that addictive brutality.

Put that way, I suppose it's one of the few cars whose paddles actually work with the experience rather than contaminate it. And that's before we celebrate the stunning looks, the gorgeous dual tail-pipes, the bare cabin and the fact that it's a great car on road and track.

Ferrari made a few too many for the Scud to become the next 288 GTO, but this is one Ferrari of the 'modern' era I think will not suffer for having paddles.

At this point I should probably link to a car for sale. I like grey ones. So here's a grey one.


FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA
Engine:
4,309cc V8
Transmission: 6-speed automated manual
Power (hp): 510@8,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 346@5,250rpm
MPG: 17.9mpg (NEDC combined)
CO2: 360g/km
First registered: 2010
Recorded mileage: 11,724
Price new: £172,500
Yours for: £136,950

See the original advert here.

 

   
   
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Aftershox

Original Poster:

397 posts

158 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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Future classic material

CraigyMc

16,392 posts

236 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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Are you aware that "Scud" is a Scots word for Porn?

It seems oddly appropriate here.

cuda

464 posts

240 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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I'd echo those comments about the gearbox/paddles as far as a CSL goes too. But then I would...

GroundEffect

13,835 posts

156 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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CraigyMc said:
Are you aware that "Scud" is a Scots word for Porn?

It seems oddly appropriate here.
I always knew it as 'naked'...but I am a dirty lowlander wink

mrdemon

21,146 posts

265 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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One of my fav cars , and they are rising in price again.

red with gold wheels please.

GranCab

2,902 posts

146 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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Nice to see Mr Harris is back on target ...

Davey S2

13,092 posts

254 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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360 CS will be more of a classic than the Scud despite the latter being quicker and more accomplished.

The 16M has a better chance of appreciating in value but will cost you a fair chunk more to start with.


Rawwr

22,722 posts

234 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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It's also important to check the amount of owners.

Or so I hear.

simonigrale

918 posts

206 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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Very good but nothing like the Scud. The Scud has the best paddle shift box of any car. Dull Clutch I mean dual clutch only works in M5, Audis ect IMO.

Schnellmann

1,893 posts

204 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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In isolation fine. However, if you are used to the current, double clutch boxes, like in the 458, it feels very slow. Still quicker than changing by hand though. Shouldn't put you off having one (IMO).

Guvernator

13,148 posts

165 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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Now this is more like it! I think it's probably one of the most exciting Ferraris out of the new modern batch. I even prefer this to the 458 which I think is a bit too "chintzy" for my tastes but this is what a "proper" hardcore Ferrari should look like.

They even look like a pretty safe investment in terms of depreciation and I was almost certain this is what you were going to go for as your next car Chris so was a bit disappointed with the 512. Sorry to say I'm not a massive fan of the 512, despite growing up in the Miami Vice\Outrun era I just think the styling is a bit too "medalion man" these days but the Scud is nigh on perfect.

CedricN

820 posts

145 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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Is it the same box as the Challenge race cars? Tried a couple of laps at a race track in a 430 challenge car and was not impressed with the gear box, a manual would have been loads better for the driver experience (although there is a Point that the gear Changes arent as boring as a doubble clutch). But the sound track, holy f***.....

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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The sound of one of these is amazing.

jakesmith

9,461 posts

171 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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Pure fantasy garage material, no Porsche can touch this & I'm a die hard Porsche lover & owner

cayman-black

12,641 posts

216 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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Rawwr said:
It's also important to check the amount of owners.

Or so I hear.
rofl

toppstuff

13,698 posts

247 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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While I love the idea of a Scuderia, I am totally turned off by all the BS that surrounds Ferrari these days.

Put some miles on the car and the market punishes you. And Ferrari dealers spank you with servicing costs.

Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.

I can't think of any other manufacturer where putting miles on the car is so frowned upon. After Harris and his experience of the 599, even he must have had that nagging sensation where he wanted to drive the car but was fearful of "putting too many miles on it"..

The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.

All this nonsense puts me off Ferraris to be honest.

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edited for stoopid spelling

Edited by toppstuff on Tuesday 6th August 12:46

Bencolem

1,016 posts

239 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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Chris Harris said:
It has been coming for some time, but I think I can now say with some certainty that the sports cars of the 90s and noughties will in future be viewed in one of two ways: paddles or no paddles.
I think I can say with some certainty that the sports cars of the 90s and noughties will in future be viewed as the last of the truly 'analogue' cars - can't see cars like the MP4-12C or anything with DSG and electric steering being prized quite like a Scud or a CSL (another paddles car!). Surely as the levels of interaction and driver input diminishes so those that exemplified the art will be more coveted?

Terminator X

15,054 posts

204 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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What do people think bout the paddles in the CSL? Paddles only wasn't it?

TX.

kambites

67,553 posts

221 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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Bencolem said:
Chris Harris said:
It has been coming for some time, but I think I can now say with some certainty that the sports cars of the 90s and noughties will in future be viewed in one of two ways: paddles or no paddles.
I think I can say with some certainty that the sports cars of the 90s and noughties will in future be viewed as the last of the truly 'analogue' cars - can't see cars like the MP4-12C or anything with DSG and electric steering being prized quite like a Scud or a CSL (another paddles car!). Surely as the levels of interaction and driver input diminishes so those that exemplified the art will be more coveted?
I don't think that's fair at all. The amount of work the driver has to do and the amount of "sensation" the car feeds back to the driver has been falling continuously pretty much since the motorcar was first invented. I'm not at all convinced that we've had any sort of watershed in the last twenty years, just the continuation of a gradual trend.

Sexual Chocolate

1,583 posts

144 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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Rawwr said:
It's also important to check the amount of owners.

Or so I hear.
Doesn't count, apparently, if your a trader wink