RE: BMW M135i vs Renaultsport Megane 265

RE: BMW M135i vs Renaultsport Megane 265

Friday 13th September 2013

BMW M135i vs Renaultsport Megane 265

Renault's hot-hatch champ puts the 'baby M' to a stiff test of front- versus rear-drive fun



Are a four-cylinder front-driven hot-hatch and a straight-six turbocharged BMW really fighting for the same audience? You can read on to find out but if a Megane is on your shopping list it can't have escaped your attention that it's not that much further to stretch to an M135i. Worth it though? And is rear-wheel drive really the be-all, end-all? If any car can challenge that assertion it's the Megane.

On paper this leap will cost you £10K...
On paper this leap will cost you £10K...
At the wheel
The BMW is too nuanced to boil this down to a simple case of blunt weapon versus sharpened blade, tempting as it may be. On the numbers the BMW is clearly packing a heavier punch than the Megane but it's also carrying 121kg more.

By the numbers the BMW is decisively the quicker machine though, subjectively and objectively. Peak torque comes in at 1,500rpm on the BMW, 3,000rpm on the Renault, meaning you have to be up in the revs on the Megane for it to really come alive. But the BMW's got top end too, and a more charismatic sound once there meaning there's incentive to explore life beyond the torque band.

Then there's the question of the driven wheels. The Megane might put its power through the front but with the optional diff it makes much more of its traction through and out of the corners than the BMW, whose lack of an LSD means it too often spins away its power advantage through its unladen wheel and subsequent intervention, be that you or the electronics. In the wet the Megane is an absolute weapon too, clawing at the tarmac where the BMW scrabbles for traction. The M135i feels fast but stodgy in comparison to the Megane, which is always on its toes and spoiling for a fight, the knife-edge chassis much more exploitable than a front-driven car has any right to be. And it just gets better the harder you push it. On a motorway the BMW rules supreme but on a slithery winter B-road the Megane will leave it standing.

...reality is not quite so clear cut though
...reality is not quite so clear cut though
Basically the BMW is fabulous up to about eight tenths while the Megane only really comes to life and shows its class in the final two. Where you pitch your driving tastes - or requirements - should be the ultimate deciding factor.

Feelgood factors
In the BMW it's that ability to feel as cosseting as a downsized 5 Series on a dreary motorway commute and then morph into a pint-sized muscle hatch at the press of a button from Eco Pro to Sport Plus. There are few driving situations where the BMW doesn't punch way above its weight and few 'normal' cars are going to leave it standing.

The Renault makes you work harder for your thrills and is more single-minded in its approach. In the BMW you have modes to suit your mood. In the Megane it's maximum attack all the time and up to you to play along. When the road, moment and appetite converge it's exceptional. On a bumpy high street, when you're not feeling it, less so.

Four-cylinders and FWD a knife to a gun fight?
Four-cylinders and FWD a knife to a gun fight?
Bragging rights
If badge snobbery and the spec sheet stats matter to you then there's really no contest here - the BMW hammers the Renault on prestige and bald performance numbers. And the traditional appeal of the rear-driven chassis - rare in this price bracket - probably seals it for the purist driver brigade too.

But if you're willing to look beyond status and numbers the Megane has the pedigree and ability that go far beyond its more humble roots. And on a track it's the real deal.

Meanwhile, in the real world...
To compare like with like you'd really want a three-door M135i rather than 'our' five-door. On pure practicality terms neither car is especially accommodating of anyone other than the driver and front-seat passenger. Space in the back of both is limited for full-size people, though fine for kids. The Renault has a bigger boot, though hampered by a small load hatch and tall sill, the five-door and auto options for the BMW opening up the scope to those who need a more all-round machine.

Renaultsport faster than the numbers suggest
Renaultsport faster than the numbers suggest
The BMW's slick controls, glitzy navigation and cool, minimalist interior all feel from a class above the Renault. But the Megane counters with a sense of fun from the upgraded Renaultsport Monitor, the grippy Recaros and brilliantly harmonised controls.

Do they compare on price?
Perhaps not at first glance. The Megane starts at £25,545 for the Cup, rising to £26,745 for the 'full fat' and £28,245 for the special edition RB8 here. The BMW kicks off at £30,570 for a manual five-door, £31,100 for a five-door. As tested (see below for full details) the Megane weighs in at £29,370 while our carefully optioned Cup that we ran as a PH Fleet car not so long ago came in at £28,115.

On paper then you're looking at a near 10-grand price leap to a specced up M135i. They don't call BMW a 'premium' brand for nothing, though the six-cylinder motor and power advantage do make the pill easier to swallow.

Recaros or plump red leather? Seats say much!
Recaros or plump red leather? Seats say much!
Do they REALLY compare on price?
As we're finding out, BMW dealers seem to be reasonably malleable on M135i pricing, with PHers reporting low 30s and even high 20s being enough to secure sensibly specced cars with all the toys you'd reasonably want. That's pretty depressing reading if you're trying to make a financial case for the Renault, though our colleagues at What Car? put the standard Megane's target price at £22,289 against the £28,137 for a three-door M135i by the same measure.

Conclusion
We need to split this conclusion in two really. By the numbers it's hard to see how the Renaultsport can really offer much of a challenge to the M135i's awesome package of ability and value for money. The BMW wins on quality, comfort, badge appeal and raw speed.

But this is PH. And, hopefully, our car buying decisions aren't entirely dictated by cold, hard logic.

Best seat in the house for pure thrills
Best seat in the house for pure thrills
And as a pure driver's machine the Megane pours scorn over it's supposed 'wrong-wheel drive' format, more humble four-cylinder powertrain and hatchback roots. This is an exceptional driver's car that really comes into its own just as the BMW's hugely impressive 'real world' abilities and easy-win performance starts to fade.

Best buy? It's got to be the BMW. But the ultimate driving machine? That'll be the Megane.

 

 

 


Further reading...
BMW M135i vs ... the world!
BMW M135i vs Toyota GT86
BMW M135i vs Porsche Cayman 2.7
BMW M135i vs Audi S3
BMW M135i vs used Porsche 911 Carrera


RENAULTSPORT MEGANE 265 RB8
Engine:
1,998cc 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 265@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 265@3,000rpm
0-62mph: 6.0sec
Top speed: 158mph
Weight: 1,379kg
MPG: 37.7mpg (NEDC combined)
CO2: 174g/km
Price: £28,245 (£29,370 as tested inc. £200 for extra tinted rear and tailgate windows, £250 for keyless entry, £95 for spare wheel and £580 for Climate Pack inc. climate control, auto lights and wipers)

BMW M135i
Engine:
2,979cc six-cylinder, turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive (8-speed auto optional)
Power (hp): 320@5,800rpm
Torque (lb ft): 332@1,300-4,500rpm
0-62mph: 5.1 sec (auto 4.9 sec)
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,500kg
MPG: 35.3 (37.7 auto) (NEDC combined)
CO2: 188g/km (175g/km auto)
Price: £30,525 (before options) £37,680 (as tested inc. £515 for Adaptive M Sport suspension, aluminium trim, complimentary BMW Business Loudspeaker system, £295 for DAB, £360 for Driver Comfort Package comprising cruise and parking sensors, £90 for 'extended storage', £250 for dimming/folding mirrors, full black panel display, high-gloss black finish, £95 for 'internet', £200 for driver/passenger lumbar support, £1,995 for BMW Professional Multimedia, £515 for metallic paint, £235 for front/rear Park Distance Control, £265 for seat heating, £1,600 for Sport auto transmission, £290 for Sun Protection Package, £450 for Visibility Package inc. adaptive xenon lights)

Author
Discussion

joe_90

Original Poster:

4,206 posts

231 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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WARNING..
This thread may contains random views, pointless arguments and crazy counter points, mixed in with cheap straw-man arguments with a covering of RWD+FWD arguments rehashed for the hundredth time.

However.. saying that.. its Friday.. Start you engines..

Ellieb10

63 posts

153 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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In our next report we compare the M135i with a Mazda Bongo Friendee with wood effect steering wheel!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mazda-bongo-friendee-/39...



Edited by Ellieb10 on Friday 13th September 14:11

Vladimir

6,917 posts

158 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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Two fast, well regarded hatches.

I'll take the BM please.

Agoogy

7,274 posts

248 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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Not THAT often the Megane can say it wins on the looks stakes either....but based on these photos it's easily the one I'd be looking back at as I walked away...

bodhi

10,485 posts

229 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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What I find incredible about these cars is that they are putting out less CO2 than my 10 year old 3 litre diesel! Especially in the case of the BMW.

Two awesome cars, I'd be happy with either but would go with the BMW, simply as it has the correct compliment of cylinders and I prefer RWD.

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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joe_90 said:
WARNING..
This thread may contains random views, pointless arguments and crazy counter points, mixed in with cheap straw-man arguments with a covering of RWD+FWD arguments rehashed for the hundredth time.

However.. saying that.. its Friday.. Start you engines..
It's raining. Call it providing a public service to distract from a miserable day outside... laugh

Dan

sanctum

191 posts

175 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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The M135i may look good on paper but it looks like a munter in the flesh. If I had to choose between the two I'd take the renault, but if you gave me the cash to spend? I'd buy an A45 in a heartbeat.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

186 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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"Basically the BMW is fabulous up to about eight tenths while the Megane only really comes to life and shows its class in the final two."

Which is why I'd take the BMW (and others would take the Megane).

It's the same reason I've ruled out the A45 AMG.

Charlie Michael

2,750 posts

184 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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BM for me. Saying that, My missus would prefer the Renault so I could use either depending on my mood. biggrin

Tomatogti

362 posts

169 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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Ellieb10 said:
In our next report we compare the M135i with a Mazda Bongo Friendee with wood effect steering wheel!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mazda-bongo-friendee-/39...



Edited by Ellieb10 on Friday 13th September 14:11
I think this comparison is a fair one. If I was still in my 20s I would have the Megane, now I'm 30 something with kids and not always "up for it" so I'll have the Beemer. A good review highlighting the pros of each in my mind (and coming to the same "depends what you want" conclusion that Evo came to).


Guvernator

13,151 posts

165 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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The M135i is a stunning achievement for BMW, brilliant engine, great RWD driving dynamics, decent economy\running costs and great value for money (and it's not often you can say that about blowing £30k). It has everything going for it that a big engined hatchback could want....but I still don't want one and that is purely down to the way it looks.

For me a car has to excite me before I even get it, has to make me look out the window to admire it, take in the design before I get in it and make me want to look back when I park up, the BMW does none of these things.

Owners try to justify it by saying various things like "it looks OK in the right colour" or "you csn't see it when you are in it" but to me that isn't really good enough. As a package it's probably one of the most exciting hatchbacks to come along in a looong time, I'd seriously have one on my drive tomorrow IF they hadn't made it look like such a dogs dinner. I really don't know what BMW were thinking when they released it looking the way it does. More Alfa 147GTA and less Ssangyong Rodius next time please BMW.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

186 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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There's a facelift in 2014 which may address the Marmite appearance.

JDMDrifter

4,041 posts

165 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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Think i'd have to take the RS car, I do like the BMW but think its no where near as focussed as the Renault.

I'm a die hard fan of both manufacturers but the Renault would be my choice in this test.

alock

4,227 posts

211 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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There's something fundamentally wrong if you need to write a line like this:
"Peak torque comes in at 1,500rpm on the BMW, 3,000rpm on the Renault, meaning you have to be up in the revs on the Megane for it to really come alive."

3000rpm is 'up in the revs' now? Peak torque high up the rev range near the red line makes an engine so much more exciting. The power characteristics of both of these sound dull.

toppstuff

13,698 posts

247 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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I can't think of two cars likely to polarise opinions more.

Some people have a problem with BMW's. They just dont like the image.

Others have a problem with Renaults, regarding them as little more than poorly made French shopping cars that are guaranteed worthless sheds inside 5 years.

I personally just don't get fast Renaults. They have zero desirability.

I am sure others feel quite differently. smile

dukebox9reg

1,571 posts

148 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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toppstuff said:
I can't think of two cars likely to polarise opinions more.

Some people have a problem with BMW's. They just dont like the image.

Others have a problem with Renaults, regarding them as little more than poorly made French shopping cars that are guaranteed worthless sheds inside 5 years.

I personally just don't get fast Renaults. They have zero desirability.

I am sure others feel quite differently. smile
Most people take that view of the Renaults if they haven't driven them at the last '2 tenths'. Have you had a go in any of the more recent Renaultsport products?

I find the Civic type R's are similar in the approach and can see why people love them, I don't. Its all personal pref but I like the Megane. Suppose the extra tq over the Civics swing it for me.

For all I love the Megane though. Id take the 1 series. Would never be a basic 30k car though. Would have to be specced up but even with the bigger price gap id take the BMW.

BS75

1,971 posts

166 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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Ellieb10 said:
In our next report we compare the M135i with a Mazda Bongo Friendee with wood effect steering wheel!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mazda-bongo-friendee-/39...
Not even remotely fair this time around. RS hot-hatch royalty vs M Sport muscle-hatch is exactly the sort of comparison people were howling for when they did the M135i Vs Cayman comparison. Proof that some are never satisfied...

mikebradford

2,517 posts

145 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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Do they seem to change the balance of the criteria slightly each time, to try and give the BMW the win?

dukebox9reg

1,571 posts

148 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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oh and ive seen an RB edition Megane going round Banbury and the contrasting silver trim in the flesh (metal) looks naff. Looks like a Halfords spray tin job. Just needs some silver stickers down the door saying Sparco and 'HKS' to finish it off.

http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/m49rx1Ukddg...

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Friday 13th September 2013
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mikebradford said:
Do they seem to change the balance of the criteria slightly each time, to try and give the BMW the win?
Erm, don't think we do! We've deliberately followed the same format/section headings to keep a consistent feel across all of these stories. As previously discussed, the plan is that we'll have a bunch of these to kind of show the breadth and diversity of the sub-£40K fast car market these days. A few used options to include along the way too. Yes, it's all centred around the BMW as a benchmark but it's a chance to see where we're at with this 'real world performance car' thing at the moment. Personally I'd see it as a pretty good place, as the coming weeks should demonstrate.

Cheers,

Dan