RE: TVR wedge: PH Heroes

RE: TVR wedge: PH Heroes

Thursday 24th October 2013

TVR wedge: PH Heroes

Do PH Heroes get any more heroic than this? Chest wig at the ready - it's the TVR wedge!



Ah, the Wedge. As PH Heroes go, this one's a slam-dunk. From the first 2.8-litre Tamsin of 1980 (we'll quietly forget the insipid Tasmin 200) to the monstrous 450SEAC, the V8s especially, offer a unique combination of giant-slaying performance, epic soundtrack and value for money, and thus encapsulate the hopes, dreams and ambitions of the men who ran the company over the years, Trevor Wilkinson, Martin Lilley and Peter Wheeler.

Raw figures may seem modest; reality isn't
Raw figures may seem modest; reality isn't
It's the value for money that's really startling about these TVR wedges. Right now, you can easily pick up a good 350i for considerably less than £5,000, and even PHer Simon Marzell's lovely 1990 400SE featured here (and previously on PH Carpool) was bought for just £6,800. But values are on the up, and it won't be long before these wedges become fashionable as well as blindingly exciting. But that's why we love TVRs - they aren't for everyone, and revel in the fact.

Casting an eye over Simon's 1990 TVR 400SE, all muscle, sinew and attitude, it's hard to believe that the first incarnation of this car, the Tasmin, was conceived as a sophisticated rival to the Lotus Eclat, styled by the same pen-man, Oliver Winterbottom. The new look was intended to allow TVR to break away from the 3000M series - a car that was very clearly an evolution of the original Grantura.

Design best described as unapologetic
Design best described as unapologetic
New-school
Under the skin, it was pretty much all-new. The chassis was a Lotus-inspired ultra-stiff steel backbone that forked out at the front, to enclose the engine - and at the rear to accommodate the suspension pick-ups. The front suspension was lifted straight from the Ford Granada and Cortina, as were the steering rack and spring/damper units. At the rear things were more exotic, thanks to an arrangement that TVR claimed cost £1,000 per car to put together. A Jaguar differential was paired up with a Lotus-esque box-section. Inboard discs were fitted, and assisted reducing sprung masses.

The problem was despite its technical excellence, the wonderful wedged-shaped Tasmin was launched in the midst of a recession and slow sales, combined with all that new vehicle investment, saw TVR struggle financially. There was also considerable resistance to the new wedge look from existing customers. The end result was that chemical engineering consultant Peter Wheeler swooped in to take over the daily running of the Blackpool carmaker in 1981. Although we couldn't have suspected it at the time, this was the best thing that ever happened to TVR.

V8 transformed wedge and set the TVR template
V8 transformed wedge and set the TVR template
High praise
In 1983 the V8-powered 350i arrived, and unlike the pricey Tasmin, this looked like a sensational bargain. CAR magazine called it 'the greatest sports car since the Ferrari 275GTB/4' - and although that was maybe a little bit over the top, V8 power transformed the Tasmin. It was followed by the 390SE in 1984 and the 420SE (and SEAC) in 1986. From that point on, TVR's future direction was set, and it was tied in with increasingly powerful, lightweight, affordable sports cars.

Increasingly the wedges were seen as the bad boys of the British car industry - and by the time the 420 SEAC appeared in 1986 packing 325bhp, they had earned themselves an enviable 'widowmaker' reputation. Much of what transformed an SE into an SEAC was carried over to the 1988 facelift 400SE (and the following year's 450SE), and pound for pound, these late wedges are probably the best of the lot.

Even from 50 paces, Simon Marzell's 400SE looks a much more well-developed car than its predecessor, with a few of those chiselled edges smoothed off for good measure. It sits on wide OZ Racing alloys, and wears a large rear spoiler with a diffuser too - it's hardly a car for shrinking violets, exuding a menacing air that its 'Growl' registration number does little to dispel.

There's nothing subtle in looks or noise
There's nothing subtle in looks or noise
Loud and proud
The 400SE walks the walk, though. With 275hp and a kerbweight of just 1,150kg, its claimed performance benchmarks of 5.0 seconds for the 0-60mph run and a 150mph maximum, are if anything, a little conservative. Simon agrees, "We've hit the drag strip at Santa Pod and posted a respectable 14.2," he says. Given the art needed, and the sheer theatre involved in getting a 400SE off the line cleanly, that's an excellent time, putting slap, bang up with some very tasty machinery.

When you drive any V8 wedge, your senses will be dominated by its loudness. There is no getting away from that. From the moment you crank the TVR Power V8 into life, the exhaust note is just wonderful - all rumbley and expansive, and enhanced in this case by a slightly shortened silencer. Blipping the throttle is almost narcotically addictive. Once underway, you'll often find the heavy gearchange a bit obstructive, and visibility a bit lacking in tight bends, but you really can forgive this V8 wedge for such inconveniences once the thing goes ballistic above 2,500-3,000rpm.

A marriage made in heaven? Just possibly!
A marriage made in heaven? Just possibly!
On your toes
In the dry, the fat 225/50R15 rear tyres give you more than enough grip, as long as you're not too playful with the throttle at inopportune moments. On tougher B-roads, it's definitely a slow-in, fast-out kind of car that you'll adore giving it plenty on corner exits, once you're sure of the traction levels. The independent suspension is impressive, handling corners and road irregularities without drama, and the steering has tons of feel. But clearly it's best not to become over-confident and instead, treat it with respect. Simon backs that up. "It's a real challenge to drive quickly, and demands respect. It will bite back and hard if you get it even slightly wrong - it has character, big V8 character."

So, with all that performance at such reasonable money, there has to be a drawback. Well. You do need to research well, when planning on buying. There are plenty of build quality and electrical issues to contend with. They all rattle and creak, and the steering columns wobble, so don't fret over that - instead make sure the Rover V8 stays cool, and the coolant temperature needle doesn't wander anywhere far from the mid-section of the gauge. Get that right, and make sure the backbone isn't rusty, and you'll be rewarded with a brilliant sports car that looks like no other, and has a lively social scene to match.

And that's why the TVR 400SE is a proper PH Hero.


TVR 400SE
Engine:
3,948cc V8-cyl
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Power (hp): 275@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 270@3,500rpm
0-60mph: 5.0 sec
Top speed: 150mph
Weight: 1,150kg
On sale: 1988-1991
Price new (1990): £24,995
Price now: £5,000-£15,000







   
   
   
   
   
   
   
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Discussion

wongthecorrupter

Original Poster:

2,414 posts

171 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Love it

molineux1980

1,200 posts

219 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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A chap in the next street to me has one of these - I can hear it from my house when he fires it up. It sounds glorious.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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My first TVR was a 350i. Sounded awesome. thumbup

pjac67

2,040 posts

252 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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A true marmite car and I love 'em.

A Wedge on the mag Fast Lane front cover in 1984 (?) IIRC when I was 17 was when the TVR bug hit me and I'm still on the medication to counter my addiction...

Zumbruk

7,848 posts

260 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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The looks/noise/character are marvellous, but they're tiny and very dated inside.

V8 GRF

7,294 posts

210 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Zumbruk said:
...but they're tiny and very dated inside.
True but show me any '80s car that isn't in comparison to todays barges.

PuffsBack

2,430 posts

225 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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My earliest memory of a TVR as a kid is a wedge with the large 'TVR' decal on the bonnet and the noise coming from the exhaust. After that no other car really did it for me. 30 years on now have had a Chimaera, Griffith 500 and currently have a Cerbera.

I always give the exhaust a little blip whenever I see a little boy just watching as I drive by mouthing the would "WOW" hoping that the memory will stick with him for life as it did me


Zumbruk

7,848 posts

260 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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V8 GRF said:
Zumbruk said:
...but they're tiny and very dated inside.
True but show me any '80s car that isn't in comparison to todays barges.
I guess my point is that the exterior has aged well, but the interior hasn't.

JMF894

5,504 posts

155 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Put simply there is no better value for money when it comes to bang for buck. Had a 400se and a 450 se. Here's my 450se. Only sold due to separation but one day I WILL be back...........





With a bit of bling for good measure to go with the medallion................






Jimbo

Edited by JMF894 on Thursday 24th October 10:44

smash

2,062 posts

228 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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That 450 looks the nads!

Iconic piece of design by Oliver Winterbottom whether you love it or hate it!



My current wedge: 390SE



Edited by smash on Thursday 24th October 10:49

KarlMac

4,480 posts

141 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Its cars like this that make me wish I had a garage :-(

When doing my apprenticeship the boss had a white 400. That was the car the car that originally got me 'into' cars.

jamieduff1981

8,025 posts

140 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Lovely examples smile

There's something really nice about an old looking interior. Sure it looks nothing like the latest exec saloon with a widescreen TV to control the heater instead of knobs and sliders but new cars are transient.

Sitting in something like this is a timewarp back to an era many here will be nostalgic about. There's something rather wonderful about that in a day and age where traffic congestion and changing attitudes to cars conspire to make driving a chore.

For £5k why wouldn't you think this is the best way to make you feel young inside and put a big grin on your face. There are far worse ways to spend £5k. Like on depreciation for a new diesel eurobox, for example.

aarondbs

845 posts

146 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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A wedge 350i is on my list as my proposed starting point for TVR ownership. Its the only silver lining in the cloud of my kids growing up....one day...

I only hope that prices don't become too stratospheric in the meantime.

I remember an old neighbour of Mum and Dads having a white wedge with red 350i lettering and still think its a wonderful package..

One day indeed...

Convert

3,747 posts

218 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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I've had mine for over 7 years, I never intend selling it.

Got up this morning to move the repmobile, so that the wife and daughter could move their cars... Looked up at the sky, and then at the garage and thought it'd be rude not to.

So here I sit at work, frozen to the bone (it is illegal to drive a Wedge with the roof up, in all but the most severe weather), but with the biggest grin on my face.

Mine is only a humble 350i, but God does it put a smile on my face.

blade7

11,311 posts

216 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Nice smile. I very nearly bought a project 400 a few years ago but I already have a 20+ year old weekend toy in the garage. Mr Tank lives nearby and I avoid his garages now in case the urge returns biggrin

Evo

3,462 posts

254 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Not had a wedge however I do get the whole TVR "thing"

Had two Chimaera's and have said my next toy is going to be a little more grown up, a 911 C4S

So with that in mind I'll look forward to getting a Tuscan driving

An un silenced Tuscan may just be too tempting...........

Chunkymonkey71

13,015 posts

198 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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shout Gog! Your thread is here!

Evo

3,462 posts

254 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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And here is a case in point,

£3000 for a 350 Wedge is insane smiles per mile and the chassis's been exposed and checked.

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/t...

jamieduff1981

8,025 posts

140 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Evo said:
Not had a wedge however I do get the whole TVR "thing"

Had two Chimaera's and have said my next toy is going to be a little more grown up, a 911 C4S

So with that in mind I'll look forward to getting a Tuscan driving

An un silenced Tuscan may just be too tempting...........
Prepare to be underwhelmed. Good luck on the future Tuscan hunt smile

DonkeyApple

55,301 posts

169 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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It is impossible not to smile when one of these cars goes past and whatever car you are in still feel a bit of envy. A true PH classic. Affordable, dangerous, smelly, exciting. Brilliant.

Sadly, most Wedge owners seem to prefer to use their Wedge as a garden ornament to roll around under every week or so and cover themselves in muck and oil. That's when they aren't whinging on PH about not having enough time in life to do enough rolling around on the floor next to the car. Strange folk the Wedgies. Strange folk winkbiggrin