RE: Singer Vehicle Design: PH Meets

RE: Singer Vehicle Design: PH Meets

Wednesday 4th December 2013

Singer Vehicle Design: PH Meets

The cars are an object of lust but what makes the guys at Singer tick? PH pays a visit to find out



As you'll have gathered, PH recently spent a few days knocking about California hanging out with various Porsche folk in an effort to get a picture of 911 culture in this car crazed part of the world.

Rob's personal customised '69 911 E was inspiration
Rob's personal customised '69 911 E was inspiration
Porsche owners in these parts have been modifying and hot rodding their 911s for decades but it's only recently that the trend has been picked up by the mainstream, a charge led by the immaculately prepared Porsches customised by Singer for their well-funded owners.

We know Singer of course. Chris Harris's video perfectly captured the atmosphere of perfectionism and geekery that pervades this otherwise nondescript industrial unit in northern LA and if you need to gen up on what goes into the car it's essential viewing.

Common path
Though the 911s they put their names to couldn't be more different the parallels between Singer's Rob Dickinson and Magnus Walker down the road in central LA share much in common. Of a similar age, both describe pivotal childhood exposure to 911s that has stuck with them through success in other fields, migration from Britain to LA and eventual investment of considerable time, money and effort into their passion for Porsches.

Original G-series based car before switch to 964
Original G-series based car before switch to 964
But as Walker courts Porsche's corporate approaches Rob at Singer has had a slightly different experience. Anecdotal evidence points to heartfelt enthusiasm for the beautifully modified 911s at a personal level among senior Porsche personnel, an opinion perhaps not shared by the trademark lawyers resulting in the approved 'Singer - Reimagined' nomenclature.

You'll recall Chris giggling at the battered state of Rob's Mac in his video and it's a neat metaphor for the state of organised chaos he seems to inhabit, constantly roaming the workshop, gladhanding the stream of visiting hacks like us, chatting with the team and generally acting the figurehead.

Future plans
Partner in crime Maz is a little more free to talk details, showing us around the new parts store that's currently being configured in an effort to meet growing demand for projects. "When Chris came here it was one car per year and just me, Rob and a couple of guys," he says. "We're in the process now of building up a stock of parts with the idea being we'll have six of everything in stock and it'll be down to five or six months to build a car."

Singer guys' private cars speak volumes of taste
Singer guys' private cars speak volumes of taste
Just walking round the parts store and hearing Maz detail the work that's gone into each component you begin to realise how that half-million dollar pricetag comes about. Indeed, it almost seems reasonable, Rob admitting that the margins on a completed project barely add up. Like many things at Singer, this prompts a shake of the head, a wry smile and a refreshing sense they're doing this as much for the love and hell of it as anything.

Sitting on a work bench beside the near-completed 'Gulf' car (projects are referred to by the place of ownership), Rob and Maz chat about a vaguely more cost conscious 'California' car that's currently in-build with KW rather than Ohlins suspension and a cheaper version of the bespoke $30,000 wiring loom in an effort to keep a lid on the final price. It's all relative though. And it doesn't take long for the chat to start going the other way.

The car 'in build' when Chris Harris visited
The car 'in build' when Chris Harris visited
'Nutty stuff'
"I shouldn't really be telling you this," giggles Rob, Maz smirking as they describe plans for a super trick, super light weight car under consideration and explaining an earlier reference to titanium wheel hubs and other components for a forthcoming project. "It's going to be so over the top, properly nutty stuff. It'll be extreme but you'll be able to use it on the road." There's talk of an all-up weight of less than 1,000kg (around 200kg less than the standard car) and a seriously hopped up motor too. Anything else? "Um... it'll have air jacks." And then they look at each other and clam up.

Rob's interested in the 991 we've turned up in and paces around it with a critical and informed eye. He is, after all, a graduate of Coventry's car design degree course and worked at Lotus before leaving the business to do the rock'n'roll thing with Catherine Wheel. With his designer's head on what does he think of the echoes of Singer in the houndstooth cloth, muted colour palette, chrome decklid trimmings and Fuchs-style wheels of the 991 50 Years Edition revealed earlier in the year? If imitation and flattery come to mind he's too diplomatic to comment.

964 shells are stripped and prepped for conversion
964 shells are stripped and prepped for conversion
As we make to leave and Rob and the team get back to the day job we get a glimpse of his serious side. The green 'Sweden' car we saw earlier outside the LA Auto Show is back from final shakedown before the customer arrives to pick it up and Rob scoots around it on a foot stool, studiously photographing every angle and spending full minutes scrutinising every last detail as everyone else stands around, chins cupped and nervously awaiting final approval. There's obsessive perfectionism and attention to detail here, for sure, but it's done with heart and soul too.

Half a million? Seems like a steal.


Images (grey 'Indonesia' car): Singer Vehicle Design













   
   

 

 

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JohneeBoy

Original Poster:

503 posts

175 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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Need.

tannedstamina

510 posts

129 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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Perfect!

k-ink

9,070 posts

179 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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My fantasy garage has a couple of these. One to run as a daily. One to park in the lounge as art.

JB!

5,254 posts

180 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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So much love for these. Modifed cars done with so much class and taste cloud9

elhashbrown

45 posts

131 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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I have a real urge to do something along these lines to an old Triumph GT6 that has been sitting in my fathers garage for the last 15 years waiting for him to get to it.

k-ink

9,070 posts

179 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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JB! said:
So much love for these. Modifed cars done with so much class and taste cloud9
They are so damn cool as they look like the factory actually made them that way. Except Singer operate to higher standards of course.

woof

8,456 posts

277 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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Oddly I think the Singer Porsche is a step too far away from the original for me.

I came across this chap yesterday. Magnus Walker. I love what he does. Not so refined but uber cool.
Warning... You'll lose 30mins of your day watching this video.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/19/watch-the-entir...

renaultgeek

473 posts

148 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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if I had half a million, I'd do it myself.

JB!

5,254 posts

180 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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k-ink said:
They are so damn cool as they look like the factory actually made them that way. Except Singer operate to higher standards of course.
OEM+ taken to the nth degree. Factory, only, better. So much better.

jimgreen83

16 posts

138 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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Absolutely beautiful, one day... I love the harnesses built in and wrapped up, it is the small details that make these so amazing.

Greg_D

6,542 posts

246 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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I just adore the product and more importantly, the approach.

it must be absolute bliss for those who've worked hard enough to get in a position that budget doesn't really come into it to be able to order one.

Oz83

688 posts

139 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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woof said:
Oddly I think the Singer Porsche is a step too far away from the original for me.

I came across this chap yesterday. Magnus Walker. I love what he does. Not so refined but uber cool.
Warning... You'll lose 30mins of your day watching this video.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/19/watch-the-entir...
Magnus who?

Seriously though, I do like the 'lifestyle' approach that Magnus has, but some of his modifications are questionable (some of the modified tail lights for example), and adding faux patina - a bit try hard and 'fashion' minded for me. A singer is a re-engineered 911, improved by modern technology and production methods, with a fastidious attention to detail. I admire both builders for their unique approach but I think Singer are in a completely different league.

woof

8,456 posts

277 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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Oz83 said:
woof said:
Oddly I think the Singer Porsche is a step too far away from the original for me.

I came across this chap yesterday. Magnus Walker. I love what he does. Not so refined but uber cool.
Warning... You'll lose 30mins of your day watching this video.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/19/watch-the-entir...
Magnus who?

Seriously though, I do like the 'lifestyle' approach that Magnus has, but some of his modifications are questionable (some of the modified tail lights for example), and adding faux patina - a bit try hard and 'fashion' minded for me. A singer is a re-engineered 911, improved by modern technology and production methods, with a fastidious attention to detail. I admire both builders for their unique approach but I think Singer are in a completely different league.
Yep - Amazing lifestyle !
But yr 100% right the Singer is a different league of engineering etc.


Muzzer79

9,935 posts

187 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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These things are like a tailored suit and are absolutely fantastic.

They rise up the lottery-win-list every time I see one.

Want.



Fantuzzi

3,297 posts

146 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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Love it in grey black. Stunning machines, certainly would be on my Christmas list if I had that sort of cash to splash.

(Cant help feeling it would look even better in 16inch wheels rather than the 17s- suspect I am alone in that...)

Slippydiff

14,827 posts

223 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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Oz83 said:
woof said:
Oddly I think the Singer Porsche is a step too far away from the original for me.

I came across this chap yesterday. Magnus Walker. I love what he does. Not so refined but uber cool.
Warning... You'll lose 30mins of your day watching this video.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/19/watch-the-entir...
Magnus who?

Seriously though, I do like the 'lifestyle' approach that Magnus has, but some of his modifications are questionable (some of the modified tail lights for example), and adding faux patina - a bit try hard and 'fashion' minded for me. A singer is a re-engineered 911, improved by modern technology and production methods, with a fastidious attention to detail. I admire both builders for their unique approach but I think Singer are in a completely different league.
Strange isn't it ? The Magnus Walker "thing" seems to have gathered momentum over the past couple of years. Personally his creations do nothing for me at all. Most of them could be (and have been) done by individuals on various forums Rennlist, Early 911S register and RGruppe, the majority of them are more "trick" too. In short, MW's stuff doesn't seem that special, yet he seems to have a huge amount of followers/ supporters.

On the other hand, The Singer is just so beautifully engineered, and the attention to detail so perfect, it makes anything Walker produces look amateur (but maybe that's the attraction of Walkers creations ?)
I think a lot of people find the price of the Singer borderline offensive. And I have to say, when I see quotes of $30,000 for their electrical loom, I can see why. I've no doubt the same loom could be produced in the UK using equally good (if not better) quality components for a third of the price, and if not a third, then half.

But I won't hear anything bad said against the guys at Singer, what they've produced is the perfect foil to the cr*p Porsche are currently producing - Panamera, Cayenne and most iterations of the 991 (Turbo S and GT3 excepted)

The Singer is so cool (and I suspect inoffensive to the average man in the street) and yet manages to combine the classic 911 look of yesteryear with a host of up to the minute technology.



Oddball RS

1,757 posts

218 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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Superb!

Devil2575

13,400 posts

188 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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I want one!

jamespink

1,218 posts

204 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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Nothing comes close to these Singers IMHO. Have an idea (like lets make it lighter) and then carry it out to the nth degree (skin the entire car in bespoke carbon) Make the lights better (install Le Mans units at $600 a pop) Just superb!

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Wednesday 4th December 2013
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Slippydiff said:
Oz83 said:
woof said:
Oddly I think the Singer Porsche is a step too far away from the original for me.

I came across this chap yesterday. Magnus Walker. I love what he does. Not so refined but uber cool.
Warning... You'll lose 30mins of your day watching this video.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/19/watch-the-entir...
Magnus who?

Seriously though, I do like the 'lifestyle' approach that Magnus has, but some of his modifications are questionable (some of the modified tail lights for example), and adding faux patina - a bit try hard and 'fashion' minded for me. A singer is a re-engineered 911, improved by modern technology and production methods, with a fastidious attention to detail. I admire both builders for their unique approach but I think Singer are in a completely different league.
Strange isn't it ? The Magnus Walker "thing" seems to have gathered momentum over the past couple of years. Personally his creations do nothing for me at all. Most of them could be (and have been) done by individuals on various forums Rennlist, Early 911S register and RGruppe, the majority of them are more "trick" too. In short, MW's stuff doesn't seem that special, yet he seems to have a huge amount of followers/ supporters.

On the other hand, The Singer is just so beautifully engineered, and the attention to detail so perfect, it makes anything Walker produces look amateur (but maybe that's the attraction of Walkers creations ?)
I think a lot of people find the price of the Singer borderline offensive. And I have to say, when I see quotes of $30,000 for their electrical loom, I can see why. I've no doubt the same loom could be produced in the UK using equally good (if not better) quality components for a third of the price, and if not a third, then half.

But I won't hear anything bad said against the guys at Singer, what they've produced is the perfect foil to the cr*p Porsche are currently producing - Panamera, Cayenne and most iterations of the 991 (Turbo S and GT3 excepted)

The Singer is so cool (and I suspect inoffensive to the average man in the street) and yet manages to combine the classic 911 look of yesteryear with a host of up to the minute technology.


Pretty much agree with all of that, the whole MW stuff just reminds me too much of those superdry clothes, you know with all the torn edges & faded prints put in.

The singer stuff though, bloody hell it's just something else & if I had the means, it would be top of my list smile