Here's why some men hate women and the police
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I have a friend, who has a wife & two young daughters. He loves them all to bits. He's a lovely bloke and he wouldn't hurt a fly.
He went out with some mates from work on Friday night. They don't live locally to where they work so they were in the B&B at the local pub for the night.
Come the evening, the four of them had a few sherberts and a bit of a laugh. One of the guys got chatting up some young doris who was obviously lapping up the attention and they went back to her place to continue their amorous grappling. A second of the four also got enmeshed with a second young doris..
My friend and his mate were pretty bored by this but continued drinking and chatting on their own, eventually wandering back up to the B&B. Having both gone to bed in their seperate rooms, matey turns up with Doris the second for a bit of bouncy bouncy. The pair of them are rather the worse for wear by this stage. So the other guy who's sharing this twin room goes in and sits with my friend until the tumult is over.
Jiggling done with, Doris 2 appears in the room where my friend is, generally says hello, smokes a fag, utters the words, "I've just sorted your mate out" with a smirk, and then goes home in a mini-cab to her boyfriend's house.
Job done, good night.
Over the course of Saturday, all four guys (even the one who'd gone off with someone else earlier) were arrested under suspicion of committing rape the previous night. My friend was alone at home with his kids & had to call his wife to come home from work.
He was taken to a police station some way from home and their car was taken away on a low loader. This i the car which his wife goes to work in and ferries the kids around in and which she had posession of during the entire of Friday.
At the station, the police stripped him of his clothes and gave him overalls before interviewing him. After the interviews were done, he was shipped to a hospital, even further from home. They stripped him, shaved all his pubes off, scraped the end of his cock for skin tissue and took samples of everything.
At 3.30am, he was released. They said they knew fulwell what had happened and that these guys hadn't done anything, however they'd have to wait until mid-january for all the DNA/lab results to come back before they'd be cleared.
The police called his wife, 3.30am, told her that he was at police station X and asked that she come to collect him as they have no cop-cars available. Her car, of course, had been taken away by them earlier in the day.
Fortunately, her friend had come along to comfort her and generally help out with the kids - you can imagine what sort of state she was in. So I wouldn't blame her for the fact that she'd had a few drinks to calm her nerves.
So not having funds or access to taxis to take her this considerable distance to collect her husband, she had to drive someone elses car, half cut, uninsured, to collect her husband, because the police couldn't be fcuking arsed to drive a person who they by this time knew full well was innocent and had given a hellish 18 hours back to his wife and family.
The bitch who's responsible for this, quite obviously turned up at her boyfriends house a right mess and has come up with this humongous cock & bull story to divert attention from her own monumental stupidity. How can anyone be so fcuking disgustingly thoughtless and evil?
She'll be getting 'wasting police time', 'perverting the course of justice' and (with any luck) hit by a fcuking train.
My friend went to get his car back today only to be told they hadn't looked at it yet and he couldn't have it. They'll get back to him, they said. Since it was taken without him being present, his sunglasses and various nick-nacks have been stolen from the car whilst in the storage yard - so people have obviously been in the car and were there evidence, it'd be worthless anyway because of that.
Now, coppers on here: Don't take this personally, but in my friends position, I'd be onto the PCA tomorrow morning and I would not rest until every last copper involved had been suspended indefinitely, had his clothes taken, car confiscated, family traumatised, balls shaved and cock scraped, along with the obligatory 18 hour incarceration. I'd take the lot of you through every court in the land for every little human rights thing. Why? Because what he went through was inhumane and he was treated disgustingly. His wife and family were utterly mortified. They are 100% behind him of course and in this case I'd back litigiousness 100%. CarZee letters coming your way, coppers!
I mean, what the fcuking hell is wrong with this country? Have the feminists got the criminal justice system so fcuking twisted against men that they can violate your human rights and take tissue samples and compel you to undergo unpleasant, painful and degrading procedures, when the coppers know just by questioning all concerned that fcuk all has happened other than a stupid pissed bitch has cried rape so her boyfriend doesn't blame her for turning up at 4am with jism down her leg.
Fcuk that - go out for a quiet night with your mates, mind you own business and get totally shafted by the law that protects women.
Do you know how many men go through this, because women know full well that they only have to shout rape to ruin a mans life or even do it without realising what hell they're about to put their imaginary assailant through? I mean, don't get me wrong, rape is very bad and if you're guilty of that you deserve all you get, but falsly shouting rape is *just as bad* as raping.
And they're looking at making it more difficult to defend a rape allegation in court now: The Rape of Justice (Melanie Philips)
This country is poisoned and is rotting at the core.
>>> Edited by CarZee on Tuesday 5th November 21:18
He went out with some mates from work on Friday night. They don't live locally to where they work so they were in the B&B at the local pub for the night.
Come the evening, the four of them had a few sherberts and a bit of a laugh. One of the guys got chatting up some young doris who was obviously lapping up the attention and they went back to her place to continue their amorous grappling. A second of the four also got enmeshed with a second young doris..
My friend and his mate were pretty bored by this but continued drinking and chatting on their own, eventually wandering back up to the B&B. Having both gone to bed in their seperate rooms, matey turns up with Doris the second for a bit of bouncy bouncy. The pair of them are rather the worse for wear by this stage. So the other guy who's sharing this twin room goes in and sits with my friend until the tumult is over.
Jiggling done with, Doris 2 appears in the room where my friend is, generally says hello, smokes a fag, utters the words, "I've just sorted your mate out" with a smirk, and then goes home in a mini-cab to her boyfriend's house.
Job done, good night.
Over the course of Saturday, all four guys (even the one who'd gone off with someone else earlier) were arrested under suspicion of committing rape the previous night. My friend was alone at home with his kids & had to call his wife to come home from work.
He was taken to a police station some way from home and their car was taken away on a low loader. This i the car which his wife goes to work in and ferries the kids around in and which she had posession of during the entire of Friday.
At the station, the police stripped him of his clothes and gave him overalls before interviewing him. After the interviews were done, he was shipped to a hospital, even further from home. They stripped him, shaved all his pubes off, scraped the end of his cock for skin tissue and took samples of everything.
At 3.30am, he was released. They said they knew fulwell what had happened and that these guys hadn't done anything, however they'd have to wait until mid-january for all the DNA/lab results to come back before they'd be cleared.
The police called his wife, 3.30am, told her that he was at police station X and asked that she come to collect him as they have no cop-cars available. Her car, of course, had been taken away by them earlier in the day.
Fortunately, her friend had come along to comfort her and generally help out with the kids - you can imagine what sort of state she was in. So I wouldn't blame her for the fact that she'd had a few drinks to calm her nerves.
So not having funds or access to taxis to take her this considerable distance to collect her husband, she had to drive someone elses car, half cut, uninsured, to collect her husband, because the police couldn't be fcuking arsed to drive a person who they by this time knew full well was innocent and had given a hellish 18 hours back to his wife and family.
The bitch who's responsible for this, quite obviously turned up at her boyfriends house a right mess and has come up with this humongous cock & bull story to divert attention from her own monumental stupidity. How can anyone be so fcuking disgustingly thoughtless and evil?
She'll be getting 'wasting police time', 'perverting the course of justice' and (with any luck) hit by a fcuking train.
My friend went to get his car back today only to be told they hadn't looked at it yet and he couldn't have it. They'll get back to him, they said. Since it was taken without him being present, his sunglasses and various nick-nacks have been stolen from the car whilst in the storage yard - so people have obviously been in the car and were there evidence, it'd be worthless anyway because of that.
Now, coppers on here: Don't take this personally, but in my friends position, I'd be onto the PCA tomorrow morning and I would not rest until every last copper involved had been suspended indefinitely, had his clothes taken, car confiscated, family traumatised, balls shaved and cock scraped, along with the obligatory 18 hour incarceration. I'd take the lot of you through every court in the land for every little human rights thing. Why? Because what he went through was inhumane and he was treated disgustingly. His wife and family were utterly mortified. They are 100% behind him of course and in this case I'd back litigiousness 100%. CarZee letters coming your way, coppers!
I mean, what the fcuking hell is wrong with this country? Have the feminists got the criminal justice system so fcuking twisted against men that they can violate your human rights and take tissue samples and compel you to undergo unpleasant, painful and degrading procedures, when the coppers know just by questioning all concerned that fcuk all has happened other than a stupid pissed bitch has cried rape so her boyfriend doesn't blame her for turning up at 4am with jism down her leg.
Fcuk that - go out for a quiet night with your mates, mind you own business and get totally shafted by the law that protects women.
Do you know how many men go through this, because women know full well that they only have to shout rape to ruin a mans life or even do it without realising what hell they're about to put their imaginary assailant through? I mean, don't get me wrong, rape is very bad and if you're guilty of that you deserve all you get, but falsly shouting rape is *just as bad* as raping.
And they're looking at making it more difficult to defend a rape allegation in court now: The Rape of Justice (Melanie Philips)
This country is poisoned and is rotting at the core.
>>> Edited by CarZee on Tuesday 5th November 21:18
Bloody hell that's really, really very scary.
I assume that the coppers have to take every allogation seriously and do everything as if the alledged offense had happened.
Can you imagine the outcry if the response was "Well you're a silly drunk tart so we can't be bothered to investigate....."
It does seem you mate was treated rather poorly though, to say the very least.....
I assume that the coppers have to take every allogation seriously and do everything as if the alledged offense had happened.
Can you imagine the outcry if the response was "Well you're a silly drunk tart so we can't be bothered to investigate....."
It does seem you mate was treated rather poorly though, to say the very least.....
Makes the blood boil just to think of it , I like most on here understand that there is a task to be done when these allegations are made, however there are more civvilised ways to go about. On that alone dragging them through hoops and hurdles on the human rights issue are worth pursuing.
I have travelled the world and meet some very unpleasant regimes over the years but the police force that has shocked the most is the black shirted storm troopers they call policemen in America
. If our guys ever get that high handed, and it does seem to be going that way, then dear old blighty may become just another place in the history books. Time to move to NZ me thinks.
Harry
, I like most on here understand that there is a task to be done when these allegations are made, however there are more civvilised ways to go about. On that alone dragging them through hoops and hurdles on the human rights issue are worth pursuing. I have travelled the world and meet some very unpleasant regimes over the years but the police force that has shocked the most is the black shirted storm troopers they call policemen in America
. If our guys ever get that high handed, and it does seem to be going that way, then dear old blighty may become just another place in the history books. Time to move to NZ me thinks. Harry
That's disgusting CarZee.
Your mate wants to get a brief NOW and get down to the cop shop with digi camera to record evidence of damage and illegal entry to his car.
I would like to think he could go to the local press and tell them exactly what has happened - might work, might get him labelled as a 'rapist' straight away though.
He has to get a brief quick and listen to the advice.
The criminal justice system is shagged in this country. Those coppers in the Paul Burrell trial should be being prosecuted for falsifying evidence IMO and should be in the dock now.
Your mate wants to get a brief NOW and get down to the cop shop with digi camera to record evidence of damage and illegal entry to his car.
I would like to think he could go to the local press and tell them exactly what has happened - might work, might get him labelled as a 'rapist' straight away though.
He has to get a brief quick and listen to the advice.
The criminal justice system is shagged in this country. Those coppers in the Paul Burrell trial should be being prosecuted for falsifying evidence IMO and should be in the dock now.
here's another article I've found.. christ.. this is such a hornets nest
www.mens-network.org/rapereform.html
This article starts off talking about rape law.. the argument is fairly subtle. Then it moves on to the other ways 'family law' is being increasingly stacked against men.. Sorry it's a bit long..
www.mens-network.org/rapereform.html
This article starts off talking about rape law.. the argument is fairly subtle. Then it moves on to the other ways 'family law' is being increasingly stacked against men.. Sorry it's a bit long..
The government appears to be about to succumb to the same madness that has infected America, the country that gave us the doctrine that "all men are rapists". There, date rape would appear to have reached epidemic proportions. Men on university campuses, in particular, live under a permanent cloud of gender inquisition if they go out with a girl for a meal. In fact, American academics report pressure to inflate the figures by expanding the definition of rape to include, for example, "intercourse without mutual desire".
Instead of running screaming from this nonsense, the Home Office is thinking of "having another look at consent in rape cases". What this seems to mean is that an accused man would have to prove he thought the woman was consenting to sex. This would reverse the burden of proof and thus contravene the most fundamental tenet of criminal law: that a person is innocent until proved guilty.
That rule, it would appear, now applies to women but not to men. The review of rape law was announced at last week's launch of the Women's Unit initiative against domestic violence. A more startling example of a deliberate rigging of the facts on domestic violence would be hard to imagine. The basic premise was that men are the main perpetrators. This is simply not true. The unit trotted out once again the claim that one in four women becomes the victim of domestic violence. Yet this statistic derives from dubious research drawn from unrepresentative samples of women. There is overwhelming evidence that women initiate domestic violence at least as much as men. The Home Office itself has published research showing that 4.2% of men and 4.2% of women said they had been assaulted by their current or former spouse or lover. Shouldn't the government be launching a drive against all violence, committed against men as well as women?
Open season appears to have been declared now on men. It was surely no coincidence that the day after the government told us men were violent beasts, it announced ways of being even tougher against feckless ex-husbands through reform of the Child Support Act. Yet it failed to address the dreadful injustice of this legislation, which treats all absent fathers as feckless even though some may be the blameless victims of destructive behaviour by women.
Of course some men are irresponsible, and should be pursued; of course men should pay for their children's upkeep if they have broken up their families. Most divorces, however, are initiated by women. Many divorced fathers have their homes and children taken away from them and are all but de-stroyed. They are then clobbered by the Child Support Agency, which treats them as if they are the guilty party. In future they may even be sent to prison.
The assumptions behind many of the proposed changes to the act are hostile to men. They reduce fathers even more than before to walking wallets, and deepen the injustices against them. Even if a father shares childcare equally with his ex-wife, he will have to pay the mother for the child's upkeep. Moreover, the mother's income won't henceforth be taken into account. So even if she's gone off with a man earning £100,000 a year, scooping up the family home and the children en route, her ex-husband will have to pay her - thus supporting behaviour he may even believe is damaging his children.
At the same time, he may be deprived of all contact with his children by courts which stack the cards against him. The lord chancellor's advisory board on family law has said that if wives allege domestic violence against their former husbands, the courts should stop them seeing their children. It is not uncommon, though, for women to make entirely spurious charges of violence against their ex-husbands just to prevent them from having access to their children. Lawyers say the courts are overwhelmingly disposed to believe them, even when there isn't a shred of evidence.
The amount of violence in marriage is small (most violence takes place between cohabitants or lovers). When violence does occur it is balanced between the sexes, so the courts should act on the presumption that violence by a husband is unlikely and give him the benefit of the doubt. If family lawyers are so worried about children they might more usefully draw the attention of courts to the fact that most physical abuse of children is perpetrated by women.
Fat chance. We all know, do we not, that men are basically rapists and wife batterers and faithless creeps, while women can do no wrong. The government and legal establishment are telling us so. A whole women's unit has been set up to prove it. Lots of women's organisations are busy collecting government money to provide the unit with bent "facts".
Interestingly, whilst MadCop could be quite annoyed by my outburst above, this article is probably telling us what he knows all too well and is indeed a victim of himself..
Also, drawing the threads together, it wouldn't take an enormous leap of faith to link feminism to our Road Safety 'strategies' - I wonder what the gender split is on the objection to speed cameras.. opressing the supposedly masculine desire to enjoy driving with spirit.. forcing us off the roads (manner of transport most in keeping with the supposed male anthropological destiny, indicated by competitive and agressive behaviour) and on to public transport (protecting Mother earth.. and a social form of transport in keeping with supposed female socio-psychological preference)
Across the board, the supposed 'protection of children' is actually about facilitation of women's preferences as the presumed most important carer.
All purely speculation and musings of course, but potentially valid nonetheless.
Also, drawing the threads together, it wouldn't take an enormous leap of faith to link feminism to our Road Safety 'strategies' - I wonder what the gender split is on the objection to speed cameras.. opressing the supposedly masculine desire to enjoy driving with spirit.. forcing us off the roads (manner of transport most in keeping with the supposed male anthropological destiny, indicated by competitive and agressive behaviour) and on to public transport (protecting Mother earth.. and a social form of transport in keeping with supposed female socio-psychological preference)
Across the board, the supposed 'protection of children' is actually about facilitation of women's preferences as the presumed most important carer.
All purely speculation and musings of course, but potentially valid nonetheless.
that actively discriminate against men, particularly white native men. It's sickening. I don't want to leave this country, I want a whole new planet, away from these nutters!!! 
Apart from the police behaviour, the reason for that misery can also be found in a person, that hasn't got the balls to take responsability for itself, and can't face what she's done.
The problem is, our whole society is full of moronic numpties, who cannot take the minimum on responsability!
That f
g scares me!
In my legal conception, Doris 2 should avouch for every damage she mischiefed, because she did it deliberately: the police service itself and any inconvenience caused by it.
Of course, the police must evidence that there was need to behave like they did.
The problem is, our whole society is full of moronic numpties, who cannot take the minimum on responsability!
That f
g scares me! In my legal conception, Doris 2 should avouch for every damage she mischiefed, because she did it deliberately: the police service itself and any inconvenience caused by it.
Of course, the police must evidence that there was need to behave like they did.
Here's an idea.
Print this thread.
Take a copy to the landlord of all the pubs/places he visited that night and ask if they'd be so kind as to post it as a warning to customers.
Edit the thread to include
Doris 2's 
1st name.
If she frequents any of them she'll undoubtedly read it, maybe her boyfriend will to. They'll know exactly what it means. We all know how paranoid and irrational women can get when confronted.
Nice to think that in some (small) way your mate may be able get back at her.
(It'll never work I know, but I hate to think there's nothing anyone can do!!!)
>> Edited by DancingMoose on Wednesday 6th November 00:08
Print this thread.
Take a copy to the landlord of all the pubs/places he visited that night and ask if they'd be so kind as to post it as a warning to customers.
Edit the thread to include
Doris 2's 1st name. If she frequents any of them she'll undoubtedly read it, maybe her boyfriend will to. They'll know exactly what it means. We all know how paranoid and irrational women can get when confronted.
Nice to think that in some (small) way your mate may be able get back at her.
(It'll never work I know, but I hate to think there's nothing anyone can do!!!)
>> Edited by DancingMoose on Wednesday 6th November 00:08
HarryW said: Makes the blood boil just to think of it
I have travelled the world and meet some very unpleasant regimes over the years but the police force that has shocked the most is the black shirted storm troopers they call policemen in America
Harry
Soooo true,and what a dam horrible place the uk has become.I could write a hundred reasons why!I'm sure many people(ex pats) on this forum in NZ will not agree but i sit here in South Island New Zealand thinking how lucky i am to have moved here last year.There is no happy meduim in the uk anymore.Theres really decent people who get shit on and then theres everyone else who'll crook you,rob you and generally do what ever they can to upset you,normally out of spite and jealously.If your a decent person i'd recommend NZ anyday.
HarryW said ... but the police force that has shocked the most is the black shirted storm troopers they call policemen in America
Harry
Harry, I agree that some american police officers may be high handed. But in a case like CarZee stated up top, all they have to do is (1)request an attorney and (2)stay quiet until an attorney arrives. Also, since "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" is required before an arrest warrant is issued in cases like this in the US, it would be the "Doris" that would be subject to the poking and prodding (looking for the customary bruises, etc) and there would be an interview of any and all witnesses at the establishment. "So, SHE was all over HIM. Thank you very much Mr. Bartender."
I agree that rape is a crime beyond the pale. However, for once, the US has already gone through a period of "cry rape" and the system has actually built in some safeguards.
(Now if we can just keep LAPD from bashing people in public we will be fine!)
ErnestM
This isn't the only instance of this I've heard of. In fact...a similar incident whilst I was s student made me become a "hominist" - which is very different to a chauvinist.
Rape is an unbelievably horrible, vile crime. For this reason the cops have to take an allegation of it very, very seriously. An also for this reason accusing someone of this crime is equally serious.
The "Doris" who was willing to falsely accuse a man of such a vile, unspeakable act is as foul as a rapist herself and should recieve the same punishment...and worse in my view.
Again - for the same reasons our forces of law and order must be very, very sure to consider bringing about charges.
And yes. It is better to stay home with a six pack...
and preferably a good woman. Thankfully..there are some.
Rape is an unbelievably horrible, vile crime. For this reason the cops have to take an allegation of it very, very seriously. An also for this reason accusing someone of this crime is equally serious.
The "Doris" who was willing to falsely accuse a man of such a vile, unspeakable act is as foul as a rapist herself and should recieve the same punishment...and worse in my view.
Again - for the same reasons our forces of law and order must be very, very sure to consider bringing about charges.
And yes. It is better to stay home with a six pack...
and preferably a good woman. Thankfully..there are some.
And yes. It is better to stay home with a six pack... and preferably a good woman. Thankfully..there are some.
Thank god for that. CarZee's story is horrific. Imagine what it does to your job prospects to be wrongly accused? Or your family life. Eeeek. Think a lot of blokes will have a quiet night in with some beers & the internet!
What an absolutely terrible ordeal for the poor chap(s) to be going through. One can understand the police taking the allegation seriously and wanting to collect any and all evidence before it disappears, but what a pity it would all be worthless even if there was a case to answer... Surely a good solicitor would be able to show that their carelessness in handling the car would shed doubt on the validity of any other evidence they're looking after?
Perhaps some of the serving BiB on the board could explain what the policy is on returning you home once they've picked you up & then let you go?
Its been said before, but: country, hell, handbasket.
It's women like this that give the rest of us a bad name. Undoubtedly she's not the only one who'd cry rape rather than admit she's been indiscreet. But please don't tar us all with the same brush! Certainly if I or any of the women I know had been caught in flagrante delicto, we'd admit to it and accept the consequences. There are a handful of these "cry rape" cases each year - and thousands of genuine rapes.
I don't for one second condone how the police behaved in this case, CarZee - this "guilty until proven innocent" mindset seems to be taking over in this country and there really is no excuse for the way they treated him. But at the same time, measures are in the pipeline (if they haven't been brought in already) to maintain the anonymity (for example) of any man accused of rape and to treat him with humanity until there are reasonable grounds to assume he's guilty. Compare this with just a few years ago, when the papers would name anyone accused and hang the consequences.
I know of one bloke whose career and family were blown apart by exactly this kind of case (except he - in his 40s - was accused of rape by a 14-year-old girl) because he was named in the papers the day after his arrest. He was proven innocent later, but by then it was all too late.
Yes - potentially. But really, can you generalise to that extent? As has been noted elsewhere, it certainly doesn't seem to be your gender that determines how "pro" the speed cameras, anti-speeding measures you are, but how well educated you are. No? Sure, your average working-class male will be into Max Power and bolt-on bits, while your average working-class female will drive a Fiesta and be less interested in fast cars, but to an extent this is simply because she hasn't a hope in hell of joining in with "the lads". "The woman's place is in the home" is alive and well and living in the inner cities.
Further up the scale, though, I'm not sure your argument holds water. What about those of us with a modicum of intelligence to look at the facts - as men do! - and decide for ourselves the pros and cons of fast cars and speeding? You don't find the more educated females breeding from the age of 14 as if their lives depended on it, demanding a 5 mph speed limit outside schools and playgrounds or voting for Lady Di in polls.
So an interesting argument, CarZee, but applicable only to one sub-section of the population...
>> Edited by SGirl on Wednesday 6th November 09:15
I don't for one second condone how the police behaved in this case, CarZee - this "guilty until proven innocent" mindset seems to be taking over in this country and there really is no excuse for the way they treated him. But at the same time, measures are in the pipeline (if they haven't been brought in already) to maintain the anonymity (for example) of any man accused of rape and to treat him with humanity until there are reasonable grounds to assume he's guilty. Compare this with just a few years ago, when the papers would name anyone accused and hang the consequences.
I know of one bloke whose career and family were blown apart by exactly this kind of case (except he - in his 40s - was accused of rape by a 14-year-old girl) because he was named in the papers the day after his arrest. He was proven innocent later, but by then it was all too late.
CarZee said: I wonder what the gender split is on the objection to speed cameras.. opressing the supposedly masculine desire to enjoy driving with spirit.. forcing us off the roads (manner of transport most in keeping with the supposed male anthropological destiny, indicated by competitive and agressive behaviour) and on to public transport (protecting Mother earth.. and a social form of transport in keeping with supposed female socio-psychological preference)
Across the board, the supposed 'protection of children' is actually about facilitation of women's preferences as the presumed most important carer.
All purely speculation and musings of course, but potentially valid nonetheless.
Yes - potentially. But really, can you generalise to that extent? As has been noted elsewhere, it certainly doesn't seem to be your gender that determines how "pro" the speed cameras, anti-speeding measures you are, but how well educated you are. No? Sure, your average working-class male will be into Max Power and bolt-on bits, while your average working-class female will drive a Fiesta and be less interested in fast cars, but to an extent this is simply because she hasn't a hope in hell of joining in with "the lads". "The woman's place is in the home" is alive and well and living in the inner cities.
Further up the scale, though, I'm not sure your argument holds water. What about those of us with a modicum of intelligence to look at the facts - as men do! - and decide for ourselves the pros and cons of fast cars and speeding? You don't find the more educated females breeding from the age of 14 as if their lives depended on it, demanding a 5 mph speed limit outside schools and playgrounds or voting for Lady Di in polls.
So an interesting argument, CarZee, but applicable only to one sub-section of the population...
>> Edited by SGirl on Wednesday 6th November 09:15
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