RE: Porsche 911 GT2

Friday 9th May 2008

Porsche 911 GT2

GT2s have always been insanely fast. But could the latest incarnation keep up with a McLaren F1, asks Steve Sutcliffe...



OK I’ll come straight out with it. I’m not certain that the GT2 which Porsche GB has been lending out to the press – and therefore to us awfully nice people at PH –  does exactly what it says on the tin. I think it does rather more. Which is nice.


All you need to do is put your foot down just once in second gear and to then hold it there until the limiter says hello at 7200rpm. Then you’ll understand where I’m coming from. This car, or at least the one I drove, is so flaming rapid it feels – from memory – as if it would give little away to a McLaren F1. Not until after you were well into three figures at any rate.

Bearing in mind that it costs ‘only’ £131,070 whereas a McLaren costs rather more than three times as much, this has to make the GT2 some kind of bargain – so long as yours is as quick as Porsche GB’s version…

For the record Porsche claims the GT2 will do 0-160kph (ie 0-99.4mph) in 7.4sec. When Autocar magazine road tested the McLaren back in 1994 it recorded a 0-100mph time of 6.3sec, but I’ll let you into a secret about what happened on that particular day and, more specifically, about that particular McLaren – and its driver – because I was there.


The driver was none other than Jonathan Palmer because that was part of the deal. The magazine was allowed to record a full set of figures on the car but only if Palmer could do the acceleration runs. Secondly, it was almost dusk in early May (two days after Ayrton Senna had been killed to be precise) so the ambient conditions were just about perfect to allow the F1’s BMW V12 to deliver the whole salad. Finally and most controversially, McLaren had removed the cats from the car, thus enabling its V12 to deliver each and every one of the claimed 631bhp, and then some.

What I’m saying is this: in normal circumstances with a regular test driver at the wheel you might just get a McLaren F1 to dip into the high sixes from zero to 100mph. Maybe. Whereas a GT2 will hammer out 0-100mph times in the mid-sevens all day long, with almost anyone who can drive half properly behind the wheel.


So the difference between the legendary F1 and the latest, fastest production series Porsche 911 can nowadays be measured in tenths, not seconds. I don’t know about you but I find that absolutely astonishing – as good an indication as you’ll get as to how far things have come since the Mighty Mac was deemed to be the fastest car the world will ever see, back in the summer of 1994.

Then again, Porsche has indeed come an awful long way since the time when the 968 was around, even if the two previous GT2s have failed pretty comprehensively to aid the company’s development. The first model of 1995 can be excused its wayward road manners because, in reality, it was little more than a homologation car for GT racing. We all know about the 'Widowmaker' nickname which was used, apparently, by Porsche’s own engineers to describe the beast they’d created. Even today the 993 GT2 seems mind-alteringly ridiculous with a 0-100mph time somewhere in the late eights.


It was the version that followed that truly disappointed, though, mainly because it was based on one of Porsche’s very best cars of recent times, the 996 Turbo. In theory the GT2 996 should have been fantastic. In reality it was an understeering, over-powered, under-achieving misfit, and the only way you could get it to behave properly was to tinker endlessly with the suspension to dial out the understeer. Which may well have been oddly satisfying to those who tried and hit the sweet spot, but at the time that was hardly the point.

For this latest version, it’s hardly surprising that Porsche has thrown so much time, effort and engineering impetus into getting the GT2 mixture right. The engine is pretty much the same as the Turbo’s internally but with two new turbo’s, a different exhaust, better breathing apparatus and 1.4 bar boost as opposed to 1.0 - it delivers 523bhp versus 450bhp for the normal 911 Turbo. The torque peak is the same as that of the normal Turbo with the Sport Chrono pack fitted – 502lb ft – but rather than a short burst at this level the GT2 has that figure available all the time between 2200-4500rpm.


Being rear and not four wheel drive it’s also 100kg lighter (down to a reasonably lithe 1440kg)and the six-speed manual gearbox has slightly longer ratios, the quoted top speed rising from 196mph to 204mph.

You expect a car with 363bhp per tonne and 349lb ft per tonne to feel a bit tidy when you put your foot down, but the way the GT2 fires itself at the horizon at the merest whiff of throttle is deeply and deliciously impressive. It’s hilarious, in fact. There is almost no lag whatsoever, and although the compression ratio isn’t higher than in the normal Turbo it feels much more responsive off boost, presumably because of what they’ve done to the exhaust. It’s so crisp you can now blip the thottle wap-wap on downshifts and the crank just spins up instantly – whereas in the regular Turbo it’s a case of blip pedal, wait a moment, shift.


But the real news is what happens when you aim the new GT2 at a few corners. In a nutshell they have sorted it, and I really do mean sorted it. OK there’s still a touch of understeer if you really lean on it through a long bend but, by and large, it goes precisely where you want it to. No understeer, no oversteer (unless you turn the TC off, in which case you’re welcome to the accident you will have), no contest compared with anything at the same money. Aston DBS? It wouldn’t see which way the GT2 had gone, and the same goes for a regular Ferrari F430 (ie a non Scud version).

It steers beautifully, too, with a decent amount of traditional 911-style feedback via the rim but with none of the crunching kickback of old. As for the stopping department it’s hard to think of any other car with number plates that brakes as well, or as consistently from big or small speeds, as the latest GT2.

Faults? The tyre roar from the enormous 325/30 19in rear Michelin Pilot Sport Cups is borderline ludicrous, even on smooth surfaces. On the concrete sections of the M25 I drove it on I couldn’t even hear myself whimper. And although it makes a so-so kind of noise it’s hardly in the same league as the Italians, which is a pity.


Overall the GT2 may not be everyone’s cup of tea, but to those who like Porsches it’s the version we’ve all been waiting for. It sits at the top of the model range now in terms of both price and prestige, and it deserves that place, finally. Maybe it does do what it says on the tin. And if you do happen to own a McLaren F1, don’t say you haven’t been warned.

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Discussion

krallicious

Original Poster:

4,312 posts

205 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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I want one now. Shame I'll have to wait for at least 10 years to be able to afford it frown

kingb

1,151 posts

226 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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its still just a 911

so for some it will the best thing ever

but for others (me) i just dont care because i wouldnt want one

The Dirty Bubble

747 posts

204 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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Flemke, can PH borrow your Mclaren?

DucatiGary

7,765 posts

225 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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kingb said:
I dont like fast cars
fair enough, do you also eat musli grain bars and have vegan tendancies ?

BlueEyedBoy

1,918 posts

196 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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kingb said:
its still just a 911

so for some it will the best thing ever

but for others (me) i just dont care because i wouldnt want one
Surely this is a joke, yes it resembles a 911, the latest model, a very nice looking 911, but the main thing is, its one of the fastest cars in the world. It is also has shed loads of power, and will be a handful and massive fun. I can understand people maybe saying they don't want a Carrera (although even those are now good) but not a GT2.

Its also very good value for money, if you look at the price the 993gt2 was (more expensive) and that was about 20 years ago!

Gizmo!

18,150 posts

209 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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So let me get this right.

The 911 is a 911.
There's a Carrera 4 which is 4wd.
The Turbo's a turbo and 4wd.
The GT3 is not a turbo and is 2wd.
The GT3 RS is not a turbo and is 2wd.
The GT2 is a turbo and is 2wd?

Sod it. Want. smile

Kieran XJR

5,983 posts

213 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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lick

MrKipling43

5,788 posts

216 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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Oh. My. God.

A proper car review... that tells you what the car's like and everything. I'm amazed.

dr matt uk

17,696 posts

200 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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A red 08 plate GT2 pulled out for a full bore 2nd overtake on me the other day as soon as we hit an empty dual carriageway section. What a sight! He gave it the full beans and by the sounds of it was still pulling hard well into 4th gear before easing back. Don't think I've ever seen a road car accelerate like that before. Awesome car.

singlecoil

33,577 posts

246 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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It seemed that the reviewer's point is that is almost as fast as a McLaren F1. Thing is, though, at this level, the difference between almost and actual is quite difficult to achieve.

jacobyte

4,723 posts

242 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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I'm surprised at the derogatory 996 GT2 comments - either he wasn't driving it hard enough, or he's nit picking in an attempt to try to make the 997 sound even better than it is.

Either way, it's still no F1.

ross_stig

35,068 posts

212 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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as nice as the new gt2 is, id still take the macca f1 simply because of how iconic it is. it's 14 years old now.... and yet super cars today are still being compared to it!

ITB

5,620 posts

215 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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It seems weird to compare it to a car that's more than 10 years old, not putting down the F1 at all, but why not compare it to a modern equivalent?

HAB

3,632 posts

227 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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jacobyte said:
I'm surprised at the derogatory 996 GT2 comments - either he wasn't driving it hard enough, or he's nit picking in an attempt to try to make the 997 sound even better than it is.
Not really,it's well known the 996 GT2 was set up to understeer strongly with the factory set up. Probably something to do with circa 500 bhp and no TC.
It's fairly simple to dial out with the fully adjustable suspension, a lot of owners have done this.



Davey S2

13,092 posts

254 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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I wouldnt give too much weight to the F1 reference. They always do this when a latest and greatest supercar comes out.

They compared the F430 with the F40 because they have similar power outputs but the reality was that in a straight line the F40 would still murder the 430 (as was proved in several head to head runs at Bruntingthorpe)

GT2 does look amazing but I would still rather a Viper Green GT3RS

MogulBoy

2,932 posts

223 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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Best GT2 review I've read so far. Quality!

As for the car..



Shropshiremike

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203 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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I'd love one smile

toohuge

3,434 posts

216 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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Brilliant review on the car. It is interesting to see how far cars have come since the iconic Mclaren F1. I cannot wait until people post videos on youtube with actual images of GT2's accelerating up to 180 mph (300kmh) and see some idiot post a comment like 'My civic would have that'.

Brilliant car, fantastic value for money and eye wateringly quick.

Crimp a Length!

5,697 posts

223 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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ITB said:
It seems weird to compare it to a car that's more than 10 years old, not putting down the F1 at all, but why not compare it to a modern equivalent?
There isn't anything in the price range.
The GT2 is and always has been the ultimate, lets face it in terms of point to point missile the 997 Turbo is the daddy so a GT2 is..............cool
Given the remarks about the non standard FI "on the day" i reckon the GT2 would be more than enough.

mikechandler

1,998 posts

202 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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Porsche brought one of these along to Donnington on Sunday and I have to say it looks amazing. Shame they didn't let it out on track!