RE: Mazda MX-5

Friday 26th September 2008

Mazda MX-5

The Mazda MX-5 is a legend - but does the latest version still deserve the badge? The PH team decided to investigate...



The Mazda MX-5 is the best selling sports car of all time, and for good reason. The roadster has long been admired for its blend of near-perfect rear-drive handling, bargain price, and simple design and is now in its third incarnation. But with time the car has become heavier and more sophisticated - so does it still offer cheap thrills and razor-sharp roadholding? The PH team got one in for a week to find out - and this is what we thought...

Garlick says:

'My first taste of the Mazda MX-5 was a 1990 G registered version finished in bright red. It was as basic as they came, with the pop-up lights, small chrome door handles and a numberplate stuck to the bonnet. It felt so light and I loved the simplicity of the roof, the thin-rimmed steering wheel, the handling, the rasp from the exhaust and the fantastic gearbox. I only had it for a weekend, but from that day on I always looked at the original MX-5 with fondness.  

'A few years later and my then company car was off the road for some repairs. My employer booked me a hire car and when it arrived at the office it was a steel-wheeled Mk2 1.8 MX-5. I spent another weekend hooning about the place remembering just how good these cars were. But the Mk2 had more creature comforts and felt a little bit more civilised than the Mk1. Still great fun though.

'I had to wait until 2006 for my next MX-5 drive, and at the time I was working for Autocar and borrowed their blue long term 2.0 for a trackday. It still handled well, but felt solid and heavy. The steering was still precise but now the wheel was adorned with controls for the stereo and my rear window was heated and made of glass. It had grown up and I wasn’t sure that was a good thing.

'When the latest version rolled into the PH car park I was the first one to take the car home. That night I lowered the metal roof (electronically), adjusted my leather (heated) seat, set the climate control and turned on the Bose stereo. The steering felt a little over assisted, but that aside the gearbox was nice and tight, the chassis provided impressive handling and I remember thinking that this car is still the best handling car I have driven straight out of the box - but I don’t love it anymore.

'It is a comfortable car, with airbags, electric everything. As the car has evolved it has lost the very essence of what made it so special in the first place, that being a lightweight, no-frills sportscar, and that is a great shame.'


RacingPete says:

'I have decided to start a new organisation called the Convertible Police. They are in charge of making sure anyone who owns a fold down roof has it down unless it is torrential rain. What’s the point of buying the experience of hair fashioned by the wind if you aren’t going to lower your top?

'This new Mazda MX-5, as well as the latest convertibles, poses my newly founded organisation a problem – foldable hard tops. They are harder to notice and to issue the on the spot fine of a scowl or other gestures. So stepping into the little Mazda meant, despite the slow English drizzle, the roof was electronically removed for a blast across East Sussex B-roads. The whole hard top neatly folded into the rear with complete ease and effortlessness. This causes me another problem.

'The appeal of this roof-down motoring is getting stuck in a rain shower struggling to put up the roof manually. With the earlier revisions it meant that you sometimes forgot you had flimsy fabric in the boot to protect your head – because rain and rear-wheel drive tail action was much more fun than staying dry – and also you were already sitting down so getting up to sort out that rain protector was just too much hassle.

'Don’t get me wrong, the car is still a lot of fun to drive. As rain pelts my forehead the mouth it shares with my face certainly has a smile on it. Roof down and rear drive is still a magical formula and with traction control turned off – a must do action in this car - the rear slips controllably through winding bends.

'It is pleasing to know the new MX-5 hasn’t lost any of the handling characteristics that earn it top spot in many people’s cheap two-seater list. The engine is also nippy and the height low enough to make sure even at 50mph you feel you are driving much faster - the ultimate appeal of this little car. Unfortunately the electronic roof has made things a bit too convenient and it will probably be seen on top of the car more – which will make my new police force certainly busier.'


Mr Will says:

'I’ve always been a fan of little convertibles, so I was chuffed when I was told I could take the MX-5 home overnight. All the evening’s plans went straight out the window and instead I surprised my girlfriend by picking her up from the station and taking her to the seaside for fish and chips.

Even though we took the back roads to Brighton there was quite a bit of traffic about, but it really didn’t matter – the sun was shining, the roof was down, the stereo was up and we were having a ball just cruising along. Even when the speed eventually picked up, it was calm enough in the cabin that my girlfriend wasn’t asking me to put the roof up to save her hair and the stereo went loud enough to be heard over the wind noise.

'Dinner and a stroll along the seafront later and it was time to come back. On the motorway with the roof up, the MX5 was quiet and comfortable and the journey seemed to be over in a flash. I found myself pulling up at home wishing the drive wasn’t over and when I noticed I hadn’t used half the fuel I’d put in, there was nothing for it, I just had to take it out for a midnight hoon.

'Now just me in the car and on empty country roads, I could at last find out what the MX-5 could really do. The engine, although not massively powerful, was revvy and fun to keep on the boil and the car turned in to corners willingly. The traction control was keen to spoil the fun though, cutting the power early when cornering even moderately quickly.

'A wide roundabout and a quick press of the traction control button later and I was surprised to find the back end remaining firmly pinned in place at speeds far above those that were triggering the traction control before. It stayed firmly off for the rest of the night until I finally pulled up at home at nearly 2am, tired but with a big grin on my face and lot of respect for this little car’.


Oli S says:

'What’s the best way to put this? The Mazda MX-5 is a pretty car that is dismissed as a choice for people who like clipping hair not apexes. Of course, this is a sweeping generalisation and not at all fair, but it means that this little roadster took me even more by surprise. Initially the MX-5 seemed painfully slow and more suited for nipping around town and sunning yourself than for anything remotely sporty.

'But hold down the traction control button and it turns into total hooligan. Stabbing the throttle going into the first decent bend I came to resulted in oversteer of epic proportions. But the beauty of this Mazda roadster is the way it reacts when the back is trying to overtake the front – catching a slide is easy, pampering you into thinking you are a far better driver than you actually are.

'Flick the wheel and the MX-5 can be caught easily, and with crisp steering feel you never feel out of control. The 1.8-litre unit may not be that powerful but it is responsive and revs eagerly. The MX-5 has certainly piled on a few pounds over the years but it is still a focused, fun roadster that is well bolted together and good value.

'OK, so it’s not that macho to look at but if you can live with that you’ll have a car that can be used everyday (thanks in part to the clever roof) and can be let off the leash whenever you feel the need.'


Author
Discussion

FestivAli

Original Poster:

1,088 posts

238 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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My dad is test driving one on the weekend. I'll get to use it instead of my 850 when he's not around. I'm cool with that...

OllieBirmingham

5,655 posts

192 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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I love my Mk1 cloud9

MonkeyNews

131 posts

188 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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convertible police smile

New Scot

208 posts

231 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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Surely the average speed cameras are connected to the police database for instant folding-roof validation, so could issue the tickets?

I drove my Cooper S conv. to London top down twice (from Ayrshire, 450 miles) - great experience! Each time the return journey was so wet I only managed a hundred or so topless miles.


Beefmeister

16,482 posts

230 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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Nice idea, getting different viewpoints to the car - i like it!

Wigeon Incognito

3,271 posts

218 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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MonkeyNews said:
convertible police smile
I made it all the way from Blackpool to Munich with the top down on my MX-5, including an unplanned nap in a Belgian service station car park at about 5am.

I must say though, I don't like putting the top down when my car is dirty - it's embarrassing.

OllieBirmingham

5,655 posts

192 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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I bought mine in the depths of december last year, so lots of midnight hoons with a wooly hat on!

Saied

1,575 posts

219 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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The latest MX5 looks like its on stilts IMO.

darth_pies

697 posts

217 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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Saied said:
The latest MX5 looks like its on stilts IMO.
Isn't there some pedestrian regulations issue where Mazda UK increased the ride height of UK cars and knackered the handling....hence why press reviews of the latest model were quite poor? Or did i imagine that?confused


Also, given that the 2.0 litre engine in there is basically the same unit as the 261bhp Ford/Mazda 2.0 Duratec fitted to the Caterham R500, isn't it time someone produced a 'hot' MX5?biggrin

hcanning

4,952 posts

202 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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OllieBirmingham said:
I love my Mk1 cloud9
Me too cloud9

satchbot

1,916 posts

196 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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I'd have one biggrin

And where can I sign up as convertible police?

Merefield

86 posts

226 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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darth_pies said:
Saied said:
The latest MX5 looks like its on stilts IMO.
Isn't there some pedestrian regulations issue where Mazda UK increased the ride height of UK cars and knackered the handling....hence why press reviews of the latest model were quite poor? Or did i imagine that?confused


Also, given that the 2.0 litre engine in there is basically the same unit as the 261bhp Ford/Mazda 2.0 Duratec fitted to the Caterham R500, isn't it time someone produced a 'hot' MX5?biggrin
There is a simple official dealer-fit suspension modification that significantly lowers the ride height and makes the car look loads better.

I'd consider one of these instead of my Z4 if only they'd produce one with a decent amount of power.

imho, the MX-5 range is crying out for a GTi/R Type/RS/etc. version.

Otherwise fantastic car!


Edited by Merefield on Friday 26th September 16:32

Shaw Tarse

31,543 posts

203 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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darth_pies said:
Saied said:
The latest MX5 looks like its on stilts IMO.
Isn't there some pedestrian regulations issue where Mazda UK increased the ride height of UK cars and knackered the handling....hence why press reviews of the latest model were quite poor? Or did i imagine that?confused


Also, given that the 2.0 litre engine in there is basically the same unit as the 261bhp Ford/Mazda 2.0 Duratec fitted to the Caterham R500, isn't it time someone produced a 'hot' MX5?biggrin
A lot of Nc owners have them lowered.
Would be nice to see the engine from the Mazda 3 MPS fitted.
Or the 2.5 from the Focus ST

tvrolet

4,274 posts

282 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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tvrolet says:

I bought one for my wife as a surprise birthday present, and I could only find the spec I was looking for some 400 miles away so I drove it home. Luckily mostly under the cover of darkness in case anyone spotted there really was a bloke at the wheel of an MX5. On the plus side it was fairly comfortable. And the missus loves it smile Which really is the nail in it's coffin since she wouldn't even sit in the driver's seat of the Cerb, or the 911, or even my pick-up...but the MX5 is pretty harmless.

From my point of view I accept it looks nice in a feminine sort of way....but totally gutless, uninspiring [nasty] engine/exhaust and grip that's no more than adequate. It'll never again clip an apex in it's life (unless you count the kerbs in Tesco's car park), or drift unless aided by spilled diesel. And I wouldn't be seen dead driving it.

I just can't see past the girly image. Sorry. Maybe the Mk1s had a chest hair or two, I've no idea, but the first thing most of my wife's friends do when the kids get old enough to get their own car is to get rid of the shopping trolley/family taxi and get an MX5 (or a Mini convertable).

muckyman

300 posts

191 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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you want power to go with the MX5?
Do what I did. Buy a cheap Mk1 1.6 then spend a LARGE sum of money on turbo, ecu, clutch, exhaust, brakes etc etc and end up with a 250bhp, Boxster beating, tarmac shredder (with no TC or ABS)
Now THAT was a fun car. Pure stealth.
I miss it.

otolith

56,135 posts

204 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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We also had a Civic Type-R when we bought the MX-5. The Civic had bags more grip, was much, much quicker and had a far superior engine and gearbox. And I found that the MX-5 was more fun to drive. To condemn it for a lack of grip or power is to really miss the point, IMO.

missing the VR6

2,323 posts

189 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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I've had the pleasure of 3 Mk3 MX-5s as company cars and done around 7-8000 miles of mixed driving and as my 1st proper intro to RWD I think they're brilliant. As someone already said if you're worried about the power then you're missing the point. It's just a bit of economical fun thats as happy doing the shopping as hooning down your favorite road.
Definately needs the Eibach lowering kit, purely for the looks.

jez-m

135 posts

225 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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I've just done 2600 miles round Europe in my mk3 mx5 and the trip only made me appreciate the car even more. No, it's not massively powerful, but to compare it with a tvr or a boxster is not exactly fair. It's hardly slow though, and is a blast to thread down decent roads. Plus it's utterly reliable, relatively economical and we had no problem packing enough luggage for two weeks into the boot. I really do think people need to get over their misguided preconceptions.

It really does need the Eibach lowering kit though - really should be standard.

Oh, and the roof was down the whole way too.

Miguel

1,030 posts

265 months

Saturday 27th September 2008
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jez-m said:
I've just done 2600 miles round Europe in my mk3 mx5 and the trip only made me appreciate the car even more. No, it's not massively powerful, but to compare it with a tvr or a boxster is not exactly fair. It's hardly slow though, and is a blast to thread down decent roads. Plus it's utterly reliable, relatively economical and we had no problem packing enough luggage for two weeks into the boot. I really do think people need to get over their misguided preconceptions.

It really does need the Eibach lowering kit though - really should be standard.

Oh, and the roof was down the whole way too.
Unfortunately, here in the US there aren't any late-model TVR's, so I've never driven one. As to the Boxster, I agree that it's an unfair comparison. The MX5 could never be anywhere near as boring to drive as a Boxster. I drove a Boxster once. It may be very competent around a track, but it bored me to tears when I drove it on the road. It was a very bland driving experience, something I would never say about the 944 I used to drive.

Miguel

Miguel

1,030 posts

265 months

Saturday 27th September 2008
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RacingPete said:
It is pleasing to know the new MX-5 hasn’t lost any of the handling characteristics that earn it top spot in many people’s cheap two-seater list. The engine is also nippy and the height low enough to make sure even at 50mph you feel you are driving much faster - the ultimate appeal of this little car. Unfortunately the electronic roof has made things a bit too convenient and it will probably be seen on top of the car more – which will make my new police force certainly busier.
I test drove the new MX5 when it first came out and liked it. I believe that it drives and handles as well as my 2001 but has more interior room and power. The 2 liter engine is quite good and peppy.

Later, I also got to drive a neighbor's MX5 with the power hardtop. When this version first came out, I was impressed that it gained minimal weight, and that Mazda really did a good job engineering that top. I figured that if I ever get a new MX5, that would be the one for me.

Once I drove it, I noticed that at highway speeds with the top up, it's not appreciably quieter than the ragtop. It doesn't bother me that it's not a quiet car, but if the hardtop could bring the noise down a notch on the highway, it would be a bonus. More importantly, even though the top can be powered up or down in only twelve seconds, it seems like it's the longest twelve seconds of your life when you're trying to put the top up or down if you do it at a red light, and there are people behind you honking the horn.

I can drop the top in my car in about two seconds. I don't have to wait for a whole choreographed procedure to finish. I can also raise it in a few seconds even while driving at up to 40 mph. If I'm driving and there's a sudden torrential downpour in front of me (a very frequent occurrence where I live), it's a big plus, so it's the ragtop for me. I find it to be far more convenient than the hardtop.

Miguel