RE: Driven: Aston Martin V8 Vantage Roadster

RE: Driven: Aston Martin V8 Vantage Roadster

Wednesday 30th December 2009

Driven: Aston Martin V8 Vantage Roadster

Chris-R exits BTaP in more decorous style than most...



On a freezing, star-lit November night, with a two hour ride ahead of me, I'm the sort of bloke who'll still want to take the roof off a convertible for the journey home.

Especially when I'm sporting black tie rig (well, it was BTaP night), and the convertible in question is an Aston Martin Vantage V8 Roadster. Unless you're Daniel Craig you don't get closer to living the 007 fantasy, and I wasn't missing the chance to milk it. Even if it meant staying uncharacteristically sober, while all around me succumbed to the lure of the evil drink. (Oh yes they did!)

Even Pussy Galore (a.k.a. 'the missus') seemed taken in by my dashing new style, and was all over me like a rash that weekend. Well, if I'm honest she was all over the car, but that's half the secret isn't it? Either way, I get far less of a look-in when I'm driving the office Clio...


It's by no means a new shape, the Vantage, but like most Astons, it has a timeless quality that somehow speaks to pedigree and breeding in a way that few other cars can muster. Who cares that many may be driven by cads and posers? It's fantastically beautiful, and turns plenty of heads to prove it.

It's not just the car's lines that catch the eye, with elegantly swooping prow and powerful hunkered-down haunches, but the fit and finish of the few external embellishments and the exquisite quality of the paintwork is evident from a mile-off.

And well, it's an Aston Martin, isn't it? And therefore the very essence of English good taste, even if the company boss is a German who sports trainers with a suit at company parties. (Oops, there goes my invitation to the next one...)


The Vantage that Aston loaned us for the weekend of the PH annual bash features what is apparently a typical 'average' spec for buyers of the vehicle. (Albeit since our drive news has emerged of a lightly modified version of the Vantage that's on the way in 2010.)

On this current (just) production model, 'typical spec' means a lustrous but silkily subdued Tungsten Silver paintjob, a set of the standard issue 20-spoke 19ins alloy wheels, Black fabric hood and Obsidian Black interior. The spec list also includes a 700watt audio set-up, which I forgot to turn on all weekend, cruise control, sat-nav and heated seats. (Without which I wimpishly admit my open-top getaway from BTaP would have been pretty much unendurable.)

The recently enlarged 420bhp, 4735cc V8 (which is 11 percent more powerful than earlier 4.3 litre cars) is hooked up to a manual transmission that has a revised flywheel and clutch for faster engine response and a lighter clutch pedal,


The car runs the standard Vantage chassis set-up, but that was also revised last year to improve body control and ride quality - largely through stiffer spring rates. Steering feel was improved during the same round of tweakery with mods to the geometry and bushing as was a set of upgraded Bilstein dampers all round. (This isn't the optional Sports Pack, which stiffens things up further for a harder sporting edge.)

As such, in its latest standard configuration, the Vantage Roadster is a fine driving experience, particularly on a cold winter night when its charms seem at their most visceral.

Astons are supposed to be a 'manly' drive, if it's still OK to say that, and the Vantage definitely feels beefy with the gear change for the rear transaxle requiring deliberate, if not quite ponderous movements. But hey, I've driven so many flappy-paddle shifts recently that I'm feeling a sort of retro-charm.

The steering is decently weighted with proper feedback too, and with excellent brakes the all round sensation of driving the Vantage is one of truly tangible pleasures. The only slight fly in the ointment is that the cockpit is a little cramped, but at 6'4" I've only myself to blame for that - and with the roof down headroom is never an issue.


That said, I definitely felt able to snuggle down further in the seat of the Jaguar XK cabrio I drove recently, and was more sheltered from the wind-rush too. In spite of the Aston's wind-break behind the seats (which snagged annoyingly on the automated hood mechanism), the back of my neck and shoulders felt just a little too exposed to the elements at times - whereas in this important comfort area the Jaguar really excels.

On the road, the Aston's V8 engine pulls strongly, but never alarmingly so, which is perhaps a tad disappointing at times. You'd think a potential 4.7sec 0-60mph time and 180mph maximum would indicate a bit more drama, but the car's terrifically upmarket demeanour (and a gearshift you have to think twice about) does tend to seduce its driver into a sort of brisk touring mode, rather than encouraging you to wring its neck in every gear. Or perhaps I should have been trying harder.


The downside of enjoying this comfortable fast touring gait is that you rarely get to enjoy the raging bellow of the engine, as at less than 4,000rpm it's barely audible with the roof down. Higher up the rev-range it sounds deliciously rude, thanks to a valve opening in the exhaust system, but there's an on/off feel to the sound-effects that leave me wanting to hear a bit more of the car's personality at everyday road speeds. (If you want to be rude at lower revs, apparently it's a simple matter to remove the relevant fuse, but I wasn't about to try that on our loan car.)

The ride while firm-ish, is comfortable with it, soaking up imperfections while maintaining decent body control through some challenging country lanes, where the traction control intervenes early to reign-in any hooligan tendencies. Switching it off for a brief responsibility break reveals predictably lurid (or luridly predictable) responses to a welly-full of throttle.


Next year's Vantage revisions are minimal and essentially cosmetic, with new side sills and clear rear lights being offered, alongside a new 10-spoke wheel option. The ECU has apparently been remapped in pursuit of better CO2 figures, but that's unlikely to make a difference to the car's feel on the road.

Having got the recipe pretty much spot-on with the changes introduced in 2008, it's no surprise that Aston's designers and engineers are reluctant to meddle with the ingredients. The Vantage is going to be a hard act to follow.

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Discussion

Dagnut

Original Poster:

3,515 posts

193 months

Wednesday 30th December 2009
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I definitely wouldn't spec those wheels.

Neil1300R

5,487 posts

178 months

Wednesday 30th December 2009
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Can't believe Aston supplied it with Fuse 22 in!
Only ever heard (literally) one Vantage with the fuse in. Makes the exhaust so much better - all of the time.

Zod

35,295 posts

258 months

Wednesday 30th December 2009
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It was having a Vantage Roadster for a week last year that removed the scales from my eyes and made me want an Aston. I was horribly busy at the time, but one memorable drive wiu my hen two year old son alongside me and he roof down sealed the deal. When you go through a tunnel and have to turn round and do it again at the demand of a two year old boy, you revel in his pure joy.

The gearshift is fluid once the transmission warms up.

soad

32,882 posts

176 months

Wednesday 30th December 2009
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Would take a coupe instead as it looks better imho. I just love that slippery roofline.



MrTappets

881 posts

191 months

Wednesday 30th December 2009
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A brilliant car to be sure, but i can't help feeling more drawn to the XKR coupe.

uuf361

3,154 posts

222 months

Wednesday 30th December 2009
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Unfortunately, in my experience (albeit the 4.3 Roadster) an awful car and disappointing in so many ways cry I so wanted it to be everything it should have been too frown

Robscim

792 posts

256 months

Wednesday 30th December 2009
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Still, you didn't have to sell it just before Le Mans!!

Git! hehe

R

uuf361

3,154 posts

222 months

Wednesday 30th December 2009
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Robscim said:
Still, you didn't have to sell it just before Le Mans!!

Git! hehe

R
You loved the Leon really wink

Luca Brasi

885 posts

174 months

Wednesday 30th December 2009
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Why do so many people order a dull and boring color combo like this. Aston offers so many nice colours for both interior and exterior. And the same goes for Ferrari, Porsche etc.

Speedraser

1,656 posts

183 months

Wednesday 30th December 2009
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uuf361, sorry to hear your experience was disappointing. Mine is the opposite. I'm only 6 weeks into ownership, but my new 4.7 Coupe, manual with Sports Pack, is just superb. It is everything I hoped it would be. I love the gearbox, and it handles exceptionally well, just as a well-balanced (49%F/51%R) front-engine/rear drive car should -- sharp turn-in, very neutral with huge front-end grip and an adjustable tail. While I haven't pushed my car very hard yet as it has only done about 500 miles, the car I test drove was seriously fast (significantly quicker than the 4.3), and it has strong low- and mid-range torque. The build quality is outstanding. I've had no problems so far, the craftsmanship is superb, everything fits beautifully, and the materials are in a league so far above the competition that there is simply no comparison. Finally, it is, IMO, the finest looking car available today.

Garlick

40,601 posts

240 months

Wednesday 30th December 2009
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Ooh, I don't like that colour combo, nor the wheels. Odd that a press car should be specced in such a way.

I'd take a nice V12 Coupe though thumbup

Walton

329 posts

218 months

Thursday 31st December 2009
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I really really wanted to like the Vanatge, but after an extended test drive was very disappointed. As a driver's car it fell so far short of a 997. The build quality also seemed shocking bad on this particular car despite having only having a few k on it and coming out of an Aston check. Unfortunately the whole experience left me with the impression that Aston's are for people who prefer style over substance.

Zod

35,295 posts

258 months

Thursday 31st December 2009
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exactly what was the problem with the build quality?

G4HKS

2,673 posts

219 months

Thursday 31st December 2009
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uuf361 said:
Unfortunately, in my experience (albeit the 4.3 Roadster) an awful car and disappointing in so many ways cry I so wanted it to be everything it should have been too frown
I wouldn't say it was awful, just crap in certain areas! For me it was too slow, the dials a joke to read, the magnetic belt hooks a design over kill (that don't even work), a Sat-Nav that should have been fitted to a Kia something or other (not a £91k car), a total ergonomic nightmare with regard to button layout - (in the 8 months of ownership I was still finding hidden buttons under the dash), too heavy - never felt agile and fluid to drive like a Porsche etc etc, and the most ridiculous handbook design I have ever seen. Looked great until you tried to use it, bearing in mind some one at Aston thought a nine inch long by 3" high book with bolts in it would be easy to handle!

Good points? best looking car in the world, sounded amazing (although lots of noise not much go), ASTON MARTIN on the bonnet and boot, compact size and made £2k over what I paid in Jan 2009, selling in August this year. Do we miss it? Not really but still adore the shape.



Zod

35,295 posts

258 months

Thursday 31st December 2009
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The ergonomics don't bother me (I never minded the original iDrive either), but I agree about the dials - the speedo in particular is impossible to read at town speeds, so you have to rely on the digital readout - and not even the most enthusiastic Aston owner would claim that the satnav is anything other than crap.

My experience though is that the cars are very well built.

uuf361

3,154 posts

222 months

Thursday 31st December 2009
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G4HKS said:
uuf361 said:
Unfortunately, in my experience (albeit the 4.3 Roadster) an awful car and disappointing in so many ways cry I so wanted it to be everything it should have been too frown
I wouldn't say it was awful, just crap in certain areas! For me it was too slow, the dials a joke to read, the magnetic belt hooks a design over kill (that don't even work), a Sat-Nav that should have been fitted to a Kia something or other (not a £91k car), a total ergonomic nightmare with regard to button layout - (in the 8 months of ownership I was still finding hidden buttons under the dash), too heavy - never felt agile and fluid to drive like a Porsche etc etc, and the most ridiculous handbook design I have ever seen. Looked great until you tried to use it, bearing in mind some one at Aston thought a nine inch long by 3" high book with bolts in it would be easy to handle!

Good points? best looking car in the world, sounded amazing (although lots of noise not much go), ASTON MARTIN on the bonnet and boot, compact size and made £2k over what I paid in Jan 2009, selling in August this year. Do we miss it? Not really but still adore the shape.
+1

It does look and sound amazing but all the negatives you mention above are just enough to make it not a good car, plus the dodgy clutch and woeful throttle response (it's a feture Sir - no it's appalling), Ford Ka key, Volvo key fob (why not just have one!) door handles from who knows where and a handbrake that was in completely the wrong place and and and............and don't forget the handbook that did not fit in the glovebox rolleyes

Speedraser

1,656 posts

183 months

Thursday 31st December 2009
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It's amazing that people have such drastically different experiences of the same car. Or perhaps it's not the same car?

Walton,
Did you drive a 4.3 or a 4.7? While I don't think the 4.3 is "too slow," it does need to be revved fairly hard to make it really go. If you drove a 4.7, was it a Sports Pack car? I drove the 997 before I bought the Aston and I found the Aston to be every bit as good to drive, as well as a lot more special to be in. At the absolute ragged edge, the 997 may have a slight advantage, but everywhere else I found the Sports Pack 4.7 V8 more involving. The build quality of my car (MY09) is superb, and so far above that of the 997 there is just no comparison. Importantly, I test drove a car that had several thousand miles on it, and its build quality also seemed excellent -- no squeaks, no rattles, nothing to suggest it was anything other than brand new. Were it merely style over substance, I would never have bought the Aston.

G4HKS and uuf361,
If you haven't experienced the 4.7, you don't know how different it is from the 4.3 -- so much more torque, and much stronger at the top end as well. Also, the Sports Pack makes a real difference to the feel of the car -- it gives the car the sharpness and incisiveness that the standard car lacks (and that not everyone wants). I can't say much about the Satnav since I've used it little so far, though the MY09 system seems to be a considerable improvement over the earlier system. The ergonomics don't bother me at all, though perhaps that's partly because I've driven 911s for so long... I agree that the speedo is not easy to read (I think it's because the numbers are too small, which is not the case for the rev counter), but with the digital supplement, this isn't a problem either. The throttle response off idle is poor, but above that it's fine. Also, my car's clutch doesn't stink, so I'm not too worried about its life. Oh, and the MY09 key is a work of art, which also works quite well once you're used to it. Besides, the V8V has a REAL dry sump, not a fake "integrated dry sump" like a 997 (GT3 excepted) smile

uuf361

3,154 posts

222 months

Thursday 31st December 2009
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The 4.3 throttle (manual) lag is woeful and seems to be well known by most of those who have had one from what I have seen.

Apart from the looks and sound my old 996 C2 was better and my 997 Turbo Cab miles better, but each to their own......

stanwan

1,895 posts

226 months

Friday 1st January 2010
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uuf361 said:
The 4.3 throttle (manual) lag is woeful and seems to be well known by most of those who have had one from what I have seen.

Apart from the looks and sound my old 996 C2 was better and my 997 Turbo Cab miles better, but each to
their own......
Now that's stretching it a bit! I regarly get the chance to swap between the 996 and v8 and the formers timewarp interior and crappy materials are thoroughly evident.

I do agree that the 996 is more agile, but it does weigh a lot less than the v8. Likewise my 996 feels lethargic and leaden compared to our screaming 4 pot hatchback!

uuf361

3,154 posts

222 months

Friday 1st January 2010
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The 996 may not have the best interior but it's significantly cheaper than the AMV8 (due to tha ge obviously) and in my experience a lot more agile/faster. I liked my 996 more than my AMV8 hence the 996 lasting 3.5 years in my ownership and the Aston just 5 months. I also know of 3 others who bought last year, none managed as long as me......

For proper comparison you'd need to compare the AMV8 interior with the 997.

Some (OK only a few) parts of the AMV8 interior were good (stitching, chrome bits), a lot were not.

All IMO of course.