RE: Open Season: More T (top), Vicar?

RE: Open Season: More T (top), Vicar?

Friday 10th December 2010

Open Season: More T (top), Vicar?

PH picks out some more convertibles-that-aren't


A few days back, as part of our celebration of top-down winter motoring - the PH 'Open Season' - we brought you a random selection of nearly-but-not-quite convertibles.

But we deliberately ignored the whole realm of those semi-convertibles known as Targas or T-tops. So now, following huge public pressure (sort of), we've had a rummage through the PH classifieds, and we have gathered for you a small (and non-exhaustive) collection of topless cars with roofs that have a 'T' in their name.

First, however, a little clarification. According to that unimpeachable source of all that is accurate and true, Wikipedia, A targa-style top is a "semi-convertible car body style with a removable roof section and a full width roll bar behind the seats. The rear window can be fixed or removable, making it a convertible-type vehicle."


The same font of internet knowledge also says that "Targa tops are different from T-tops, which have a solid, non-removable bar running between the top of the windscreen and the rear roll-bar."

And by the way, we do know that Porsche has the trademark on the Targa name and so, in deference to the Porsche enthusiasts among you, we shall do our best to call non-Porsche Targa roofs targa-style tops. Honestly, there hasn't been this much difficulty over a 'T' since that problem with the colonials over in Boston...

Porsche 911 Targa


You can't write about targa-style open-roofed cars without including Porsche 911s, so this is where we kick off. Although Porsche wasn't actually the progenitor of this type of roof (the Triumph TR4 Surrey Top and the wonderfully named Saab Catherina both did the targa-style thing before Porsche), the boys from Stuttgart were one of the pioneers of the genre, as well a giving the Targa roof a name (and a trademark).

Fuelled by fears that full-on convertibles would be outlawed due to safety fears in the US, Porsche decided to take the roof off its 911 by fitting a removable piece between the A-pillar and B-pillar, and leaving the B-pillar as a roll hoop.

The Porsche 911 carried on with this style of roof right from the mid-1960s until the mid-1990s, so there are plenty to choose from. We merely picked this 1983 3.0-litre SC Targa because it looks in decent condition, and is up for a mouthwateringly affordable £11,495.


In 1996, Porsche switched tack with its Targa, creating a full-length glass roof that retracted into the rear window (we're not explaining that particularly well, but you probably know what we mean) a style that continues to this day. Early 993 Targa values are relatively soft (in 993 terms) as well - this 993 3.6 manual Targa is up for a notably reasonable £19,990, albeit with a fair chunk of miles under its belt.

Ferrari GTS
Of course it's only fair to also include at this point the Italian arch-nemesis of the Targa Porsches, the 308 GTS. These are perfect if you fancy a Ferrari from the late 1970s or early 1980s and, like Tom Selleck, you are improbably tall.


You see Ferrari 308s hail from an era when the Italians didn't believe in making cars beautiful and convenient, so the only way for a tall person to be genuinely comfortable in a 308GTS is to have that roof panel out. Plus you can hear the sonorous 3.0-litre 255bhp V8 all the better that way.

You can indulge your Magnum PI fantasies in a rather perfect-looking 308 GTS like this one for around £25k.

But Ferrari did the targa-style thing in the 348 and F355, too, so if you want to head back to the 90s rather than the 80s you can pick up an F355 GTS like this - an early example of the now-ubiquitous F1 gearbox - for something in the region of £40k.

Corvette


We move into T-top territory with our next choice - a meaty-looking 1974 C3 Corvette Stingray with a 350cu V8. This one, finished in a delicious metallic blue could be in your drive for fifty quid less than £10k.

If you want something a bit more modern, there are targa-style versions of the later C4 and C5 Corvettes - but they'll set you back a little more.

Toyota MR2 T Bar
At the proper budget end of things, there's always that Tokyo Ferrari, the Mk2 Toyota MR2 T-bar.


This - if you squint - will give you Ferrari-esque looks for a fraction of the cost. But be careful - it's becoming increasingly difficult to find UK examples that haven't received the misguided attentions of 'modders'.

They are still out there, though, as this rather lovely-looking £2495 94 M-plate MR2 T Bar - we hope - proves.

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Turbocharger

Original Poster:

137 posts

199 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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What, no Elise? No Stag? Where's your heritage, man?

baby g

120 posts

197 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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NSX-T - possibly the most definitely not called a Targa Targa there's been.

CRX Del Sol would have sat nicely in this list too

SteveO...

465 posts

225 months

Thursday 9th December 2010
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What about TVR? The Tuscan is the obvious one.

fentuz

91 posts

201 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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Turbocharger said:
What, no Elise? No Stag? Where's your heritage, man?
Went to the the Cotswolds top down in the elise last Sunday, very nice and paradoxal with the frosty landscape smile

derin100

5,214 posts

243 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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How about some weird ones? I give you Baur E36 Saloon!


Fetchez la vache

5,572 posts

214 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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derin100 said:
How about some weird ones? I give you Baur E36 Saloon!

Is that a true Targa though, or a car that's had a set-to with an angle grinder?

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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993 Targas are simply fabulous imo, I will own one some day.

Konrod

870 posts

228 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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SteveO... said:
What about TVR? The Tuscan is the obvious one.
teacher Wot he said...........

derin100

5,214 posts

243 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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Fetchez la vache said:
derin100 said:
How about some weird ones? I give you Baur E36 Saloon!

Is that a true Targa though, or a car that's had a set-to with an angle grinder?
Well, it was actually produced by Baur not by some individual working alone with an angle grinder.

Some of their better known creations include:



and




But their E36 Saloon above is plain 'weird'!

Edited by derin100 on Friday 10th December 07:56

peteA

2,681 posts

234 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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Pontiac Transam

Smokey and the bandit!

Bandit: Now, gettin' to Texarkana and back in 28 hours, that's no problem.
Little Enos: It ain't never been done before, hot st.
Bandit: Watch your language, little lady.

LuS1fer

41,133 posts

245 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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4th gen Camaros and Trans Ams (and 3rd gens and 2nd gens)



Oh, here's one without T-tops so you see the difference...


Rover Tomcat


Yank cars had them on the most inappropriate "landaus" such as this Monte Carlo


or how about some POWER T-tops on this man-sized Eldorado






Edited by LuS1fer on Friday 10th December 08:56

mat205125

17,790 posts

213 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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"Should have bought the targa(style) roof!"




mat205125

17,790 posts

213 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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The Crack Fox said:
derin100 said:
How about some weird ones? I give you Baur E36 Saloon!

Sheeee-it that's ugly !
yes

.... but for some reason, I really want one??!!!??

insanojackson

5,746 posts

244 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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never thought of it as one but i suppose my vx220 woulod fit in with this thread too.

NotNormal

2,359 posts

214 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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And another..


Denorth

559 posts

171 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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it is a bit strange that there is no mention of Toyota Supra Aerotop


Daggerpie

1,434 posts

201 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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If we're picking on Porsches...


Riggers

1,859 posts

178 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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baby g said:
NSX-T - possibly the most definitely not called a Targa Targa there's been.

CRX Del Sol would have sat nicely in this list too
I did say it was an inexhaustive list smile

I wanted to pop in an NSX-T, but NSXs are pretty rare and there didn't seem to be any suitable ones in the PH classifieds...

As for the CRX Del Sol, I toyed with it, but if you go and have a rummage through the listings you'll see that they are either tatty or a bit too chavved-up. Which is a shame...

M666 EVO

1,124 posts

162 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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Didn't K.I.T.T have a Targa option??

Ryvita

713 posts

210 months

Friday 10th December 2010
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Denorth said:
it is a bit strange that there is no mention of Toyota Supra Aerotop
Well that saved me from having to dig out a photo. I've been thinking about changing to a Supra for a while, though probably a hard top, given the apparent impossibility of finding a manual twin-turbo aerotop. :-(