Show off your GT, past and present...

[ChrisW.]

Interesting, ... David was more discreet than you have been, but this is useful to know and I will make sure that Dave is aware of it. He would be very concerned to know even so long after the event. The joy of the quality independent's !!
I'm sorry it also cost David money ... as you say, despite the service history your judgement was better than mine ... but at least the car was returned to rude health !

They deserve to be well kept

[Slippydiff]

ChrisW. said:

Interesting, ... David was more discreet than you have been, but this is useful to know and I will make sure that Dave is aware of it. He would be very concerned to know even so long after the event. The joy of the quality independent's !!
I'm sorry it also cost David money ... as you say, despite the service history your judgement was better than mine ... but at least the car was returned to rude health !

They deserve to be well kept

I witnessed that “engineers” butchery first hand at Fearnsport as they removed the caliper retaining bolts from the uprights.
In fairness, stripping the threads out of the uprights when removing the caliper bolts is a common enough occurrence, but “glueing” the bolts back in afterwards, isn’t ...

IIRC the steering rack was leaking too.

I’m guessing it must have been 2008-9 when I viewed the car up in Scotland ? so it was 10 years old then, and most of them had been used hard and sold on as there were some big bills looming for many owners.

IIRC this car had required a new gearbox too ? For me that was a sure sign it had led a hard life at the hands of its previous owner/s.

[Digga]

It’s there somewhere, under the foam.

[LaSource]

Early morning snaps...

[ChrisW.]

Slippydiff said:

ChrisW. said:

Interesting, ... David was more discreet than you have been, but this is useful to know and I will make sure that Dave is aware of it. He would be very concerned to know even so long after the event. The joy of the quality independent's !!
I'm sorry it also cost David money ... as you say, despite the service history your judgement was better than mine ... but at least the car was returned to rude health !

They deserve to be well kept

I witnessed that “engineers” butchery first hand at Fearnsport as they removed the caliper retaining bolts from the uprights.
In fairness, stripping the threads out of the uprights when removing the caliper bolts is a common enough occurrence, but “glueing” the bolts back in afterwards, isn’t ...

IIRC the steering rack was leaking too.

I’m guessing it must have been 2008-9 when I viewed the car up in Scotland ? so it was 10 years old then, and most of them had been used hard and sold on as there were some big bills looming for many owners.

IIRC this car had required a new gearbox too ? For me that was a sure sign it had led a hard life at the hands of its previous owner/s.

Sorry Henry, I think you mistake the exchange of the bronze synchros for steel as fitted to the later cars. It was a known issue ... the car had also been under Porsche extended warranty, so it was at no cost to the owner. Would he have cut corners ? Or did Porsche ??

Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 24th April 21:19

[fistenburger]

A great run out over the Black Mountains to the top of Epynt

[Slippydiff]

fistenburger said:

A great run out over the Black Mountains to the top of Epynt

Great picture. Epic roads out there

[Slippydiff]

ChrisW. said:

Sorry Henry, I think you mistake the exchange of the bronze synchros for steel as fitted to the later cars. It was a known issue ... the car had also been under Porsche extended warranty, so it was at no cost to the owner. Would he have cut corners ? Or did Porsche ??

True Chris, the Mk1 did indeed have bronze synchro hubs, but only on 1st to 2nd (and possibly 2nd to 3rd, but I'm not 100% sure on the latter)
Even heavy track use shouldn't lead to premature failure of the 1st to 2nd synchro hubs (unless the car was tracked solely on short karting circuits)

All of which points to towards abuse rather than an intrinsic fault with the gearbox, but furthermore ALL of the stock Mk1's I owned had been tracked, and one of them hard and regularly, but there was no record of a gearbox replacement or indeed a rebuild in it's history, and it and all the other cars had perfect, smooth "hot knife through butter" shifts. Granted they were slightly notchy when cold, but anyone with a modicum of mechanical sympathy would know not to rush the shift from 1st to 2nd and force the shift from 2nd to 1st until the transmission/oil had warmed through, wouldn't they ... ???

I wasn't looking to denigrate the car, I'm all too aware that David B spent a LOT of money on it during his ownership, it made it a very sharp car aesthetically and one that was mechanically in tip top condition, and in doing so he ensured that it drove every bit as well as it looked

[raistrick]

SFO said:

beautiful. What green is that?

Hi SFO, Thank you - This is PTS Black Olive...

[ChrisW.]

Slippydiff said:

ChrisW. said:

Sorry Henry, I think you mistake the exchange of the bronze synchros for steel as fitted to the later cars. It was a known issue ... the car had also been under Porsche extended warranty, so it was at no cost to the owner. Would he have cut corners ? Or did Porsche ??

True Chris, the Mk1 did indeed have bronze synchro hubs, but only on 1st to 2nd (and possibly 2nd to 3rd, but I'm not 100% sure on the latter)
Even heavy track use shouldn't lead to premature failure of the 1st to 2nd synchro hubs (unless the car was tracked solely on short karting circuits)

All of which points to towards abuse rather than an intrinsic fault with the gearbox, but furthermore ALL of the stock Mk1's I owned had been tracked, and one of them hard and regularly, but there was no record of a gearbox replacement or indeed a rebuild in it's history, and it and all the other cars had perfect, smooth "hot knife through butter" shifts. Granted they were slightly notchy when cold, but anyone with a modicum of mechanical sympathy would know not to rush the shift from 1st to 2nd and force the shift from 2nd to 1st until the transmission/oil had warmed through, wouldn't they ... ???

I wasn't looking to denigrate the car, I'm all too aware that David B spent a LOT of money on it during his ownership, it made it a very sharp car aesthetically and one that was mechanically in tip top condition, and in doing so he ensured that it drove every bit as well as it looked

I'm not aware that it did have a replacement gearbox ... I am aware that the synchros were done and I assume that Porsche agreed that they needed doing and covered it under the extended warranty, as for the steering rack, who knows ? When I own a car I always want it to be trouble free for the next owner, hence my interest in this dialogue not painting me or the car in a bad light ...

At the time the cars were in the mid '30s ... well used cars were all in danger of falling into disrepair ... and nobody is disputing that it had been well used. But it was still too lovely to be binned ;-)

[Slippydiff]

ChrisW. said:

I'm not aware that it did have a replacement gearbox ... I am aware that the synchros were done and I assume that Porsche agreed that they needed doing and covered it under the extended warranty, as for the steering rack, who knows ? When I own a car I always want it to be trouble free for the next owner, hence my interest in this dialogue not painting me or the car in a bad light ...

At the time the cars were in the mid '30s ... well used cars were all in danger of falling into disrepair ... and nobody is disputing that it had been well used. But it was still too lovely to be binned ;-)

The steering racks leaking/failing are a common enough issue, it affects cars used on the road as well as tracked cars, and has nothing to do with the the car being used on track, nor is it in any way indicative of “abuse”.

None of them deserved/deserves to be binned Chris

I would hope the only individual/outfit being painted in a bad light is those “charged” with butchering the caliper mountings ...

[barchetta_boy]

[fistenburger]

I did my first trackday in the GT3 yesterday and was blown away by how capable the car is. I have a lot of learning to do to get the most out of it.
In the meantime here's a couple of pictures showing the aftermarket G-indicator devices I use

[Gibbo205]

My Guards Red GT3

[Digga]

Gibbo205 said:

My Guards Red GT3

Nice motor and worthwhile thread resurrection.

[Digga]

Ready for takeoff.

[kevs 172]

[PGNSagaris]

My two…so far the yellow car is winning my heart (slightly) more

[Digga]

[ZH997]

Late to the party, besotted with it for the past year. Many years to come!