991 GT3 private sale
Discussion
Mermaid said:
GT4RS said:
PorscheGT4 said:
sidicks said:
On what basis?
Are you referring to a £101k list price car or a £125k list price car or somewhere in between?
on the basic they are dropping £3k a week, so only a mug would buy at £150k atmAre you referring to a £101k list price car or a £125k list price car or somewhere in between?
why buy today what is cheaper tomorrow.
GT4RS said:
I agree the trend is very clear, will be an interesting few months for some.
If current 991.GT3 owners start cashing in the unexpected windfall (no matter how good the car is)991 GTRS deliveries will release even more cars
If Euro keeps dropping, LHD becomes more attractive
If 991.2 GT3 is announced...
Of course, there is a flip side to all of the above, but I expect there will be many sellers below £150k
Mermaid said:
If current 991.GT3 owners start cashing in the unexpected windfall (no matter how good the car is)
991 GTRS deliveries will release even more cars
If Euro keeps dropping, LHD becomes more attractive
If 991.2 GT3 is announced...
Of course, there is a flip side to all of the above, but I expect there will be many sellers below £150k
Evening - your points 1&2 - the amount of cars on sale would indicate that a lot of this us already built into current values 991 GTRS deliveries will release even more cars
If Euro keeps dropping, LHD becomes more attractive
If 991.2 GT3 is announced...
Of course, there is a flip side to all of the above, but I expect there will be many sellers below £150k
LHD - hard to compare - I know I would never go LHD no matter what
The last one - if it happens will be a long way off - need to get standard 991 gen 2 line up delivered first - the whole gambit : from C2 through C4 , cabrio , targa , etc , etc + need lots of clear water between gen 1 RS and Gen 2 GT3 (if it happens )
Great cars either way - very excited about the RS though
GT4RS said:
Out of interest do we know how many RHD 991 gt3 rs are coming to our shores?
At least 200, more likely 250. But there is so much demand here, some production could be channeled to the UK - happened with the 991 GT3, and will also happen with the GT4. Nice currency play for Porsche with the weak Euro.V8KSN said:
sidicks said:
To be fair that car has done 3-4x the mileage of most cars, which will drag the price down (not that it should be a problem) - it is fairly well specced though!
Fair enough, here is one for £147k with only 2150 miles on it!http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
If I was buying one (and I wish I was) I would be looking at LHD models and saving £50k.
Having said that, if my numbers came up on the Lotto I would be paying £200k+ for a 991 GT3 RS
If you are currently looking for a 991 gt3 it may pay to wait!
I'd be interested to see where they bottom out. Would you say it is a good idea to monitor OPC prices rather than other trade and private sellers? Any ideas where prices may fall to? What ever happened with the 'fire' issue, did that get resolved for existing cars (sorry, sure this has been covered to death, but all searches I do tend to bring up the issue, not the solution).
From my understanding the engine issue's are all rectified. I'm not an owner so it may be better that a 991 gt3 confirms all is now put to bed.
In theory opc prices should always sit higher than private garages and private sale, if I was buying I would be more interested in what an opc would actual pay for the car than the sticker price. At the moment I bet there would be a significant difference in price.
Considering only 300 cars came to the uk and 50 plus are currently for sale I would be a little worried if I was a 991 gt3 owner trying to jump ship. Let's hope the other 250 UK owners enjoy there cars and are not worry about future values.
In theory opc prices should always sit higher than private garages and private sale, if I was buying I would be more interested in what an opc would actual pay for the car than the sticker price. At the moment I bet there would be a significant difference in price.
Considering only 300 cars came to the uk and 50 plus are currently for sale I would be a little worried if I was a 991 gt3 owner trying to jump ship. Let's hope the other 250 UK owners enjoy there cars and are not worry about future values.
GT4RS said:
Considering only 300 cars came to the uk and 50 plus are currently for sale I would be a little worried if I was a 991 gt3 owner trying to jump ship. Let's hope the other 250 UK owners enjoy there cars and are not worry about future values.
That is more than any prior GT3 model, and so the market is a bit saturated.A GT4 at say £70k list and the 991 RS at say £145k list (modest options) makes the £150k 991 GT3 not as appealing as it was 6 months ago, so a GT3 owner bailing out (if he can secure one of the other cars) is a no brainer.
Announcement of a 991.2 GT3 would remove all premium and some, and that too has to be a concern for Porsche have enough time (by 2020) to introduce a 991.2 GT3 + an RS although hybrid is inevitable.
GT4 is most appealing for the duties of what was the "GT3" as most remember it.
The GT4's premium will be dictated by the 997 GT3 market. You would have to be a bit mental to pay way over for a GT4 if you can get a 997 GT3 for less (in my opinion).
The boat has sailed for those who want to make serious money out of a 991 GT3, once you discount the hassle involved in selling.
The boat has sailed for those who want to make serious money out of a 991 GT3, once you discount the hassle involved in selling.
Mermaid said:
That is more than any prior GT3 model, and so the market is a bit saturated.
A GT4 at say £70k list and the 991 RS at say £145k list (modest options) makes the £150k 991 GT3 not as appealing as it was 6 months ago, so a GT3 owner bailing out (if he can secure one of the other cars) is a no brainer.
Announcement of a 991.2 GT3 would remove all premium and some, and that too has to be a concern for Porsche have enough time (by 2020) to introduce a 991.2 GT3 + an RS although hybrid is inevitable.
GT4 is most appealing for the duties of what was the "GT3" as most remember it.
Unusually for me Mermaid I have to disagree with you on a lot of these points.A GT4 at say £70k list and the 991 RS at say £145k list (modest options) makes the £150k 991 GT3 not as appealing as it was 6 months ago, so a GT3 owner bailing out (if he can secure one of the other cars) is a no brainer.
Announcement of a 991.2 GT3 would remove all premium and some, and that too has to be a concern for Porsche have enough time (by 2020) to introduce a 991.2 GT3 + an RS although hybrid is inevitable.
GT4 is most appealing for the duties of what was the "GT3" as most remember it.
I would say a fair number of owners of 991 GT3's who are either drivers or speculators are not bothered..they can see the cars fall another £20k and still be up small or flat which on a 2 yr old car is a nice position.
I have no doubt that for a good few months the RS will command good money and in turn that will at least halt the GT3 or maybe renew interest.
Although the original problems with the 991 GT3 engine have been resolved and it probably put their other plans back a bit, I still believe there will be another GT3 in the 991 platform.
I have never had the pleasure of driving a 991 GT3 but I just cant understand everyone's hang ups..all this Mezger talk, hydraulic steering and a clutch pedal...things have to move forward with the times and the idea that Porsche's track orientated car was going to stay manual was highly unlikely..for all the die hard fans if there is another GT3 and it offers both boxes then you really got to stick your money where your mouth is because if you dont and the take up vs PDK is the same as with other 911's then its all but over.
Seeing all the videos of Harris, Sutcliffe et al I dont think the GT3 has lost any of its ethos excitement or engagement to drive.
hondansx said:
The GT4's premium will be dictated by the 997 GT3 market. You would have to be a bit mental to pay way over for a GT4 if you can get a 997 GT3 for less (in my opinion).
Interesting viewpoint. I was on the list for a GT4 but I gave up my place and decided to stick with my 2007 GT3. Will be interested to see which way the prices go for both in the next year or two.
With good 997.2 GT3's around 100k once the 991 reaches parity with them, would anyone with a 997.2 do a straight swap for a 991 GT3???
Once they are at the same price it will be very interesting, will we end up in a situation where the 997 is worth more than a 991??? or will the 991 force the 997 down???
Once they are at the same price it will be very interesting, will we end up in a situation where the 997 is worth more than a 991??? or will the 991 force the 997 down???
Hopefully it will mean we'll see a return of GT3s to the track because people will stop being so precious about their 'investments'!
Being lucky enough to own both cars, they are surprisingly different in how they drive and reward. If you want to monster track days, the 991 is the tool of choice. If you want a nice drive on a Sunday, the 997 is a better option.
Being lucky enough to own both cars, they are surprisingly different in how they drive and reward. If you want to monster track days, the 991 is the tool of choice. If you want a nice drive on a Sunday, the 997 is a better option.
pete a said:
With good 997.2 GT3's around 100k once the 991 reaches parity with them, would anyone with a 997.2 do a straight swap for a 991 GT3???
Would be tempting for sure! Then I'd think I might miss the gear stick too much on the road. For ultimate track slag fun though I would have to go 991! :-@
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