993: If you had £5k for tweaks/upgrades....

[Magna]

As a very rough number I would say it would be about £900.

[Wozy68]

Just to throw a spanner in the works, after two years of research, I've just ordered FSD Konis.
I wanted firmness on the twisties in the Pyrenees when I go with the lads, and compliance on uk roads and when the wife's with me.
Feedback seems to point to these doing the job very well. Though I'm updating the old girl and making her more sporty. She will never see a track with me, so I'm trying to update, yet not lose how she came out the factory.

Saying that I've just bought a LWF and RS quick shift, hopefully both being fitted later this month

Edited by Wozy68 on Sunday 12th January 10:14

[Magna]

Wozy68 said:

Just to throw a spanner in the works, after two years of research

Edited by Wozy68 on Sunday 12th January 10:14

Bloody hell I hope the wait is worth it.
FSD's seem to have good comments and are similar in price to the std Billy HD's.

[Mario149]

thegoose said:

Are your wheels definitely genuine items, with the rim width and offset cast in to the front face either side of the valve? If not then you probably have very heavy replicas.

Just seen this post mate, somehow missed it before. Is it 100% that if you don't have the offset cast into the face they're fake? Mine don't, but nor do the set on the 993 Carrera S parked in my car park either, and I thought that the Carrera Ss came with the hollow spoke Turbo rims as standard? Or have I got that wrong?

Luckily, even if my turbo wheels aren't genuine it isn't a massive problem as I'm just about to get some Cup 2s delivered - I figure I can keep the winters on the (fake?) turbo wheels, and have nice summer rubber on the new ones!

[Boo152]

Stop trying so hard guys!

IMHO with 993s, the best ride, handling, precision/delicacy combination is to be found on original 16inch rims, combined with recently refreshed OE suspension.

Only departure from OE suspension on mine(apart from renewing everything all round a few thou ago) is polybushes to the front, which give an (ever so slightly) firmer feel to the steering on the road.

Or perhaps the 'Large wheel/trick suspension' Fanboys are more interested in how their cars look than how they drive?

[Wozy68]

Boo152 said:

Stop trying so hard guys!

IMHO with 993s, the best ride, handling, precision/delicacy combination is to be found on original 16inch rims, combined with recently refreshed OE suspension.

Only departure from OE suspension on mine(apart from renewing everything all round a few thou ago) is polybushes to the front, which give an (ever so slightly) firmer feel to the steering on the road.

Or perhaps the 'Large wheel/trick suspension' Fanboys are more interested in how their cars look than how they drive?

Hi Tom,

Worse mistake I made ............ mine had the original 16s in her when I bought her, sold em for £100.00. Love the 17s, but it would have been nice to still have the originals ...... especially for winter tyres

Re suspension ....... Mines in need, I wanted to keep original, but I just couldn't give Porsche £1500 for new M033 and old Monroes

Edited by Wozy68 on Sunday 12th January 20:43

[Wozy68]

Magna said:

Wozy68 said:

Just to throw a spanner in the works, after two years of research

Edited by Wozy68 on Sunday 12th January 10:14

Bloody hell I hope the wait is worth it.
FSD's seem to have good comments and are similar in price to the std Billy HD's.

lol ........... should really have said, 2 years of being chicken and 2 years of saving

[Orangecurry]

You missed my answer as well.

Mario149 said:

thegoose said:

Are your wheels definitely genuine items, with the rim width and offset cast in to the front face either side of the valve? If not then you probably have very heavy replicas.

Just seen this post mate, somehow missed it before. Is it 100% that if you don't have the offset cast into the face they're fake? Mine don't, but nor do the set on the 993 Carrera S parked in my car park either, and I thought that the Carrera Ss came with the hollow spoke Turbo rims as standard? Or have I got that wrong?

Orangecurry said:

thegoose said:

Are your wheels definitely genuine items, with the rim width and offset cast in to the front face either side of the valve? If not then you probably have very heavy replicas.

Turbo1 wheels do NOT have the width/offset 'cast' into the rim each side of the valve. It's one of the only genuine OE wheels that doesn't.

[Mario149]

Orangecurry said:

You missed my answer as well.

Haha!

[stevewak]

Boo152 said:

Stop trying so hard guys!

IMHO with 993s, the best ride, handling, precision/delicacy combination is to be found on original 16inch rims, combined with recently refreshed OE suspension.

Only departure from OE suspension on mine(apart from renewing everything all round a few thou ago) is polybushes to the front, which give an (ever so slightly) firmer feel to the steering on the road.

Or perhaps the 'Large wheel/trick suspension' Fanboys are more interested in how their cars look than how they drive?

Makes sense - how many people now ruing decision to 'upgrade' 1960s/70s 911T/E/S etc to a more modern or better handling set-up? Issues of rapacious OPC parts prices or fundamentally poor design aside, leave it as it is. I belive Porsche does know what it's doing.

[Mario149]

Bump! Update:

Off to Centre Gravity tomorrow to have PSS10s and Eibach springs fitted

List of stuff I decided to do in the end:

Fit HIDs
Fit strut brace
Callipers refurbed and repainted red
Replace fog/running lights with ducts/running lights
Dial faces redone in white
Fit motorsound airbox (arriving in a couple of days) to complement the Carnewal RSR.

With any luck, in about 48 hours or so, I should have pretty much the sweetest handling and sounding 993 Cab in the country And then I have to go abroad and won't be able to drive it for ages as everything has taken rather longer than planned

[wfarrell]

Wozy68 said:

Just to throw a spanner in the works, after two years of research, I've just ordered FSD Konis.
I wanted firmness on the twisties in the Pyrenees when I go with the lads, and compliance on uk roads and when the wife's with me.
Feedback seems to point to these doing the job very well. Though I'm updating the old girl and making her more sporty. She will never see a track with me, so I'm trying to update, yet not lose how she came out the factory.

Saying that I've just bought a LWF and RS quick shift, hopefully both being fitted later this month

Edited by Wozy68 on Sunday 12th January 10:14

Wozy, any news on the FSD purchase ...are they on the car yet ?

[Wozy68]

wfarrell said:

Wozy, any news on the FSD purchase ...are they on the car yet ?

They are sat in storage at work, I'm just about to order the M033 springs and then in a few weeks or so, buy new top mounts....... Budget constraints and all that
The one other thing I'm seriously considering, is uprating the ARBs to the M030 spec from the standard setup. Basically I want to keep B road compliance, but firm up laterally on the twisties a bit.

I actually agree with Boo. Standard was good, I just can't spend good money on something from OPC that should be a third the price it is, and to boot, twenty years old technology.

I've had a wild thought of replacing the whole rear suspension arms etc as they are now twenty years old, so possibly even more expense. I'll update when its all/partially done.

Oh, and then there's the RS LWF and clutch I have ready in the wings to be fitted. Damn.

Edited by Wozy68 on Monday 24th February 21:41

[Mario149]

Mario149 said:

Bump! Update:

Off to Centre Gravity tomorrow to have PSS10s and Eibach springs fitted

List of stuff I decided to do in the end:

Fit HIDs
Fit strut brace
Callipers refurbed and repainted red
Replace fog/running lights with ducts/running lights
Dial faces redone in white
Fit motorsound airbox (arriving in a couple of days) to complement the Carnewal RSR.

With any luck, in about 48 hours or so, I should have pretty much the sweetest handling and sounding 993 Cab in the country And then I have to go abroad and won't be able to drive it for ages as everything has taken rather longer than planned

Just thought I'd post a few piccies of the above and source/cost - in case anyone is thinking of making some of the same changes it can be used as a ref, all prices include VAT and delivery where applicable, but exclude labour unless stated otherwise:


Motorsound airbox - PorcheShop.co.uk - £101






Bilstein PSS10s with Eibach springs - Carnewal.com for the shocks, Center Gravity sourced the springs - £2010 for shocks, £300 for springs
More info on suspension fitting/setup here






Calliper strip down, refurb, repainted red, some new brake pipes and hose - Sid at porsche-torque.com - £480 inc labour






Running lights/ducts - type911shop.co.uk, parts fitted by Sid at porsche-torque.com - £106 for parts, £120 painting and fitting
HID light conversion (not visible ) - Sid at porsche-torque.com - £180 inc fitting






OMP Strut brace - seller "strutbracer" on eBay - £151






Dials refaced in white - reapautomotivedesign.co.uk - c.£300 (excludes removing and refitting)




I have to say although it was expensive, the decision to reface the dials is one I am exceptionally pleased with. They really seem to lift the blue leather interior and make the car feel much more special. During the day you get the lovely white that stands out, and at night they look black except where the light bleeds from the pointers where it then shines a little white again giving them a halo/aura effect. It's just really pretty and frankly actually slightly distracting on the motorway as a result

I'm now toying with the idea of clear indicator lenses but I actually do like the amber retro look. I should really also complete the "performance package" by getting it remapped by Wayne who people have recommended, but I think that may have to wait a few months unless I can get one of my mates to run it to him while I'm away.

Edited by Mario149 on Friday 28th February 08:21

[IknowJoseph]

Great updates, thanks.

[exigepete]

Looks good, you must be very happy, 993 such a classic shape.

[exigepete]

Looks good, you must be very happy, 993 such a classic shape.

[TB993tt]

Mario149 said:

Can you explain about the Eibach springs paired with the PSS10 ? Presume the standard Bilstein spring is chucked but looks like the helper is retained ? What spec is the Eibach compared to the Billy one ? What are you trying to achieve and does it work ? What is the rate of the Eibach compared to standard Billy spring ?

Is the ride better (maybe you can't say 'cos you never tried the stock billy spring) or is it supposed to be ?

TIA

[Mario149]

TB993tt said:

Mario149 said:

Can you explain about the Eibach springs paired with the PSS10 ? Presume the standard Bilstein spring is chucked but looks like the helper is retained ? What spec is the Eibach compared to the Billy one ? What are you trying to achieve and does it work ? What is the rate of the Eibach compared to standard Billy spring ?

Is the ride better (maybe you can't say 'cos you never tried the stock billy spring) or is it supposed to be ?

TIA

Yup, the Bilstein spring is not used but the helper is retained. From memory the Bilstein ones are 50 N/mm and 70 N/mm and the Eibachs are 28% less, you can do the maths, too early for me! If my understanding was correct, when we were discussing options on the phone, Chris explained that given the fact it was a Cab we were working with there was going to be extra flex in the chassis that you wouldn't get with the standard C2. Lowering the spring rates means that the spring "gives" a little easier than the Bilsteins, transferring less instantaneous load into the chassis meaning it's less likely to flex and distort the geo. It wasn't that it was def going to cause a problem, but we decided that since I was making quite a sizeable financial commitment getting all this done, we might as well use his experience and not take the risk.

I'd give Chris a quick call to confirm that I'm not talking tripe though just to make sure!

I've never tried the stock Bilstein spring so can't do a comparison, but truth be told, living in London and having driven the car a little round town yesterday, I wouldn't want it any firmer. And when we were out for the test drive at the end of the chassis tuning, it felt very sweet.

As an aside, normally Chris would send out PSS10s on a 993 with them set to 5 for the road, but because of the Eibachs, we have them set to 3 on the Cab as they don't have to work as hard against the spring. If I have a moment tomorrow, I'm going to have a play and dial them up to 5 and then may be further to see what happens and report back.

Edited by Mario149 on Friday 28th February 08:12

Edited by Mario149 on Friday 28th February 08:13

[TB993tt]

Mario149 said:

Yup, the Bilstein spring is not used but the helper is retained. From memory the Bilstein ones are 50 N/mm and 70 N/mm and the Eibachs are 28% less, you can do the maths, too early for me! If my understanding was correct, when we were discussing options on the phone, Chris explained that given the fact it was a Cab we were working with there was going to be extra flex in the chassis that you wouldn't get with the standard C2. Lowering the spring rates means that the spring "gives" a little easier than the Bilsteins, transferring less instantaneous load into the chassis meaning it's less likely to flex and distort the geo. It wasn't that it was def going to cause a problem, but we decided that since I was making quite a sizeable financial commitment getting all this done, we might as well use his experience and not take the risk.

I'd give Chris a quick call to confirm that I'm not talking tripe though just to make sure!

I've never tried the stock Bilstein spring so can't do a comparison, but truth be told, living in London and having driven the car a little round town yesterday, I wouldn't want it any firmer. And when we were out for the test drive at the end of the chassis tuning, it felt very sweet.

As an aside, normally Chris would send out PSS10s on a 993 with them set to 5 for the road, but because of the Eibachs, we have them set to 3 on the Cab as they don't have to work as hard against the spring. If I have a moment tomorrow, I'm going to have a play and dial them up to 5 and then may be further to see what happens and report back.

Very interesting, thanks for that.