Cayman R - owners/buyers/mods

[Axel987]

fioran0 said:

Unfortunately it's the opposite that is likely true based on looking at studies undertaken in this area. Weight of evidence - talking general here - suggests that rather than the internet somehow causing negative personality traits, the direct interaction required IRL tends to simply force people to camouflage.
This applies to all of us to some degree; there is however variation at an individual level as to how much camouflage is utilised IRL. This depends on quite complex socio-economic factors as one may well imagine.
The internet therefore provides an outlet rather than a cause. It's an important distinction.
I posted a link to a peer reviewed academic article in this area that made for some interesting reading. Even for those not interested in this area of research directly, it still made for an informative read given we all exist to some degree in a virtual environment.

sure gloves come off at the internet. But Ive got plenty of friends who are hilarious/retarded online on forums etc, Ive known them 20 years so I know what they are like "in real life". Internet sometimes brings out the best and worst in people.

[fioran0]

PorscheGT4 said:

the best place to sort it out is a safe sprint event and see where people stand on driving skill and cars they own.

Do you run data-logging on your cars? I know you said you ran a Vbox or something a while back.
This should definitely be something you should look to get into for 2015 rather than throwing down random "high noon" internet challenges. Its hugely instructive and informative but perhaps more importantly - it turns ones competitive streak on themselves. This is where it should be focused to be most constructive.

AIM by all accounts have some interesting stand alone logger options that you can use if you dont want to run a full dash and logger combo (as I imagine you dont). This would be useful for starting you off on this path. There are of course then the offerings from Motec and others if you want to get spendy.

Edit to add:
Its a pity you arent driving the US tracks. There would be a ton of folks with data that you could compare with, and data coaches you could work with that would make the whole thing even more rewarding and interesting.
I could have also stuck some data etc up for you to get going with though mine ultimately may not be that helpful at the start due to the disparity in terms of cars.

Maybe you could be the driving force in getting a bunch of like minded folks with similar cars to yours in the UK to start logging and comparing etc in the spirit of co-operation. You could also possibly arrange seminars as a group with a data coach if the bug bit hard enough. The costs would be split and with everyone in similar cars it could be really beneficial.
Worth thinking about. It would be very rewarding.

Edited by fioran0 on Wednesday 8th April 11:18

[PR36]

what a coincidence, today im ordering an aim solo for my track bike but I know if you order the dl version it plugs into the port of the 987 cayman so not only can you do gps lap timing overlaid on a track map, but you can also overlay the loggable data too such as revs, speed etc. I am going to probably use it as a basic level to see where I am braking, coasting, accelerating and to what degree but it would certainly be interesting to compare to some of the very quick boys to see where I lose time. And it will mostly be an educational tool for me rather than something to show off with or belittle others..!

[MDT48]

anonymous said:

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In all seriousness, I've spent a lot of time driving with moose over the years, both on and off track, in our own cars and in press fleet cars, and our attitudes towards driving in general are pretty similar. Neither of us give a toss about lap times, whether set by ourselves, by others or by manufacturers. We both drive because we enjoy it, and we're looking to get the most pleasure out of the experience - sometimes that means pushing the car very hard, other times it's a case of just letting it flow through the bends as smoothly as possible.

I've got no idea how fast I can lap Bedford, or Brands, or Coombe, and I don't really care. And I certainly don't think that an arbitrary lap time around a particular track, on a particular day, is proof of anyone's credibility on a forum.

I have no idea how fast MrD is around a track and I don't care. I have a fair idea of how fast moose is around a track, and I care just as little about that. I'm also fairly certain that the vast majority of readers of this thread care as little as I do on both counts.

All that said, as a Cayman R owner, I'd really, really like a Cayman R owners' thread to stay on topic, at least for a couple of weeks.

What are the chances?

[PR36]

MDT48 said:

All that said, as a Cayman R owner, I'd really, really like a Cayman R owners' thread to stay on topic, at least for a couple of weeks.

What are the chances?

slim

[Axel987]

Swapped the air filter for this badboy now, along with a desnork

http://www.evoms.com/Porsche_Cayman_987_Performanc...

thanks for the advice MrDemon! ( credit where its due : - ) )

[Axel987]

Are there any european agents for the EVOMS V-Flow , anyone know? bit of a hike to order one from the US shippingwise.

[edc]

Regal Autosport used to supply their kit. If you put EVOMS UK into Google you also get a few other distributors

[PorscheGT4]

Yes regal are the Only UK supplier. (well used to be, seems there are more now)

you have to drill two small holes which is hard, as the space is small to get too, so make sure you have a dremal.

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Wednesday 8th April 14:33

[PorscheGT4]

fioran0 said:

Do you run data-logging on your cars? I know you said you ran a Vbox or something a while back.

I have a Vbox to just see my 30-130 times drop when tuning, as seconds off a 30-130 time is better than seeing a dyno plot with 30bhp more it.

Not into data logging as I just do the odd track day for fun at 80% (4 a year), the more expensive the car the slower one gets ;-)

and to do real data logging you need a team to do tyre temps on hot laps and then the brakes over heat and you cannot get back out on track to cool them and sit In a que for 15 minutes while the cars blows all it's temps !

[Dan911]

PorscheGT4 said:

Yes regal are the Only UK supplier. (well used to be, seems there are more now)

you have to drill two small holes which is hard, as the space is small to get too, so make sure you have a dremal.

Do you need to remove the old air intake, and if so how hard is it to put back in come service time? (got to think about the warranty)

[PorscheGT4]

easy to reverse, hardest part is getting the 2 small holes in the old air box.
But the old filter just 5 minute job to get back in, after you have engine cover off.

[Axel987]

Could someone link the suppliers of the EVOMS V-flow intake in england? There is no such product on regals homepage anymore.
Great appreciated ta!

[edc]

Just call or email them. Not all the resellers / distributors list all their individual products on their websites.

[Axel987]

Ill mail Regal. Doesnt show up anyone else on google, anyone else?

[PR36]

chaps did any of you google up some reviews on the EVOMS, this may prove interesting. Particularly this quote:

"Not related to filter efficiency, but we run the stock filter, TB, and intake on the CaymanSpec race car and the engine still makes ~305 RWHP (two dynes). Would an Evo make more? Don't know, but it appears the stock filter flows more than enugh air to cope with a fully open, catless race exhaust, decked heads, 100 octane race gas, and new ECU program (the car was moving more air than the stock program could accomodate putting the upstream O2 sensors values at/beyond the limit)."

Of course if you just like buying stuff for your car thats fine! The thread is here:

http://www.planet-9.com/987-cayman-boxster-modific...

[fioran0]

PorscheGT4 said:

Not into data logging as I just do the odd track day for fun at 80% (4 a year), the more expensive the car the slower one gets ;-)

and to do real data logging you need a team to do tyre temps on hot laps and then the brakes over heat and you cannot get back out on track to cool them and sit In a que for 15 minutes while the cars blows all it's temps !

I'm not sure where your idea that you need a support crew taking tire temps with hot laps and the rest comes from. I cant think of one track day driver using logging that runs any differently to any other track day attendee. They just run round and round having fun but have the added bonus that the session for them doesn't stop when they go home.

To use data effectively in this situation you load up the laps once you are home and look over the reality of how you drove in detail.
Having the data allows you to evaluate what you did well, what you didn't do well and best of all - assuming you have others willing to share - see how others got round in comparable cars. How were they braking, getting on gas, turning in etc etc.

Assessing yourself by looking at the data collected gives you goals that you can work on - incrementally - next time you are out as a means to improve yourself and what you are doing. Using it in this way means its not about chasing a time in the conventional sense, but simply about truthfully and effectively understanding what you are doing when you are on track and how you can improve. Times become secondary, serving only to guide how close you are getting to any benchmarks or references set.

This makes it a very self focused activity. You quickly learn that the real challenge is yourself, not the guy you heard talking smack. It doesn't matter how fast or slow you are relative to others in the end, it's just about you and what you are doing. It's incredibly beneficial as a tool for improvement but it is also fun. Once you get the bug, pouring over session data in the weeks after the track day becomes as much fun as the day driving was.
That being said, the reality of how awful ones driving is at first when you see it there in clear metrics can be a sobering and humbling experience.

It can also prove a pretty useful tool in thinking of mods to undertake going forward. It can often be easy to see from the data where changes could be most useful and see whether the expected improvements occurred post mod. Using the two together (driver and car) really opens doors to a whole world of addiction. Jack Olsen is a wonderful example of someone taking this approach and systematically working to inch forward step by step in an incredible way in terms of his skills and his car using data logging to focus his approach.

Anyways, there are enough Cayman folk on here it seems that it could be fun to get a group together running loggers and comparing sessions and track info, building a little community from those who like the odd track day and their cars.
Since I don't have one, it needs to be someone else to be the one to get that together though.

Edited by fioran0 on Thursday 9th April 04:38

[fioran0]

PR36 said:

chaps did any of you google up some reviews on the EVOMS, this may prove interesting. Particularly this quote:

"Not related to filter efficiency, but we run the stock filter

Not specifically helpful but the 997.2 Cup with the 3.8L engine used a standard paper air filter, moving away from the BMC filters used previously in the 996 and 997.1 Cup with the 3.6L engines. These had no problems moving air and any decision to change by Porsche Motorsport was most certainly not based on filter costs that's for sure.
My hot rod Cup uses the same paper filter set up and air box from the 997.2 Cup and sees no ill effects in terms of air flow either.
I cannot comment on induction noise since you literally cannot hear anything over the gearbox anyways.

There are plenty independent flow tests around comparing flow and filtration capabilities of different filter makes and/or material types in test conditions. Google should enable you to waste an afternoon reading up and informing yourself enough to make a decision on what works for you.

Edited by fioran0 on Thursday 9th April 05:23

[Axel987]

Been googling quite a bit now, and it seems like air filter is a bit of a waste really.... possibly even worse than stock....really insightful!

[PorscheGT4]

paper is great when new, they go off quite quick I find esp when Porsche only change them out at 20k, mine was blocked solid at 8k.

I would guess any tests or a race car would have a new filter in every race/test.

I have also seen tests where after a manifold change the filter DID add more power on a Cayman, so there must be some thing in it.
to quote a test dyno run

"This file though to reiterate was on 100 Oct and full exhaust with a filter. I typically do not recommend filters etc yet in this case as a race file it gained 7BHP"

what was also interesting was this "I found no gains with other options in hard parts"

As I said before some say the large TB already flows enough air for the 3.4cc, but with out a RR a vbox, a mechanic and a guy who can custom make a map plus £5k of parts to hard to do back to back on all this.

I took a view that the Manafold with a race file for 99 ron on vpower and the Vflow was where I going to go on costs vs BHP and "my" money for ME was better spent on RSS parts and cup'2s, engine mounts etc, and all those parts DO make the car feel tight and change of direction far better, I am yet to track it with my new front camber set up though, looking forward to that.

MY car has a lot more mid range punch but a drag race vs my R (stock) does not see much on WOT in a straight line, it just feels more alive and more torque/punch out the bends and of course very direct on steering and direction changes, and now enough camber not to kill tyres after 4 laps. I am done on my car for mods, just waiting for my GT4 to arrive and that will be interesting VS a stock R and a modded Spyder. I'll be keeping the R so can run all 3 side by side and will post a review, stock vs modded vs GT4, for those interested. (my mate should be getting a 981 SPyder also so with all 4 cars running that will be a great review, I hope I can get EVO to do a better one of all 4 than they did of my Spyder and R which was a bit disapoining in the last issue ;-( although both did get 5 stars and I got them to see what they were missing on the steering front lol )

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Thursday 9th April 09:07